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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 29 2012 10:35 GMT
#21
On July 29 2012 19:34 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote:
Are these qualifiers even legal ?
I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.

DId u miss WCS qualifiers where 7 or so people got seeded from Proleague results(withouit playing a single game), why post it now? WCG is way more fair, there are no auto-seeds.

well, ten people got seeded from GSL results without playing a single game :p haha
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BBMorti
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark242 Posts
July 29 2012 10:47 GMT
#22
On July 29 2012 19:34 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote:
Are these qualifiers even legal ?
I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.

DId u miss WCS qualifiers where 7 or so people got seeded from Proleague results(withouit playing a single game), why post it now? WCG is way more fair, there are no auto-seeds.

Facinating logic here.

I guess everything is fine as long as one can find a worse example of it somewhere else to put it up against. =P
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 29 2012 11:13 GMT
#23
On July 29 2012 19:28 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 19:25 Dodgin wrote:
Looks like Seed plays today, GO SEEDU!

On the topic of Kespa qualifiers for WCG, I think for now It's needed. But as soon as the current proleague season ends or a bit afterwards you will see this stuff go away.

It's not like the kespa players will be able to qualify for the WCG finals by completely avoiding the non-kespa players, unless I don't understand the format correctly they will play vs each other in the ro16.

august 1st, a few more days yet! haha

and yeah, kespa meets gom in RO16 OSL, RO32 WCG and RO32 WCS, it's not like they get a seed to the RO4.

They just have different qualifier brackets to get through. Relax everyone!


Yeah, they just had different qualifiers. Don't foreign tournaments have this all the time with NA, EU, KR qualifiers? This is so that you have a diverse group of players. It probably won't help sc2 popularity if the tournament was 1-2 Kespa pros vs GSL. And even the WCG itself is like this. If it were just about the top 32 or whatever players in the world, they need to give Korea like 25+ spots.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 11:40:42
July 29 2012 11:38 GMT
#24
On July 29 2012 19:47 BBMorti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 19:34 bgx wrote:
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote:
Are these qualifiers even legal ?
I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.

DId u miss WCS qualifiers where 7 or so people got seeded from Proleague results(withouit playing a single game), why post it now? WCG is way more fair, there are no auto-seeds.

Facinating logic here.

I guess everything is fine as long as one can find a worse example of it somewhere else to put it up against. =P

Things are always fascinating when you disregard facts and live in fantasy. WCS did worse job in bringing equality than WCG.
And the logic is simple, you judge the worse behavior first.
Stork[gm]
BBMorti
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark242 Posts
July 29 2012 11:41 GMT
#25
On July 29 2012 20:38 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 19:47 BBMorti wrote:
On July 29 2012 19:34 bgx wrote:
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote:
Are these qualifiers even legal ?
I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.

DId u miss WCS qualifiers where 7 or so people got seeded from Proleague results(withouit playing a single game), why post it now? WCG is way more fair, there are no auto-seeds.

Facinating logic here.

I guess everything is fine as long as one can find a worse example of it somewhere else to put it up against. =P

Things are always fascinating when you disregard facts and live in fantasy. WCS did worse job in bringing equality than WCG.

I will take your word for it, you seem to know your stuff about this type of viewing the world. Yes WCS did a worse job than WCG in that area, you said that one time already. Your point is still hilarious.
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
July 29 2012 12:32 GMT
#26
hopefully its mkp,mma,coca,life,creator,yonghwa,supernova and kingkong
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
mjxn
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia939 Posts
July 29 2012 12:56 GMT
#27
Group 12 and 14 could had used a bit better distribution of talent.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 13:01:00
July 29 2012 12:59 GMT
#28
On July 29 2012 20:41 BBMorti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 20:38 bgx wrote:
On July 29 2012 19:47 BBMorti wrote:
On July 29 2012 19:34 bgx wrote:
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote:
Are these qualifiers even legal ?
I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.

DId u miss WCS qualifiers where 7 or so people got seeded from Proleague results(withouit playing a single game), why post it now? WCG is way more fair, there are no auto-seeds.

Facinating logic here.

I guess everything is fine as long as one can find a worse example of it somewhere else to put it up against. =P

Things are always fascinating when you disregard facts and live in fantasy. WCS did worse job in bringing equality than WCG.

I will take your word for it, you seem to know your stuff about this type of viewing the world. Yes WCS did a worse job than WCG in that area, you said that one time already. Your point is still hilarious.

The reality is, there are no regulations, laws etc. Its only about PR and reputation.

Reputation is product of word of mouth/keyboard, what we were talking about are merely ethics / morality of competition.

Post above i first answered asked "if this is even legal?". Which is funny because everything is legal there depending on what organizers want or dont want. There are no regulations in this industry. Its only a battle of reputation, getting swings of viewers, setting trends on twitter, or getting massive upvotes on reddit. Thats the reality of current esports. No one was against that Soulkey got seconds chance which proved that he can't pass qualis. Naniwa got seeded into Code S after failing Code A but he got into Semis which suddenly makes it justified etc. I tell you again there are is no equality here. More users happy, better show = "ethics" of esports. The better show you present the better person you are.

Of course all of this was merely my observation, which may be true or untrue. Now getting back to this discussion, you want equality and viewing both WCG and WCS and dealing with them in a most fair way. Fine if it was regulated environment when both WCS and WCG could be viewed by internet community as equals, but its not, their view is already dependant on their business skills, PR skills. and this has nothing to do with facts nor with ethics. So what i said before was already pre calculated, that you should first judge the worst behavior and set a "trend" so than you can judge a better ones.


Stork[gm]
NuKE[vZ]
Profile Joined July 2012
United States249 Posts
July 29 2012 13:07 GMT
#29
Go Stork!!!
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 13:27:49
July 29 2012 13:19 GMT
#30
On July 29 2012 21:59 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 20:41 BBMorti wrote:
On July 29 2012 20:38 bgx wrote:
On July 29 2012 19:47 BBMorti wrote:
On July 29 2012 19:34 bgx wrote:
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote:
Are these qualifiers even legal ?
I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.

DId u miss WCS qualifiers where 7 or so people got seeded from Proleague results(withouit playing a single game), why post it now? WCG is way more fair, there are no auto-seeds.

Facinating logic here.

I guess everything is fine as long as one can find a worse example of it somewhere else to put it up against. =P

Things are always fascinating when you disregard facts and live in fantasy. WCS did worse job in bringing equality than WCG.

I will take your word for it, you seem to know your stuff about this type of viewing the world. Yes WCS did a worse job than WCG in that area, you said that one time already. Your point is still hilarious.

The reality is, there are no regulations, laws etc. Its only about PR and reputation.

Reputation is product of word of mouth/keyboard, what we were talking about are merely ethics / morality of competition.

Post above i first answered asked "if this is even legal?". Which is funny because everything is legal there depending on what organizers want or dont want. There are no regulations in this industry. Its only a battle of reputation, getting swings of viewers, setting trends on twitter, or getting massive upvotes on reddit. Thats the reality of current esports. No one was against that Soulkey got seconds chance which proved that he can't pass qualis. Naniwa got seeded into Code S after failing Code A but he got into Semis which suddenly makes it justified etc. I tell you again there are is no equality here. More users happy, better show = "ethics" of esports. The better show you present the better person you are.

Of course all of this was merely my observation, which may be true or untrue. Now getting back to this discussion, you want equality and viewing both WCG and WCS and dealing with them in a most fair way. Fine if it was regulated environment when both WCS and WCG could be viewed by internet community as equals, but its not, their view is already dependant on their business skills, PR skills. and this has nothing to do with facts nor with ethics. So what i said before was already pre calculated, that you should first judge the worst behavior and set a "trend" so than you can judge a better ones.




Real sports tournament organizations are used to give free pass to some successful amateurs from time to time.
Thus inviting Naniwa is not that chocking.

However, the WCG organization likes to pretend being the Olympic of e-Sports and I'm pretty sure they've signed a charter which clearly forbids such tribalistic and unjustifiable results-wise preferences.
Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 29 2012 13:31 GMT
#31
I went to Liquipedia to check and they actually did seed 8 players past the qualifiers last year as well, the top 8 of the GSL point rankings as of the Super Tournament (T)Mvp, (Z)NesTea. (P)MC, (T)MarineKing, (T)Polt, (Z)July, (T)NaDa, (P)San.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/World_Cyber_Games_2011/Qualifiers/Korea

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250912

So giving preference to results to get into the WCG nationals is nothing new.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 29 2012 13:50 GMT
#32
Let's roll Khan, would be so awesome to see Stork, Reality and Jangbi to make it through!!!
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 14:05:39
July 29 2012 14:02 GMT
#33
On July 29 2012 22:19 SiroKO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 21:59 bgx wrote:
On July 29 2012 20:41 BBMorti wrote:
On July 29 2012 20:38 bgx wrote:
On July 29 2012 19:47 BBMorti wrote:
On July 29 2012 19:34 bgx wrote:
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote:
Are these qualifiers even legal ?
I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.

DId u miss WCS qualifiers where 7 or so people got seeded from Proleague results(withouit playing a single game), why post it now? WCG is way more fair, there are no auto-seeds.

Facinating logic here.

I guess everything is fine as long as one can find a worse example of it somewhere else to put it up against. =P

Things are always fascinating when you disregard facts and live in fantasy. WCS did worse job in bringing equality than WCG.

I will take your word for it, you seem to know your stuff about this type of viewing the world. Yes WCS did a worse job than WCG in that area, you said that one time already. Your point is still hilarious.

The reality is, there are no regulations, laws etc. Its only about PR and reputation.

Reputation is product of word of mouth/keyboard, what we were talking about are merely ethics / morality of competition.

Post above i first answered asked "if this is even legal?". Which is funny because everything is legal there depending on what organizers want or dont want. There are no regulations in this industry. Its only a battle of reputation, getting swings of viewers, setting trends on twitter, or getting massive upvotes on reddit. Thats the reality of current esports. No one was against that Soulkey got seconds chance which proved that he can't pass qualis. Naniwa got seeded into Code S after failing Code A but he got into Semis which suddenly makes it justified etc. I tell you again there are is no equality here. More users happy, better show = "ethics" of esports. The better show you present the better person you are.

Of course all of this was merely my observation, which may be true or untrue. Now getting back to this discussion, you want equality and viewing both WCG and WCS and dealing with them in a most fair way. Fine if it was regulated environment when both WCS and WCG could be viewed by internet community as equals, but its not, their view is already dependant on their business skills, PR skills. and this has nothing to do with facts nor with ethics. So what i said before was already pre calculated, that you should first judge the worst behavior and set a "trend" so than you can judge a better ones.




Real sports tournament organizations are used to give free pass to some successful amateurs from time to time.
Thus inviting Naniwa is not that chocking.

However, the WCG organization likes to pretend being the Olympic of e-Sports and I'm pretty sure they've signed a charter which clearly forbids such tribalistic and unjustifiable results-wise preferences.


Unjustifiable preferences? There was a game switch which doesn't ever happen in terms of real sports, the field is already extremely slanted towards the GSL players having years longer practice time and coaching, if anything they should seed players like Flash who won the WCG Starcraft category in 2010. Your usage of vocabulary is just uncalled for, what part of having separate qualifiers for differing players is "unjustifiable", you have different qualifiers for people of different countries and resources, it's a fact that GSL and Kespa players are not in the same league or system. Also trust me a player like Stork is alot more "representative" of esports and would do alot more good for SC2 than alot of people who have potential to qualify from this bracket.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 29 2012 21:16 GMT
#34
oh relax
be happy that WCG is even running at all and giving the progamers who entertain us an opportunity to show us more games and win more money to support their careers
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
July 29 2012 22:05 GMT
#35
Stork and reality fighting
TheAnarchy
Profile Joined January 2010
Chile1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 22:37:12
July 29 2012 22:36 GMT
#36
The post arguing unjustice are clearly only trolling I demand a ban to all of them
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 01:16:51
July 31 2012 01:15 GMT
#37
still on tomorrow~ mkp creator gumi fighting!! (and failing mkp, leenock!!)
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Herry
Profile Joined March 2011
England681 Posts
July 31 2012 04:52 GMT
#38
Is this finished did i miss something?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 31 2012 04:55 GMT
#39
On July 31 2012 13:52 Herry wrote:
Is this finished did i miss something?

no, tomorrow.
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
July 31 2012 05:21 GMT
#40
On July 29 2012 23:02 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 22:19 SiroKO wrote:
On July 29 2012 21:59 bgx wrote:
On July 29 2012 20:41 BBMorti wrote:
On July 29 2012 20:38 bgx wrote:
On July 29 2012 19:47 BBMorti wrote:
On July 29 2012 19:34 bgx wrote:
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote:
Are these qualifiers even legal ?
I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.

DId u miss WCS qualifiers where 7 or so people got seeded from Proleague results(withouit playing a single game), why post it now? WCG is way more fair, there are no auto-seeds.

Facinating logic here.

I guess everything is fine as long as one can find a worse example of it somewhere else to put it up against. =P

Things are always fascinating when you disregard facts and live in fantasy. WCS did worse job in bringing equality than WCG.

I will take your word for it, you seem to know your stuff about this type of viewing the world. Yes WCS did a worse job than WCG in that area, you said that one time already. Your point is still hilarious.

The reality is, there are no regulations, laws etc. Its only about PR and reputation.

Reputation is product of word of mouth/keyboard, what we were talking about are merely ethics / morality of competition.

Post above i first answered asked "if this is even legal?". Which is funny because everything is legal there depending on what organizers want or dont want. There are no regulations in this industry. Its only a battle of reputation, getting swings of viewers, setting trends on twitter, or getting massive upvotes on reddit. Thats the reality of current esports. No one was against that Soulkey got seconds chance which proved that he can't pass qualis. Naniwa got seeded into Code S after failing Code A but he got into Semis which suddenly makes it justified etc. I tell you again there are is no equality here. More users happy, better show = "ethics" of esports. The better show you present the better person you are.

Of course all of this was merely my observation, which may be true or untrue. Now getting back to this discussion, you want equality and viewing both WCG and WCS and dealing with them in a most fair way. Fine if it was regulated environment when both WCS and WCG could be viewed by internet community as equals, but its not, their view is already dependant on their business skills, PR skills. and this has nothing to do with facts nor with ethics. So what i said before was already pre calculated, that you should first judge the worst behavior and set a "trend" so than you can judge a better ones.




Real sports tournament organizations are used to give free pass to some successful amateurs from time to time.
Thus inviting Naniwa is not that chocking.

However, the WCG organization likes to pretend being the Olympic of e-Sports and I'm pretty sure they've signed a charter which clearly forbids such tribalistic and unjustifiable results-wise preferences.


Unjustifiable preferences? There was a game switch which doesn't ever happen in terms of real sports, the field is already extremely slanted towards the GSL players having years longer practice time and coaching, if anything they should seed players like Flash who won the WCG Starcraft category in 2010. Your usage of vocabulary is just uncalled for, what part of having separate qualifiers for differing players is "unjustifiable", you have different qualifiers for people of different countries and resources, it's a fact that GSL and Kespa players are not in the same league or system. Also trust me a player like Stork is alot more "representative" of esports and would do alot more good for SC2 than alot of people who have potential to qualify from this bracket.


"Game switch" happens all the time in real sports. There's Olympic going on, so it's not that hard to actually look it up.
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