Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote: Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
I wouldn't get terribly worked up over anything WCG does.
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote: Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
I wouldn't get terribly worked up over anything WCG does.
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote: Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote: Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
I wouldn't get terribly worked up over anything WCG does.
Doesn't really answer his question does it?
I'm pretty sure his question was rhetorical as it's pretty obvious WCG can do whatever they want since it's their tournament.
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote: Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
I wouldn't get terribly worked up over anything WCG does.
Doesn't really answer his question does it?
I'm pretty sure his question was rhetorical as it's pretty obvious WCG can do whatever they want since it's their tournament.
This is not about what they can do, but why they do it.
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote: Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
I wouldn't get terribly worked up over anything WCG does.
Doesn't really answer his question does it?
I'm pretty sure his question was rhetorical as it's pretty obvious WCG can do whatever they want since it's their tournament.
This is not about what they can do, but why they do it.
To support the players/organisation that perpetuated eSports in Korea for the past ~10 years? (Notably the post-Savior period/2007 onwards)
There are places where invites are completely unjustified; this isn't one of them. You're being stupid.
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote: Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
I wouldn't get terribly worked up over anything WCG does.
Doesn't really answer his question does it?
I'm pretty sure his question was rhetorical as it's pretty obvious WCG can do whatever they want since it's their tournament.
This is not about what they can do, but why they do it.
To support the players/organisation that perpetuated eSports in Korea for the past ~10 years? (Notably the post-Savior period/2007 onwards)
There are places where invites are completely unjustified; this isn't one of them. You're being stupid.
Not much else to take from this than a click on the report button. Why even bother to post if this is the quality to bring?
On the topic of Kespa qualifiers for WCG, I think for now It's needed. But as soon as the current proleague season ends or a bit afterwards you will see this stuff go away.
It's not like the kespa players will be able to qualify for the WCG finals by completely avoiding the non-kespa players, unless I don't understand the format correctly they will play vs each other in the ro16. edit: round of 30 or " semifinal stage "
On July 29 2012 19:25 Dodgin wrote: Looks like Seed plays today, GO SEEDU!
On the topic of Kespa qualifiers for WCG, I think for now It's needed. But as soon as the current proleague season ends or a bit afterwards you will see this stuff go away.
It's not like the kespa players will be able to qualify for the WCG finals by completely avoiding the non-kespa players, unless I don't understand the format correctly they will play vs each other in the ro16.
august 1st, a few more days yet! haha
and yeah, kespa meets gom in RO16 OSL, RO32 WCG and RO32 WCS, it's not like they get a seed to the RO4.
They just have different qualifier brackets to get through. Relax everyone!
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote: Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
Wait, you realize that the kespa players above (reality and stork) still had to play in a qualifier to get to where they are right? They weren't exactly "seeded" they had to go through their own qualifier, just like the non-kespa players need to go through their own qualifier (except they have to do it all in one day) as well.
I fail to see you point here. What do you mean by, "favourable treatment"?
btw: puzzle, creator, yonghwa, alicia, and seed/brown fighting~~~~~ plz help me forget that squirtle didn't make it through by having all of you guys magically make ro16!
On July 29 2012 19:30 Dodgin wrote: Oh I just clicked on the groups in the OP and saw Seed in group 17 so I thought he was playing today, why would you lie to me opterown?
Wednesday, Aug 01 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (see top of OP :p) they take a 2 day break, presumably so OGN can cover SPL in the meantime for mon/tues as they normally do
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote: Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
DId u miss WCS qualifiers where 7 or so people got seeded from Proleague results(withouit playing a single game), why post it now? WCG is way more fair, there are no auto-seeds.
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote: Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
DId u miss WCS qualifiers where 7 or so people got seeded from Proleague results(withouit playing a single game), why post it now? WCG is way more fair, there are no auto-seeds.
well, ten people got seeded from GSL results without playing a single game :p haha
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote: Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
DId u miss WCS qualifiers where 7 or so people got seeded from Proleague results(withouit playing a single game), why post it now? WCG is way more fair, there are no auto-seeds.
Facinating logic here.
I guess everything is fine as long as one can find a worse example of it somewhere else to put it up against. =P
On July 29 2012 19:25 Dodgin wrote: Looks like Seed plays today, GO SEEDU!
On the topic of Kespa qualifiers for WCG, I think for now It's needed. But as soon as the current proleague season ends or a bit afterwards you will see this stuff go away.
It's not like the kespa players will be able to qualify for the WCG finals by completely avoiding the non-kespa players, unless I don't understand the format correctly they will play vs each other in the ro16.
august 1st, a few more days yet! haha
and yeah, kespa meets gom in RO16 OSL, RO32 WCG and RO32 WCS, it's not like they get a seed to the RO4.
They just have different qualifier brackets to get through. Relax everyone!
Yeah, they just had different qualifiers. Don't foreign tournaments have this all the time with NA, EU, KR qualifiers? This is so that you have a diverse group of players. It probably won't help sc2 popularity if the tournament was 1-2 Kespa pros vs GSL. And even the WCG itself is like this. If it were just about the top 32 or whatever players in the world, they need to give Korea like 25+ spots.
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote: Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
DId u miss WCS qualifiers where 7 or so people got seeded from Proleague results(withouit playing a single game), why post it now? WCG is way more fair, there are no auto-seeds.
Facinating logic here.
I guess everything is fine as long as one can find a worse example of it somewhere else to put it up against. =P
Things are always fascinating when you disregard facts and live in fantasy. WCS did worse job in bringing equality than WCG. And the logic is simple, you judge the worse behavior first.
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote: Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
DId u miss WCS qualifiers where 7 or so people got seeded from Proleague results(withouit playing a single game), why post it now? WCG is way more fair, there are no auto-seeds.
Facinating logic here.
I guess everything is fine as long as one can find a worse example of it somewhere else to put it up against. =P
Things are always fascinating when you disregard facts and live in fantasy. WCS did worse job in bringing equality than WCG.
I will take your word for it, you seem to know your stuff about this type of viewing the world. Yes WCS did a worse job than WCG in that area, you said that one time already. Your point is still hilarious.
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote: Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
DId u miss WCS qualifiers where 7 or so people got seeded from Proleague results(withouit playing a single game), why post it now? WCG is way more fair, there are no auto-seeds.
Facinating logic here.
I guess everything is fine as long as one can find a worse example of it somewhere else to put it up against. =P
Things are always fascinating when you disregard facts and live in fantasy. WCS did worse job in bringing equality than WCG.
I will take your word for it, you seem to know your stuff about this type of viewing the world. Yes WCS did a worse job than WCG in that area, you said that one time already. Your point is still hilarious.
The reality is, there are no regulations, laws etc. Its only about PR and reputation.
Reputation is product of word of mouth/keyboard, what we were talking about are merely ethics / morality of competition.
Post above i first answered asked "if this is even legal?". Which is funny because everything is legal there depending on what organizers want or dont want. There are no regulations in this industry. Its only a battle of reputation, getting swings of viewers, setting trends on twitter, or getting massive upvotes on reddit. Thats the reality of current esports. No one was against that Soulkey got seconds chance which proved that he can't pass qualis. Naniwa got seeded into Code S after failing Code A but he got into Semis which suddenly makes it justified etc. I tell you again there are is no equality here. More users happy, better show = "ethics" of esports. The better show you present the better person you are.
Of course all of this was merely my observation, which may be true or untrue. Now getting back to this discussion, you want equality and viewing both WCG and WCS and dealing with them in a most fair way. Fine if it was regulated environment when both WCS and WCG could be viewed by internet community as equals, but its not, their view is already dependant on their business skills, PR skills. and this has nothing to do with facts nor with ethics. So what i said before was already pre calculated, that you should first judge the worst behavior and set a "trend" so than you can judge a better ones.
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote: Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
DId u miss WCS qualifiers where 7 or so people got seeded from Proleague results(withouit playing a single game), why post it now? WCG is way more fair, there are no auto-seeds.
Facinating logic here.
I guess everything is fine as long as one can find a worse example of it somewhere else to put it up against. =P
Things are always fascinating when you disregard facts and live in fantasy. WCS did worse job in bringing equality than WCG.
I will take your word for it, you seem to know your stuff about this type of viewing the world. Yes WCS did a worse job than WCG in that area, you said that one time already. Your point is still hilarious.
The reality is, there are no regulations, laws etc. Its only about PR and reputation.
Reputation is product of word of mouth/keyboard, what we were talking about are merely ethics / morality of competition.
Post above i first answered asked "if this is even legal?". Which is funny because everything is legal there depending on what organizers want or dont want. There are no regulations in this industry. Its only a battle of reputation, getting swings of viewers, setting trends on twitter, or getting massive upvotes on reddit. Thats the reality of current esports. No one was against that Soulkey got seconds chance which proved that he can't pass qualis. Naniwa got seeded into Code S after failing Code A but he got into Semis which suddenly makes it justified etc. I tell you again there are is no equality here. More users happy, better show = "ethics" of esports. The better show you present the better person you are.
Of course all of this was merely my observation, which may be true or untrue. Now getting back to this discussion, you want equality and viewing both WCG and WCS and dealing with them in a most fair way. Fine if it was regulated environment when both WCS and WCG could be viewed by internet community as equals, but its not, their view is already dependant on their business skills, PR skills. and this has nothing to do with facts nor with ethics. So what i said before was already pre calculated, that you should first judge the worst behavior and set a "trend" so than you can judge a better ones.
Real sports tournament organizations are used to give free pass to some successful amateurs from time to time. Thus inviting Naniwa is not that chocking.
However, the WCG organization likes to pretend being the Olympic of e-Sports and I'm pretty sure they've signed a charter which clearly forbids such tribalistic and unjustifiable results-wise preferences.
I went to Liquipedia to check and they actually did seed 8 players past the qualifiers last year as well, the top 8 of the GSL point rankings as of the Super Tournament Mvp, NesTea. MC, MarineKing, Polt, July, NaDa, San.
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote: Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
DId u miss WCS qualifiers where 7 or so people got seeded from Proleague results(withouit playing a single game), why post it now? WCG is way more fair, there are no auto-seeds.
Facinating logic here.
I guess everything is fine as long as one can find a worse example of it somewhere else to put it up against. =P
Things are always fascinating when you disregard facts and live in fantasy. WCS did worse job in bringing equality than WCG.
I will take your word for it, you seem to know your stuff about this type of viewing the world. Yes WCS did a worse job than WCG in that area, you said that one time already. Your point is still hilarious.
The reality is, there are no regulations, laws etc. Its only about PR and reputation.
Reputation is product of word of mouth/keyboard, what we were talking about are merely ethics / morality of competition.
Post above i first answered asked "if this is even legal?". Which is funny because everything is legal there depending on what organizers want or dont want. There are no regulations in this industry. Its only a battle of reputation, getting swings of viewers, setting trends on twitter, or getting massive upvotes on reddit. Thats the reality of current esports. No one was against that Soulkey got seconds chance which proved that he can't pass qualis. Naniwa got seeded into Code S after failing Code A but he got into Semis which suddenly makes it justified etc. I tell you again there are is no equality here. More users happy, better show = "ethics" of esports. The better show you present the better person you are.
Of course all of this was merely my observation, which may be true or untrue. Now getting back to this discussion, you want equality and viewing both WCG and WCS and dealing with them in a most fair way. Fine if it was regulated environment when both WCS and WCG could be viewed by internet community as equals, but its not, their view is already dependant on their business skills, PR skills. and this has nothing to do with facts nor with ethics. So what i said before was already pre calculated, that you should first judge the worst behavior and set a "trend" so than you can judge a better ones.
Real sports tournament organizations are used to give free pass to some successful amateurs from time to time. Thus inviting Naniwa is not that chocking.
However, the WCG organization likes to pretend being the Olympic of e-Sports and I'm pretty sure they've signed a charter which clearly forbids such tribalistic and unjustifiable results-wise preferences.
Unjustifiable preferences? There was a game switch which doesn't ever happen in terms of real sports, the field is already extremely slanted towards the GSL players having years longer practice time and coaching, if anything they should seed players like Flash who won the WCG Starcraft category in 2010. Your usage of vocabulary is just uncalled for, what part of having separate qualifiers for differing players is "unjustifiable", you have different qualifiers for people of different countries and resources, it's a fact that GSL and Kespa players are not in the same league or system. Also trust me a player like Stork is alot more "representative" of esports and would do alot more good for SC2 than alot of people who have potential to qualify from this bracket.
oh relax be happy that WCG is even running at all and giving the progamers who entertain us an opportunity to show us more games and win more money to support their careers
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote: Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
DId u miss WCS qualifiers where 7 or so people got seeded from Proleague results(withouit playing a single game), why post it now? WCG is way more fair, there are no auto-seeds.
Facinating logic here.
I guess everything is fine as long as one can find a worse example of it somewhere else to put it up against. =P
Things are always fascinating when you disregard facts and live in fantasy. WCS did worse job in bringing equality than WCG.
I will take your word for it, you seem to know your stuff about this type of viewing the world. Yes WCS did a worse job than WCG in that area, you said that one time already. Your point is still hilarious.
The reality is, there are no regulations, laws etc. Its only about PR and reputation.
Reputation is product of word of mouth/keyboard, what we were talking about are merely ethics / morality of competition.
Post above i first answered asked "if this is even legal?". Which is funny because everything is legal there depending on what organizers want or dont want. There are no regulations in this industry. Its only a battle of reputation, getting swings of viewers, setting trends on twitter, or getting massive upvotes on reddit. Thats the reality of current esports. No one was against that Soulkey got seconds chance which proved that he can't pass qualis. Naniwa got seeded into Code S after failing Code A but he got into Semis which suddenly makes it justified etc. I tell you again there are is no equality here. More users happy, better show = "ethics" of esports. The better show you present the better person you are.
Of course all of this was merely my observation, which may be true or untrue. Now getting back to this discussion, you want equality and viewing both WCG and WCS and dealing with them in a most fair way. Fine if it was regulated environment when both WCS and WCG could be viewed by internet community as equals, but its not, their view is already dependant on their business skills, PR skills. and this has nothing to do with facts nor with ethics. So what i said before was already pre calculated, that you should first judge the worst behavior and set a "trend" so than you can judge a better ones.
Real sports tournament organizations are used to give free pass to some successful amateurs from time to time. Thus inviting Naniwa is not that chocking.
However, the WCG organization likes to pretend being the Olympic of e-Sports and I'm pretty sure they've signed a charter which clearly forbids such tribalistic and unjustifiable results-wise preferences.
Unjustifiable preferences? There was a game switch which doesn't ever happen in terms of real sports, the field is already extremely slanted towards the GSL players having years longer practice time and coaching, if anything they should seed players like Flash who won the WCG Starcraft category in 2010. Your usage of vocabulary is just uncalled for, what part of having separate qualifiers for differing players is "unjustifiable", you have different qualifiers for people of different countries and resources, it's a fact that GSL and Kespa players are not in the same league or system. Also trust me a player like Stork is alot more "representative" of esports and would do alot more good for SC2 than alot of people who have potential to qualify from this bracket.
"Game switch" happens all the time in real sports. There's Olympic going on, so it's not that hard to actually look it up.
go stork!! SONG BYUNG GOO ! SONG BYUNG GOO!! ... I haven't seen him play in SC2 yet but I really , really want to see his creative style move onto SC2. Gl hf !
Hmm, if I want MMA to advance, he'll probably be playing Gumiho or Seed in the playoffs. That's going to be tough, considering both (Seed and Gumiho) did extremely well in Busan...
Agh! Better not jinx it. Guess we'll have to see later today. Go MMA!!!
Any word on a broadcast for tonight? Is anybody able to access the OGN TV guide for tonight? I worry that we might have qualifiers, however, no broadcast/stream for it. My F5 key has been through enough in the last year. =(
On August 01 2012 09:47 oOOoOphidian wrote: I'll be streaming English commentary again tonight. Not sure how much they're planning to stream, but it'll probably be about 3 matches again.
GOGO! With twitch.tv/unofficialogn going down and the official ogn sc2 channel not streaming, you're my only source of OGN VODs!
On August 01 2012 09:27 OnFiRe888 wrote: Any word on a broadcast for tonight? Is anybody able to access the OGN TV guide for tonight? I worry that we might have qualifiers, however, no broadcast/stream for it. My F5 key has been through enough in the last year. =(
On August 01 2012 09:27 OnFiRe888 wrote: Any word on a broadcast for tonight? Is anybody able to access the OGN TV guide for tonight? I worry that we might have qualifiers, however, no broadcast/stream for it. My F5 key has been through enough in the last year. =(
On August 01 2012 09:27 OnFiRe888 wrote: Any word on a broadcast for tonight? Is anybody able to access the OGN TV guide for tonight? I worry that we might have qualifiers, however, no broadcast/stream for it. My F5 key has been through enough in the last year. =(
It is really too bad there's not a labeled time for a stream potentially going up. I was hoping to stream english commentary of my own. I'll just have to watch like a hawk I suppose.
On July 29 2012 19:08 SiroKO wrote: Are these qualifiers even legal ? I don't understand why a group of people (Kespa players) would get seeded and recieve such an absurdly favourable treatment considering their unexistant Starcraft 2 achievements.
Show some respect son, these are the best RTS players on the planet, even if they're new to SC2.
On August 01 2012 11:29 LighT. wrote: Wait I dont get it..how are you going to stream the games if it isnt on OGN or Gom?
Back in the old days of the GSL Opens, I'd run an "f5" stream during the prelims. The stream was just a place for people to chat while I played good music and f5ed various sources of results for the prelims. I haven't done this for almost two years now.
On August 01 2012 11:29 LighT. wrote: Wait I dont get it..how are you going to stream the games if it isnt on OGN or Gom?
Back in the old days of the GSL Opens, I'd run an "f5" stream during the prelims. The stream was just a place for people to chat while I played good music and f5ed various sources of results for the prelims. I haven't done this for almost two years now.
So are you [general, not specific you] allowed to stream random games listed under the WCG event listing to boost your viewer count? I feel like that would be against the TL streaming rules.
On August 01 2012 11:54 Chargelot wrote: So are you [general, not specific you] allowed to stream random games listed under the WCG event listing to boost your viewer count? I feel like that would be against the TL streaming rules.
On August 01 2012 12:09 JJH777 wrote: So will these replays be released? I really want to see Nestea vs Alive and Nestea vs Ryung (assuming they both win)
highly unlikely
On August 01 2012 12:09 Babru wrote: Where is stream?
none
On August 01 2012 12:08 mordk wrote: Why no streamu
i think they weren't meant to have a day 4 since the estars place was booked for the weekend only, so this is a quickfix haha
Did team IM just discover they are badass? They haven't represented poorly in anything all month between all the WCS/WCG qualifiers, OSL, GSL, IPL TAC3, etc.
I think IMhorror is the only one that needs to step up his game.
On August 01 2012 12:36 bittman wrote: First over Leenock and Yoda over Life?
Did team IM just discover they are badass? They haven't represented poorly in anything all month between all the WCS/WCG qualifiers, OSL, GSL, IPL TAC3, etc.
I think IMhorror is the only one that needs to step up his game.
On August 01 2012 12:36 bittman wrote: First over Leenock and Yoda over Life?
Did team IM just discover they are badass? They haven't represented poorly in anything all month between all the WCS/WCG qualifiers, OSL, GSL, IPL TAC3, etc.
I think IMhorror is the only one that needs to step up his game.
On August 01 2012 12:36 bittman wrote: First over Leenock and Yoda over Life?
Did team IM just discover they are badass? They haven't represented poorly in anything all month between all the WCS/WCG qualifiers, OSL, GSL, IPL TAC3, etc.
I think IMhorror is the only one that needs to step up his game.
horror qualified for WCS.
I think of the active members they have for sc2, the only ones who haven't really done anything noteworthy lately are True and Fenix.
On August 01 2012 12:33 Fionn wrote: Congratulations, Yoda.
You will be next season's Overhyped Royal Roader. You can join Parting, Squirtle and Symbol.
no!
Unlike other teams IM gets it done :p
...just not in gstl
Actually, IM got wrecked on the first day (LosirA, True, Ready, dreamertt, horror all lost their first matches, although only LosirA was really a favorite in his match). Probably too much partying with Seed the night before.
On August 01 2012 12:35 viasacra89 wrote: Why is Yoda so hyped? I don't see it.
He wins and he is solid.
He was the only player to go from Code B straight to Code S this season. Still have a couple other code B players who are still in the Up and Downs with a chance to go to Code S. Plus IMMVP said he was the best player in IM currently (and IM has MVP, Nestea, Seed...)
On August 01 2012 12:35 viasacra89 wrote: Why is Yoda so hyped? I don't see it.
He wins and he is solid.
He was the only player to go from Code B straight to Code S this season. Still have a couple other code B players who are still in the Up and Downs with a chance to go to Code S. Plus IMMVP said he was the best player in IM currently (and IM has MVP, Nestea, Seed...)
You know what I find interesting? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=353939 Yoda says that the build he did against Oz in code a was pretty much op and nobody ever beats him when he uses it. He also says that he does not have a lot of confidence going up against supernova, he pretty much went into the game thinking he was going to lose. I think MVP saying that yoda was the best player on IM was more to boost yoda's confidence than an actual fact. 0.o
On August 01 2012 11:54 Chargelot wrote: So are you [general, not specific you] allowed to stream random games listed under the WCG event listing to boost your viewer count? I feel like that would be against the TL streaming rules.
On August 01 2012 12:35 viasacra89 wrote: Why is Yoda so hyped? I don't see it.
He wins and he is solid.
He was the only player to go from Code B straight to Code S this season. Still have a couple other code B players who are still in the Up and Downs with a chance to go to Code S. Plus IMMVP said he was the best player in IM currently (and IM has MVP, Nestea, Seed...)
You know what I find interesting? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=353939 Yoda says that the build he did against Oz in code a was pretty much op and nobody ever beats him when he uses it. He also says that he does not have a lot of confidence going up against supernova, he pretty much went into the game thinking he was going to lose. I think MVP saying that yoda was the best player on IM was more to boost yoda's confidence than an actual fact. 0.o
And then he 2-0'd Supernova, who's been a Code S regular for over a year. I'm not saying he's the best player on IM, but it's not uncommon for Koreans to be humble.
On August 01 2012 12:35 viasacra89 wrote: Why is Yoda so hyped? I don't see it.
He wins and he is solid.
He was the only player to go from Code B straight to Code S this season. Still have a couple other code B players who are still in the Up and Downs with a chance to go to Code S. Plus IMMVP said he was the best player in IM currently (and IM has MVP, Nestea, Seed...)
You know what I find interesting? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=353939 Yoda says that the build he did against Oz in code a was pretty much op and nobody ever beats him when he uses it. He also says that he does not have a lot of confidence going up against supernova, he pretty much went into the game thinking he was going to lose. I think MVP saying that yoda was the best player on IM was more to boost yoda's confidence than an actual fact. 0.o
And then he 2-0'd Supernova, who's been a Code S regular for over a year. I'm not saying he's the best player on IM, but it's not uncommon for Koreans to be humble.
If you watched those games, Supernova 2-0ed himself, he did not play very well and as shown by tonight's results he it not at the same level he once was. Yoda isn't exactly a "humble" player also, I remember that previous time he was in code a (before this season), he mannered muled leenock many times in a match, but leenock still managed to knock him into code b.
On August 01 2012 12:35 viasacra89 wrote: Why is Yoda so hyped? I don't see it.
He wins and he is solid.
He was the only player to go from Code B straight to Code S this season. Still have a couple other code B players who are still in the Up and Downs with a chance to go to Code S. Plus IMMVP said he was the best player in IM currently (and IM has MVP, Nestea, Seed...)
You know what I find interesting? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=353939 Yoda says that the build he did against Oz in code a was pretty much op and nobody ever beats him when he uses it. He also says that he does not have a lot of confidence going up against supernova, he pretty much went into the game thinking he was going to lose. I think MVP saying that yoda was the best player on IM was more to boost yoda's confidence than an actual fact. 0.o
And then he 2-0'd Supernova, who's been a Code S regular for over a year. I'm not saying he's the best player on IM, but it's not uncommon for Koreans to be humble.
If you watched those games, Supernova 2-0ed himself, he did not play very well and as shown by tonight's results he it not at the same level he once was. Yoda isn't exactly a "humble" player also, I remember that previous time he was in code a (before this season), he mannered muled leenock many times in a match, but leenock still managed to knock him into code b.
lol, yoda 2-0 all his preliminaries last season and 2-0 all his code a matches too. boss
On August 01 2012 12:56 opterown wrote: happy 1-0 symbol YEAHHH
Symbol just can't win anymore. He had his Code S run and I believe he's lost like everything he's done since...? Even in GSTL he hasn't performed well.
On August 01 2012 12:56 opterown wrote: happy 1-0 symbol YEAHHH
Symbol just can't win anymore. He had his Code S run and I believe he's lost like everything he's done since...? Even in GSTL he hasn't performed well.
That is what happens when you mess with Seed. Look at Byun, MC...
On August 01 2012 12:56 opterown wrote: happy 1-0 symbol YEAHHH
Symbol just can't win anymore. He had his Code S run and I believe he's lost like everything he's done since...? Even in GSTL he hasn't performed well.
haha the reason i'm happy (hahaha geddit) that happy is beating symbol atm is because winner of them has to face mkp/first/bang, and symbol is not easy for mkp to beat lol
On August 01 2012 12:56 opterown wrote: happy 1-0 symbol YEAHHH
Symbol just can't win anymore. He had his Code S run and I believe he's lost like everything he's done since...? Even in GSTL he hasn't performed well.
When you start owning nerds left and right, the nerds fight back by meticulously studying your play-style and finding each and every weakness you have. That's why it's so hard to stay at the top, and it's why Flash's year+ run as best BW player is so amazing.
He hasn't gone as well lately as I thought he would. Always thought he was going to be the next staple IM player after Losira went down last year but he's still shakey all over Code A and S and in qualifiers.
On August 01 2012 13:30 Arceus wrote: I said bang bang, bangity bang, I said bang bang bang bang bangity bang
I almost hope he qualifies for the name alone. But even though I'm not a MKP fan it would be disappointing to see such a good player lose to someone yet to post impressive results.
On August 01 2012 12:56 opterown wrote: happy 1-0 symbol YEAHHH
Symbol just can't win anymore. He had his Code S run and I believe he's lost like everything he's done since...? Even in GSTL he hasn't performed well.
When you start owning nerds left and right, the nerds fight back by meticulously studying your play-style and finding each and every weakness you have. That's why it's so hard to stay at the top, and it's why Flash's year+ run as best BW player is so amazing.
This is why I feel it is extremely important for players not to fall into a 'play-style' trap, and instead focus on mechanics and a wide-knowledge of builds. The truly successful aren't just one or two trick ponies. This is why NaDa is the greatest RTS player to have ever graced our presence..who knows, could have been Flash if BW lasted longer.
Nice... I mean, he had a TvZ against a random and TvTs which he virtually can't lose except against 2-3 other top Terrans, so it's only normal. But still, gogo MKP :D
On August 01 2012 14:36 opterown wrote: creator 2-0 ryung symbol-mkp 1-1 iiiick
WAIIIIIIT A SECOND, LAST WEEK YOUR FAVORITE TEAM WAS FXO, AND NOW YOUR FAVORITE TEAM IS PRIME. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PULL HERE? >.<
In the past he has used the Prime icon but had Prime|FXO written in his sig. He was also the OP of the "why FXO will win the GSTL title" thread before the GSTL season started. Prime must be his favorite team but FXO most likely his 2nd favorite team with him changing his icon for the GSTL finals since he was rooting for FXO
On August 01 2012 14:36 opterown wrote: creator 2-0 ryung symbol-mkp 1-1 iiiick
WAIIIIIIT A SECOND, LAST WEEK YOUR FAVORITE TEAM WAS FXO, AND NOW YOUR FAVORITE TEAM IS PRIME. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PULL HERE? >.<
In the past he has used the Prime icon but had Prime|FXO written in his sig. He was also the OP of the "why FXO will win the GSTL title" thread before the GSTL season started. Prime must be his favorite team but FXO most likely his 2nd favorite team with him changing his icon for the GSTL finals since he was rooting for FXO
nah you gotta choose one team. like I only care about fantasy (maybe bisu/best if they play well) when by all means I should be a CJ fan overall, but oh well SKT T1 4LYFE.
mma-hack for one group finals asd-yonghwa for another gumiho in one finals, seed 1-1 punisher for other spot crank is 1-1 hyun atm, creator-alive not started
On August 01 2012 15:23 opterown wrote: mma-hack for one group finals asd-yonghwa for another gumiho in one finals, seed 1-1 punisher for other spot crank is 1-1 hyun atm, creator-alive not started
Wow, if Hyun doesn't make it, we will only have 1 zerg. And more surprisingly, it is MVPMonster.
On August 01 2012 15:29 seb202 wrote: is it confirmed no stream?
There is no stream for now. Not sure whether they will stream some of the playoff games later (they did 1-2 hour broadcast on the weekend but since estars is finished, might not have that today).
On August 01 2012 15:33 vthree wrote: Hyun 2-1 Crank
Seed 2-1 Punisher
So
Hyun/(Creator/Alive) vs Stork
MMA/Hack vs Seed/Gumiho
Yonghwa/asd vs Reality
These will be the final 3 qualifier spots.
MMA/Hack vs Seed/Gumiho appears to be leagues above Yongwha/asd vs Reality
Like all four of that group are Code S quality whilst the remainder are CodeB. Not to say Yongwha, asd or Reality are bad, just odd we ended up with such a spread =\
On August 01 2012 15:33 vthree wrote: Hyun 2-1 Crank
Seed 2-1 Punisher
So
Hyun/(Creator/Alive) vs Stork
MMA/Hack vs Seed/Gumiho
Yonghwa/asd vs Reality
These will be the final 3 qualifier spots.
MMA/Hack vs Seed/Gumiho appears to be leagues above Yongwha/asd vs Reality
Like all four of that group are Code S quality whilst the remainder are CodeB. Not to say Yongwha, asd or Reality are bad, just odd we ended up with such a spread =\
Life ain't fair buddy. Just look at yonghwa and seed, code b all of 2011, one of them is GSL champ, the other is 2nd at HSC. One is still in code b.
On August 01 2012 15:33 vthree wrote: Hyun 2-1 Crank
Seed 2-1 Punisher
So
Hyun/(Creator/Alive) vs Stork
MMA/Hack vs Seed/Gumiho
Yonghwa/asd vs Reality
These will be the final 3 qualifier spots.
MMA/Hack vs Seed/Gumiho appears to be leagues above Yongwha/asd vs Reality
Like all four of that group are Code S quality whilst the remainder are CodeB. Not to say Yongwha, asd or Reality are bad, just odd we ended up with such a spread =\
The scary thing is, Hero was actually in the MMA/Hack group but didn't get to play because he is on way to ROG.
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
balance is at best even for terran. haha if that's terran favoured, so be it.
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
It's as good it gets for Terran. Strelok would know.
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
balance is at best even for terran. haha if that's terran favoured, so be it.
It's not really surprising if you consider Hack's and MMA's recent results. Hack loves these types of tournaments and MMA's TvT has looked average lately.
On August 01 2012 16:30 opterown wrote: argh i give up trying to interpret bnet sooo confusing zzz play the right maps/right order/no practice games plz lololol
would be hilarious if it's stuffing up cos the patch just hit or something haha
Patch won't be till tomorrow unless they've changed things.
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
On August 01 2012 16:30 opterown wrote: argh i give up trying to interpret bnet sooo confusing zzz play the right maps/right order/no practice games plz lololol
would be hilarious if it's stuffing up cos the patch just hit or something haha
Patch won't be till tomorrow unless they've changed things.
WCG KR's lack of stream is a really big fail =/
Not many countries stream their WCG prelims... I know it seems like a huge tournament because of the players involved but they are still the pre-lims... As a fan, of course we would like to see the games since so many big names are involved. But this is like the Code B qualifiers, they probably have enough trouble keeping up with the matches and don't want to have to arrange a stream. I think we got streams for a few hours on the weekend because they were part of estars and were actually playing on stage and in booths.
On August 01 2012 16:30 opterown wrote: argh i give up trying to interpret bnet sooo confusing zzz play the right maps/right order/no practice games plz lololol
would be hilarious if it's stuffing up cos the patch just hit or something haha
Patch won't be till tomorrow unless they've changed things.
WCG KR's lack of stream is a really big fail =/
Not many countries stream their WCG prelims... I know it seems like a huge tournament because of the players involved but they are still the pre-lims... As a fan, of course we would like to see the games since so many big names are involved. But this is like the Code B qualifiers, they probably have enough trouble keeping up with the matches and don't want to have to arrange a stream. I think we got streams for a few hours on the weekend because they were part of estars and were actually playing on stage and in booths.
pretty much this, yeah. i don't think we even had an LR thread for prelim stuff before i made a bunch of them, lol.
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
Favouring terran to me means that they have the advantage over the other races on those maps. They're obviously good maps for terran but Terran isn't favoured on them according to TLPD stats Entombed is heavily in favour of Zerg.
On August 01 2012 16:30 opterown wrote: argh i give up trying to interpret bnet sooo confusing zzz play the right maps/right order/no practice games plz lololol
would be hilarious if it's stuffing up cos the patch just hit or something haha
Patch won't be till tomorrow unless they've changed things.
WCG KR's lack of stream is a really big fail =/
Not many countries stream their WCG prelims... I know it seems like a huge tournament because of the players involved but they are still the pre-lims... As a fan, of course we would like to see the games since so many big names are involved. But this is like the Code B qualifiers, they probably have enough trouble keeping up with the matches and don't want to have to arrange a stream. I think we got streams for a few hours on the weekend because they were part of estars and were actually playing on stage and in booths.
pretty much this, yeah. i don't think we even had an LR thread for prelim stuff before i made a bunch of them, lol.
I still think they should take any opportunity they can get to drum up some interest., They're already going to get their ass kicked by the WCS. Oh well, as long as they broadcast the main tournament properly ><
On August 01 2012 16:30 opterown wrote: argh i give up trying to interpret bnet sooo confusing zzz play the right maps/right order/no practice games plz lololol
would be hilarious if it's stuffing up cos the patch just hit or something haha
Patch won't be till tomorrow unless they've changed things.
WCG KR's lack of stream is a really big fail =/
Not many countries stream their WCG prelims... I know it seems like a huge tournament because of the players involved but they are still the pre-lims... As a fan, of course we would like to see the games since so many big names are involved. But this is like the Code B qualifiers, they probably have enough trouble keeping up with the matches and don't want to have to arrange a stream. I think we got streams for a few hours on the weekend because they were part of estars and were actually playing on stage and in booths.
pretty much this, yeah. i don't think we even had an LR thread for prelim stuff before i made a bunch of them, lol.
I still think they should take any opportunity they can get to drum up some interest., They're already going to get their ass kicked by the WCS. Oh well, as long as they broadcast the main tournament properly ><
If by properly you mean 240p with a weird aspect ratio than yea they'll probably get it done right ^^ I cant remember how the coverage was last year for the korean tournament. Did the stream all of the games or just the very end?
On August 01 2012 16:30 opterown wrote: argh i give up trying to interpret bnet sooo confusing zzz play the right maps/right order/no practice games plz lololol
would be hilarious if it's stuffing up cos the patch just hit or something haha
Patch won't be till tomorrow unless they've changed things.
WCG KR's lack of stream is a really big fail =/
Not many countries stream their WCG prelims... I know it seems like a huge tournament because of the players involved but they are still the pre-lims... As a fan, of course we would like to see the games since so many big names are involved. But this is like the Code B qualifiers, they probably have enough trouble keeping up with the matches and don't want to have to arrange a stream. I think we got streams for a few hours on the weekend because they were part of estars and were actually playing on stage and in booths.
pretty much this, yeah. i don't think we even had an LR thread for prelim stuff before i made a bunch of them, lol.
I still think they should take any opportunity they can get to drum up some interest., They're already going to get their ass kicked by the WCS. Oh well, as long as they broadcast the main tournament properly ><
Heh, it is the WCG. They kind of march to their own drum. I think SC2 was only confirmed really late and there was huge confusion regarding the schedule (MC thought he might need to skip it, JYP didn't get to reschedule eventhough he was playing in GSTL...)
On August 01 2012 16:30 opterown wrote: argh i give up trying to interpret bnet sooo confusing zzz play the right maps/right order/no practice games plz lololol
would be hilarious if it's stuffing up cos the patch just hit or something haha
Patch won't be till tomorrow unless they've changed things.
WCG KR's lack of stream is a really big fail =/
Not many countries stream their WCG prelims... I know it seems like a huge tournament because of the players involved but they are still the pre-lims... As a fan, of course we would like to see the games since so many big names are involved. But this is like the Code B qualifiers, they probably have enough trouble keeping up with the matches and don't want to have to arrange a stream. I think we got streams for a few hours on the weekend because they were part of estars and were actually playing on stage and in booths.
pretty much this, yeah. i don't think we even had an LR thread for prelim stuff before i made a bunch of them, lol.
I still think they should take any opportunity they can get to drum up some interest., They're already going to get their ass kicked by the WCS. Oh well, as long as they broadcast the main tournament properly ><
If by properly you mean 240p with a weird aspect ratio than yea they'll probably get it done right ^^ I cant remember how the coverage was last year for the korean tournament. Did the stream all of the games or just the very end?
The format was slightly different last year. They had 24 qualifiers + 8 seeds go into ro32 ODT(Bo1). The 16 survivors were then split into 4 groups of 4 and played round robin (with tiebreakers) with top 2 moving on. Those then played in single elim playoff (Bo3). Everything from Ro32 and onwards were broadcasted.
This year, due to many more tournaments (OSL, WCS, foreign events), they are going straight to Ro16 from these qualifiers. Not sure exactly how they will proceed from there.
On August 01 2012 16:30 opterown wrote: argh i give up trying to interpret bnet sooo confusing zzz play the right maps/right order/no practice games plz lololol
would be hilarious if it's stuffing up cos the patch just hit or something haha
Patch won't be till tomorrow unless they've changed things.
WCG KR's lack of stream is a really big fail =/
Not many countries stream their WCG prelims... I know it seems like a huge tournament because of the players involved but they are still the pre-lims... As a fan, of course we would like to see the games since so many big names are involved. But this is like the Code B qualifiers, they probably have enough trouble keeping up with the matches and don't want to have to arrange a stream. I think we got streams for a few hours on the weekend because they were part of estars and were actually playing on stage and in booths.
pretty much this, yeah. i don't think we even had an LR thread for prelim stuff before i made a bunch of them, lol.
I still think they should take any opportunity they can get to drum up some interest., They're already going to get their ass kicked by the WCS. Oh well, as long as they broadcast the main tournament properly ><
If by properly you mean 240p with a weird aspect ratio than yea they'll probably get it done right ^^ I cant remember how the coverage was last year for the korean tournament. Did the stream all of the games or just the very end?
Last year OGN broadcast all the main tournament games.
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
op updated and what the hell are creator/alive/hyun/stork doing???
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
Likely the number of Terrans qualifying. Ironically, it is the same metric As win rate in the long run. Higher win rate = making it further into tournaments.
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
op updated
and what the hell are creator/alive/hyun/stork doing???
Creator and alive playing the most epic long PvT of all time???
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
Likely the number of Terrans qualifying. Ironically, it is the same metric As win rate in the long run. Higher win rate = making it further into tournaments.
the maps today are the same maps used in OSL quals not so long ago, where 2 terrans advanced there out of 12. *shrug
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
op updated
and what the hell are creator/alive/hyun/stork doing???
Creator and alive playing the most epic long PvT of all time???
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
Likely the number of Terrans qualifying. Ironically, it is the same metric As win rate in the long run. Higher win rate = making it further into tournaments.
the maps today are the same maps used in OSL quals not so long ago, where 2 terrans advanced there out of 12. *shrug
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
op updated
and what the hell are creator/alive/hyun/stork doing???
Creator and alive playing the most epic long PvT of all time???
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
op updated
and what the hell are creator/alive/hyun/stork doing???
Creator and alive playing the most epic long PvT of all time???
floated buildings with resources vs no nexus no probe no resources imo
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
Likely the number of Terrans qualifying. Ironically, it is the same metric As win rate in the long run. Higher win rate = making it further into tournaments.
the maps today are the same maps used in OSL quals not so long ago, where 2 terrans advanced there out of 12. *shrug
On August 01 2012 18:48 vthree wrote:
On August 01 2012 18:41 opterown wrote:
On August 01 2012 17:47 NHY wrote:
On August 01 2012 16:32 vthree wrote:
On August 01 2012 16:18 NHY wrote:
On August 01 2012 16:15 opterown wrote:
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
op updated
and what the hell are creator/alive/hyun/stork doing???
Creator and alive playing the most epic long PvT of all time???
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
op updated
and what the hell are creator/alive/hyun/stork doing???
Creator and alive playing the most epic long PvT of all time???
floated buildings with resources vs no nexus no probe no resources imo
such an epic basetrade that they've both played about 10 maps each with no reported winner lolol
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
op updated
and what the hell are creator/alive/hyun/stork doing???
Creator and alive playing the most epic long PvT of all time???
floated buildings with resources vs no nexus no probe no resources imo
such an epic basetrade that they've both played about 10 maps each with no reported winner lolol
maybe its just not reported and they already ended their matches and are just laddering now >_>
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
op updated
and what the hell are creator/alive/hyun/stork doing???
Creator and alive playing the most epic long PvT of all time???
floated buildings with resources vs no nexus no probe no resources imo
such an epic basetrade that they've both played about 10 maps each with no reported winner lolol
maybe its just not reported and they already ended their matches and are just laddering now >_>
lol pretty sure it would have been reported by now, and the maps they're playing on are still the maps for the qualifier, haha plus hyun has not played any matches with either of them afaik.
On August 01 2012 21:03 Diavlo wrote: WTF. TvZ stats: non kespa players: 24W, 9L 72.72% winrate kespa players: 12W, 6L 66.66% winrate
Overall: 36W, 15L, 70.59% winrate
Terran have picked-up the pace pretty quick.
We saw Zerg players become way overconfident in the matchup lately. Remember the Hyun vs Major series @ TSL4! It seems that most Zerg players felt kinda invulnerable in the matchup and started playing very sloppy... Now that they are beaten, they will start playing carefully again and things will normalize...
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
Likely the number of Terrans qualifying. Ironically, it is the same metric As win rate in the long run. Higher win rate = making it further into tournaments.
Sorry to disappoint, but I didn't just take a look at the qualifier results and decided that mappool favors terran.
There are so many contributing variables to an outcome of a SC2 match besides map&race. Even if there weren't, you'd need hundreds of data points to make any meaningful conclusion. For instance, you need more than 40-60 split for 100 data points to use it as a strong evidence that a coin toss isn't 50-50 with a fair degree of certainty.
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
Likely the number of Terrans qualifying. Ironically, it is the same metric As win rate in the long run. Higher win rate = making it further into tournaments.
Sorry to disappoint, but I didn't just take a look at the qualifier results and decided that mappool favors terran.
There are so many contributing variables to an outcome of a SC2 match besides map&race. Even if there weren't, you'd need hundreds of data points to make any meaningful conclusion. For instance, you need more than 40-60 split for 100 data points to use it as a strong evidence that a coin toss isn't 50-50 with a fair degree of certainty.
ohana: TvZ: 105-101 (51%) PvT: 92-90 (50.5%)
antiga: TvZ: 362-354 (50.6%) PvT: 297-296 (50.1%)
entombed: TvZ: 135-166 (44.9%) PvT: 218-236 (48%)
is this enough? :D none of this looks particularly terran favoured to me. they all seem quite fair, save for entombed TvZ (favoured for zerg). even the much vaunted terran shipyard is barely above 50% (and when you consider the historical terran dominance, the fact that zerg has pulled it even over just two months shows that terrans aren't doing so great on antiga - the last month's worth of antiga tvz)
how else would you decide if this map pool was terran favoured?
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
Likely the number of Terrans qualifying. Ironically, it is the same metric As win rate in the long run. Higher win rate = making it further into tournaments.
Sorry to disappoint, but I didn't just take a look at the qualifier results and decided that mappool favors terran.
There are so many contributing variables to an outcome of a SC2 match besides map&race. Even if there weren't, you'd need hundreds of data points to make any meaningful conclusion. For instance, you need more than 40-60 split for 100 data points to use it as a strong evidence that a coin toss isn't 50-50 with a fair degree of certainty.
ohana: TvZ: 105-101 (51%) PvT: 92-90 (50.5%)
antiga: TvZ: 362-354 (50.6%) PvT: 297-296 (50.1%)
entombed: TvZ: 135-166 (44.9%) PvT: 218-236 (48%)
is this enough? :D none of this looks particularly terran favoured to me. they all seem quite fair, save for entombed TvZ (favoured for zerg). even the much vaunted terran shipyard is barely above 50% (and when you consider the historical terran dominance, the fact that zerg has pulled it even over just two months shows that terrans aren't doing so great on antiga - the last month's worth of antiga tvz)
how else would you decide if this map pool was terran favoured?
Look before the Queen patch. For the two months where they have to change there meta game. If you do you probably see more Terran Favored stats. Queen patch did a huge toll to changing the TvZ stats. Which does effect the stats more then anything. Now that Terran are used to playing the new meta. The stats go back to what they used to. Honestly just want to see some great matches. What makes me sad though about this tournament now only 2 Zerg made it through.
This isn't for balance stats that I am trying to provide. Just trying to make a point about the maps they picked. DRG has explained that the maps picked weren't very good map selection.
WCG Stats:
Non-KeSPA Qualifiers ZvT 30-42
Semifinal Stage 2-10
By the way in the Semifinal stage if they played against a Terran they lost. The two zerg that made it out of Semifinal Stage were both playing against protoss.
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
Likely the number of Terrans qualifying. Ironically, it is the same metric As win rate in the long run. Higher win rate = making it further into tournaments.
Sorry to disappoint, but I didn't just take a look at the qualifier results and decided that mappool favors terran.
There are so many contributing variables to an outcome of a SC2 match besides map&race. Even if there weren't, you'd need hundreds of data points to make any meaningful conclusion. For instance, you need more than 40-60 split for 100 data points to use it as a strong evidence that a coin toss isn't 50-50 with a fair degree of certainty.
ohana: TvZ: 105-101 (51%) PvT: 92-90 (50.5%)
antiga: TvZ: 362-354 (50.6%) PvT: 297-296 (50.1%)
entombed: TvZ: 135-166 (44.9%) PvT: 218-236 (48%)
is this enough? :D none of this looks particularly terran favoured to me. they all seem quite fair, save for entombed TvZ (favoured for zerg). even the much vaunted terran shipyard is barely above 50% (and when you consider the historical terran dominance, the fact that zerg has pulled it even over just two months shows that terrans aren't doing so great on antiga - the last month's worth of antiga tvz)
how else would you decide if this map pool was terran favoured?
Look before the Queen patch. For the two months where they have to change there meta game. If you do you probably see more Terran Favored stats. Queen patch did a huge toll to changing the TvZ stats. Which does effect the stats more then anything. Now that Terran are used to playing the new meta. The stats go back to what they used to. Honestly just want to see some great matches. What makes me sad though about this tournament now only 2 Zerg made it through.
And once Zergs adept to this new meta and create a new new meta, they will be as dominate as right after patch...
On August 01 2012 16:15 opterown wrote: [quote] mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
Likely the number of Terrans qualifying. Ironically, it is the same metric As win rate in the long run. Higher win rate = making it further into tournaments.
Sorry to disappoint, but I didn't just take a look at the qualifier results and decided that mappool favors terran.
There are so many contributing variables to an outcome of a SC2 match besides map&race. Even if there weren't, you'd need hundreds of data points to make any meaningful conclusion. For instance, you need more than 40-60 split for 100 data points to use it as a strong evidence that a coin toss isn't 50-50 with a fair degree of certainty.
ohana: TvZ: 105-101 (51%) PvT: 92-90 (50.5%)
antiga: TvZ: 362-354 (50.6%) PvT: 297-296 (50.1%)
entombed: TvZ: 135-166 (44.9%) PvT: 218-236 (48%)
is this enough? :D none of this looks particularly terran favoured to me. they all seem quite fair, save for entombed TvZ (favoured for zerg). even the much vaunted terran shipyard is barely above 50% (and when you consider the historical terran dominance, the fact that zerg has pulled it even over just two months shows that terrans aren't doing so great on antiga - the last month's worth of antiga tvz)
how else would you decide if this map pool was terran favoured?
Look before the Queen patch. For the two months where they have to change there meta game. If you do you probably see more Terran Favored stats. Queen patch did a huge toll to changing the TvZ stats. Which does effect the stats more then anything. Now that Terran are used to playing the new meta. The stats go back to what they used to. Honestly just want to see some great matches. What makes me sad though about this tournament now only 2 Zerg made it through.
And once Zergs adept to this new meta and create a new new meta, they will be as dominate as right after patch...
With this map pool you can't say that Terran isn't dominating with a commanding 9 out of 16 players. I am not saying it is balance issue at all, just the maps they picked. There is a reason why there is only 2 out of 16 players being Zerg. I just wished they picked better maps.
On August 01 2012 16:14 Strelok wrote: Mappool favours terran hugely here. And by the way - any chance to watch vods from these games? Can't find anything...
mappool does not favour terran, and no vods since no stream
They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
Likely the number of Terrans qualifying. Ironically, it is the same metric As win rate in the long run. Higher win rate = making it further into tournaments.
Sorry to disappoint, but I didn't just take a look at the qualifier results and decided that mappool favors terran.
There are so many contributing variables to an outcome of a SC2 match besides map&race. Even if there weren't, you'd need hundreds of data points to make any meaningful conclusion. For instance, you need more than 40-60 split for 100 data points to use it as a strong evidence that a coin toss isn't 50-50 with a fair degree of certainty.
lol, that is the definition of statistics? Of course, there are many variables to a SC2. But say Nestea had a 80% ZvZ winrate over 30 matches. You would say he was dominate in this matchup. You could technically argue he only played bad zergs or for some reason, the zergs just derp when facing Nestea.
I know the statistics are not the 'optimal' factor when looking at balance. Only problem is, all the other methods are WORSE. I don't know how other determine map balance, but many sight specific games to make their arguement which is even WORSE then sighting stats. Some posters will claim that Atlantis Spaceship is not bad for terran since Gumiho showed that you can triple expand off 1 rax to counter zerg. I know a sample size of 100 is not optimal but it is better than a sample size of ONE.
On August 01 2012 16:18 NHY wrote: [quote] They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
Likely the number of Terrans qualifying. Ironically, it is the same metric As win rate in the long run. Higher win rate = making it further into tournaments.
Sorry to disappoint, but I didn't just take a look at the qualifier results and decided that mappool favors terran.
There are so many contributing variables to an outcome of a SC2 match besides map&race. Even if there weren't, you'd need hundreds of data points to make any meaningful conclusion. For instance, you need more than 40-60 split for 100 data points to use it as a strong evidence that a coin toss isn't 50-50 with a fair degree of certainty.
ohana: TvZ: 105-101 (51%) PvT: 92-90 (50.5%)
antiga: TvZ: 362-354 (50.6%) PvT: 297-296 (50.1%)
entombed: TvZ: 135-166 (44.9%) PvT: 218-236 (48%)
is this enough? :D none of this looks particularly terran favoured to me. they all seem quite fair, save for entombed TvZ (favoured for zerg). even the much vaunted terran shipyard is barely above 50% (and when you consider the historical terran dominance, the fact that zerg has pulled it even over just two months shows that terrans aren't doing so great on antiga - the last month's worth of antiga tvz)
how else would you decide if this map pool was terran favoured?
Look before the Queen patch. For the two months where they have to change there meta game. If you do you probably see more Terran Favored stats. Queen patch did a huge toll to changing the TvZ stats. Which does effect the stats more then anything. Now that Terran are used to playing the new meta. The stats go back to what they used to. Honestly just want to see some great matches. What makes me sad though about this tournament now only 2 Zerg made it through.
And once Zergs adept to this new meta and create a new new meta, they will be as dominate as right after patch...
With this map pool you can't say that Terran isn't dominating with a commanding 9 out of 16 players. I am not saying it is balance issue at all, just the maps they picked. There is a reason why there is only 2 out of 16 players being Zerg. I just wished they picked better maps.
So you feel that using player advancement in Bo3 single elim format is valid while overall win rate is not?
And 'better' maps would be Atlantis Spaceship. Metropolis, Emtombed?
So,
IM protoss advances but is not Seed ST terran advances but is not Bomber TSL zerg advances but is not Symbol MVP zerg advances but is not DRG
This just to show how huge the depth of talent in Korea right now. And this is before all the Kespa players have caught up.
On August 02 2012 02:05 ragz_gt wrote: Really, I'm hurting vs Z on ladder as much as anyone, but let's not turn every thread into balance please...
I would say that ZvT balance issues only exist on sub pro levels. Terran units are fairly versatile and with godly micro they can really start to shine which is why at the GSL code S levels these terrans adjusted fairly quickly and are startign to make zerg (and protoss) look silly, once more, with their unit control while macroing never ending streams of terran units. But once you come down (even lower code A) you start to see zerg really tear through terran.
On August 02 2012 01:54 Coolness53 wrote: This isn't for balance stats that I am trying to provide. Just trying to make a point about the maps they picked. DRG has explained that the maps picked weren't very good map selection.
WCG Stats:
Non-KeSPA Qualifiers ZvT 30-42
Semifinal Stage 2-10
By the way in the Semifinal stage if they played against a Terran they lost. The two zerg that made it out of Semifinal Stage were both playing against protoss.
In total ZvT = 32-52.
DRG is zerg, of course he will prefer maps like metropolis and atlantis spaceship over antiga, lol.
On August 01 2012 16:18 NHY wrote: [quote] They do favor terran. These are probably 3 best terran maps.
We already went through the korean stats for these maps and they are actually pretty balanced in terms of win rate (slightly toss favor with terran in the middle and zerg least favor) but the difference is within 1-2% if you add up all 3 maps.
And Cloud Kingdom is much better than Entombed for terran. Anyways, they are much better than Atlantis and Metropolis in terms of balance.
Overall winrate stat is as useful as bnet poll on balance.
then by what metric are you saying these to be terran favoured?
Likely the number of Terrans qualifying. Ironically, it is the same metric As win rate in the long run. Higher win rate = making it further into tournaments.
Sorry to disappoint, but I didn't just take a look at the qualifier results and decided that mappool favors terran.
There are so many contributing variables to an outcome of a SC2 match besides map&race. Even if there weren't, you'd need hundreds of data points to make any meaningful conclusion. For instance, you need more than 40-60 split for 100 data points to use it as a strong evidence that a coin toss isn't 50-50 with a fair degree of certainty.
ohana: TvZ: 105-101 (51%) PvT: 92-90 (50.5%)
antiga: TvZ: 362-354 (50.6%) PvT: 297-296 (50.1%)
entombed: TvZ: 135-166 (44.9%) PvT: 218-236 (48%)
is this enough? :D none of this looks particularly terran favoured to me. they all seem quite fair, save for entombed TvZ (favoured for zerg). even the much vaunted terran shipyard is barely above 50% (and when you consider the historical terran dominance, the fact that zerg has pulled it even over just two months shows that terrans aren't doing so great on antiga - the last month's worth of antiga tvz)
how else would you decide if this map pool was terran favoured?
Look before the Queen patch. For the two months where they have to change there meta game. If you do you probably see more Terran Favored stats. Queen patch did a huge toll to changing the TvZ stats. Which does effect the stats more then anything. Now that Terran are used to playing the new meta. The stats go back to what they used to. Honestly just want to see some great matches. What makes me sad though about this tournament now only 2 Zerg made it through.
And once Zergs adept to this new meta and create a new new meta, they will be as dominate as right after patch...
With this map pool you can't say that Terran isn't dominating with a commanding 9 out of 16 players. I am not saying it is balance issue at all, just the maps they picked. There is a reason why there is only 2 out of 16 players being Zerg. I just wished they picked better maps.
also if you look at OSL qualifiers, 2 terrans advanced out of 12, and only because they avoided zergs. so this can be seen as statistical variance, mmm. these things happen every now and then.
On August 02 2012 00:13 ragz_gt wrote: Is there any interviews for this? Anyone on it? O.o
there are interviews :D not sure if translated yet
On August 02 2012 04:35 ZerphyR wrote: Are the replays gonna be released?
On August 02 2012 00:13 ragz_gt wrote: Is there any interviews for this? Anyone on it? O.o
there are interviews :D not sure if translated yet
Sorta read MKP's interview with online translation, seems he didn't sleep the night before practicing because he was worried about Leenock and Symbol. Lots comment about KeSPA players that I didn't quite get.
On August 02 2012 00:13 ragz_gt wrote: Is there any interviews for this? Anyone on it? O.o
there are interviews :D not sure if translated yet
Sorta read MKP's interview with online translation, seems he didn't sleep the night before practicing because he was worried about Leenock and Symbol. Lots comment about KeSPA players that I didn't quite get.
oops accidental bump sorry meant to edit op but hit quote instead
to make this not completely irrelevant we can have this i guess
Dear GOMTV.net users,
We are happy to announce the schedule for the 2012 WCG Korea National Finals. 16 of the best players that South Korea has to offer will duke it out in the Finals to see which players will named as the flag bearers for their country. The march to Shanghai, China begins on August 30th!
A stream for this event will be available on GOMTV.net. Please note that WCG Korea is not produced by GOMTV, therefore the broadcast will be relayed as is without additional production by GOMTV.
Here is the currently available schedule for this tournament:
Ro16 : 1. August 30th, Ro16 Day 1 (Thursday, 12:00 PM KST) - LG-IM_Mvp vs. 8thTEAM_TY (1st match) - STX_Trap vs. MVP_Keen (2nd match)
2. September 3rd, Ro16 Day 2 (Monday, 1:00 PM KST) - LG-IM_YongHwa vs. TSL_Polt (1st match) - MVP_Monster vs. StarTale_Hack (2nd match)
3. September 5th, Ro16 Day 3 (Wednesday, 1:00 PM KST) - SKtelecom_ParalyzE vs. MarineKing_Prime (1st match) - NSH_jjakgi vs. Liquid_TaeJa (2nd match)
4. September 7th, Ro16 Day 4 (Friday, 1:00 PM KST) - TSL_HyuN vs. StarTale_Parting (1st match) - coL_Heart vs. SAMSUNG_Jangbi (2nd match)
Ro8: 1. September 10th, Ro8 Day 1 (Monday, 1:00 PM KST) - Players TBD
2. September 12th, Ro8 Day 2 (Wednesday, 1:00PM KST) - Players TBD
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