there is NO english broadcast but games will be aired in korean :D good warmup to watch this before GSL FINALS!!! schedule is a tad confusing though hrmm http://leveltory.com/12874
On July 26 2012 16:48 OnFiRe888 wrote: any reason why the kespa and gsl players have separated qualifiers agian? =/ it was so nice seeing them play together for the wcs qualifier
they'll meet in the RO30, which I think is on August 1st hrmm
August 1 2 ASUS ROG Summer Day 1 3 ASUS ROG Summer Day 2 4 ASUS ROG Summer Day 3 5 TSL4 RO32 Day 3 ----- 6 TSL4 RO32 Day 4 WCS Korea WR1 Day 1 7 WCS Korea WR1 Day 2 OSL Dual Tournament KeSPA - Group B/C 8 WCS Korea WR1 Day 3 9 WCS Korea WR1 Day 4 10 WCS Korea WR2 Day 1 11 12 TSL4 RO16 Day 1 ----- 13 TSL4 RO16 Day 2 WCS Korea WR2 Day 2 14 WCS Korea LR1 Day 1 15 WCS Korea LR1 Day 2 IEM Cologne Day 1 16 WCS Korea LR2 Day 1 IEM Cologne Day 2 17 WCS Korea LR2 Day 2 IEM Cologne Day 3 18 IEM Cologne Day 4 19 TSL4 RO8 ----- 20 TSL4 RO8 WCS Korea WR3 21 WCS Korea LR3 22 WCS Korea LR4 23 WCS Korea WR4/LR5 24 WCS Korea LR6/WR5/LR7 25 MLG Summer Championship Day 1 WCS NA Day 1 WCS Korea Finals 26 MLG Summer Championship Day 2 WCS NA Day 2 ----- 27 MLG Summer Championship Day 3 WCS NA Day 3 Up/Downs Group A 28 Up/Downs Group B 29 Up/Downs Group C 30 Up/Downs Group D 31 Up/Downs Group E
August 1 2 ASUS ROG Summer Day 1 3 ASUS ROG Summer Day 2 4 ASUS ROG Summer Day 3 5 TSL4 RO32 Day 3 ----- 6 TSL4 RO32 Day 4 WCS Korea WR1 Day 1 7 WCS Korea WR1 Day 2 OSL Dual Tournament KeSPA - Group B/C 8 WCS Korea WR1 Day 3 9 WCS Korea WR1 Day 4 10 WCS Korea WR2 Day 1 11 12 TSL4 RO16 Day 1 ----- 13 TSL4 RO16 Day 2 WCS Korea WR2 Day 2 14 WCS Korea LR1 Day 1 15 WCS Korea LR1 Day 2 IEM Cologne Day 1 16 WCS Korea LR2 Day 1 IEM Cologne Day 2 17 WCS Korea LR2 Day 2 IEM Cologne Day 3 18 IEM Cologne Day 4 19 TSL4 RO8 ----- 20 TSL4 RO8 WCS Korea WR3 21 WCS Korea LR3 22 WCS Korea LR4 23 WCS Korea WR4/LR5 24 WCS Korea LR6/WR5/LR7 25 MLG Summer Championship Day 1 WCS NA Day 1 WCS Korea Finals 26 MLG Summer Championship Day 2 WCS NA Day 2 ----- 27 MLG Summer Championship Day 3 WCS NA Day 3 Up/Downs Group A 28 Up/Downs Group B 29 Up/Downs Group C 30 Up/Downs Group D 31 Up/Downs Group E
August 1 2 ASUS ROG Summer Day 1 3 ASUS ROG Summer Day 2 4 ASUS ROG Summer Day 3 5 TSL4 RO32 Day 3 ----- 6 TSL4 RO32 Day 4 WCS Korea WR1 Day 1 7 WCS Korea WR1 Day 2 OSL Dual Tournament KeSPA - Group B/C 8 WCS Korea WR1 Day 3 9 WCS Korea WR1 Day 4 10 WCS Korea WR2 Day 1 11 12 TSL4 RO16 Day 1 ----- 13 TSL4 RO16 Day 2 WCS Korea WR2 Day 2 14 WCS Korea LR1 Day 1 15 WCS Korea LR1 Day 2 IEM Cologne Day 1 16 WCS Korea LR2 Day 1 IEM Cologne Day 2 17 WCS Korea LR2 Day 2 IEM Cologne Day 3 18 IEM Cologne Day 4 19 TSL4 RO8 ----- 20 TSL4 RO8 WCS Korea WR3 21 WCS Korea LR3 22 WCS Korea LR4 23 WCS Korea WR4/LR5 24 WCS Korea LR6/WR5/LR7 25 MLG Summer Championship Day 1 WCS NA Day 1 WCS Korea Finals 26 MLG Summer Championship Day 2 WCS NA Day 2 ----- 27 MLG Summer Championship Day 3 WCS NA Day 3 Up/Downs Group A 28 Up/Downs Group B 29 Up/Downs Group C 30 Up/Downs Group D 31 Up/Downs Group E
Good thing I'll be relatively free to watch as much as I can in August.
I'll probably be away most of September though T_T
On July 26 2012 16:48 OnFiRe888 wrote: any reason why the kespa and gsl players have separated qualifiers agian? =/ it was so nice seeing them play together for the wcs qualifier
they'll meet in the RO30, which I think is on August 1st hrmm
Actually, Ro30 will actually be split up. The first sesssion involving 10 matches between 20 players will be on the 29th (Sunday) and the other 5 matches between the remaining 10 players will be Aug 1 (which is the date of the 2nd GSL groups). Yes, it is confusing....
27th - 13 Kespa groups will be played - 13 Kespa qualified players
28th - 9 GSL groups will be played - 9 GSL qualified players
29th - 2 (Kespa vs Kespa) - 1 (GSL vs GSL) - 7 (Kespa vs GSL)
So that is 4+7=11 Kespa and 2+7=9 GSL players which is everyone from 27th and 28th EXCEPT Kespa 3, 5. And we will have 10 who qualify for Ro16
Aug 1st - 8 GSL groups will be played - 8 GSL qualified players
- 3 (GSL vs GSL) - 2 (Kespa vs GSL)
So that is the remaining 8GSL+2 Kespa to get 5 more qualifiers for Ro 16.
10 + 5 + MVP = Ro16
Heh, keeping up with the brackets for this is going to be FUN!!!
On July 26 2012 16:48 OnFiRe888 wrote: any reason why the kespa and gsl players have separated qualifiers agian? =/ it was so nice seeing them play together for the wcs qualifier
they'll meet in the RO30, which I think is on August 1st hrmm
Actually, Ro30 will actually be split up. The first sesssion involving 10 matches between 20 players will be on the 29th (Sunday) and the other 5 matches between the remaining 10 players will be Aug 1 (which is the date of the 2nd GSL groups). Yes, it is confusing....
27th - 13 Kespa groups will be played - 13 Kespa qualified players
28th - 9 GSL groups will be played - 9 GSL qualified players
29th - 2 (Kespa vs Kespa) - 1 (GSL vs GSL) - 7 (Kespa vs GSL)
So that is 4+7=11 Kespa and 2+7=9 GSL players which is everyone from 27th and 28th EXCEPT Kespa 3, 5. And we will have 10 who qualify for Ro16
Aug 1st - 8 GSL groups will be played - 8 GSL qualified players
- 3 (GSL vs GSL) - 2 (Kespa vs GSL)
So that is the remaining 8GSL+2 Kespa to get 5 more qualifiers for Ro 16.
10 + 5 + MVP = Ro16
Heh, keeping up with the brackets for this is going to be FUN!!!
Buddy, I have no idea what you just posted, but I think I understand the qualifiers well enough. XD
On July 26 2012 16:48 OnFiRe888 wrote: any reason why the kespa and gsl players have separated qualifiers agian? =/ it was so nice seeing them play together for the wcs qualifier
Because if no Kespa players are there much less people will care.
On July 26 2012 16:48 OnFiRe888 wrote: any reason why the kespa and gsl players have separated qualifiers agian? =/ it was so nice seeing them play together for the wcs qualifier
Because if no Kespa players are there much less koreans will care.
On July 27 2012 14:31 smekz wrote: jangbi in the finals of his group, gooo stork!!!
I'm scared that Jangbi is doing this well in sc2 :S he made a deep run in the WCS as well. He should be practising BW to take home the last OSL for Aiur!
On July 27 2012 14:31 smekz wrote: jangbi in the finals of his group, gooo stork!!!
I'm scared that Jangbi is doing this well in sc2 :S he made a deep run in the WCS as well. He should be practising BW to take home the last OSL for Aiur!
I love Wolf and Khaldor and all the english casters 99.99% of the time. but Korean cast just brings back the good old days nice to have a blast of Nostalgia every now and then!
Edit: You can watch it through gom they are restreaming it on their player.
Thanks for this. Gomplayer was doing that stupid thing were it would go too fast or something then get choppy unless I played it at like x.08 speed or have to drop it to the lowest and speed it back up T.T
If you are watching in through the GOM player you can change the Aspect Ratio to 16, makes the in game footage look more "normale". (Right Click->Aspect Ratio->16).
On July 27 2012 15:32 Sub40APM wrote: i was wondering why the protoss was so awful, then i realized its Kespa.
Yeh I think it's my first KeSPA Sc2 tournament I'm watching and this isn't exactly the highest level of play. Well, those guys gotta get better somewhere.
On July 27 2012 15:33 blade55555 wrote: Great decisions by Jaedong for the most part, some sloppyness but he made some good decisions while toss made silly ones.
Not to mention his Godlike mechanics helped him a bit too
Why doesn't Jaedong build anything but roaches? D: I hope it's because he's still focusing time on BW. He'll have to work on long term strategies once it's full time SC2 though.
On July 27 2012 15:32 Sub40APM wrote: i was wondering why the protoss was so awful, then i realized its Kespa.
Yeh I think it's my first KeSPA Sc2 tournament I'm watching and this isn't exactly the highest level of play. Well, those guys gotta get better somewhere.
to be honest as a KT fan I've never heard of this KT protoss ever....
On July 27 2012 15:33 BLinD-RawR wrote: IIIIIIIII: GG IIIIIIIIIII:GG
sums up the game.
Those two extra stamina bars made the difference!
On July 27 2012 15:34 Avidkeystamper wrote: Why doesn't Jaedong build anything but roaches? D: I hope it's because he's still focusing time on BW. He'll have to work on long term strategies once it's full time SC2 though.
He's just doing what works. It's not his fault that every race in SC2 has a dragoon.
weirdly close game. I thought JD was going to lose as hes about to confront toss' army, turns out he tried to maneuvered and caught them offguard, killing all immortals with ease
On July 27 2012 15:34 Avidkeystamper wrote: Why doesn't Jaedong build anything but roaches? D: I hope it's because he's still focusing time on BW. He'll have to work on long term strategies once it's full time SC2 though.
On July 27 2012 15:34 Avidkeystamper wrote: Why doesn't Jaedong build anything but roaches? D: I hope it's because he's still focusing time on BW. He'll have to work on long term strategies once it's full time SC2 though.
tbh there aren't many more opportunities for BW, i think JD would be playing a lot of sc2 lately hrm
are they not showing the rest of the games in this Bo3?
On July 27 2012 15:31 lichter wrote: Why do Kespa players hate Infestors so much?
Why wouldn't they? The infestor is just a horribly EZ mode defiler/queen from BW. They like a challenge.
Man do you even seriously believe in such bullshit or are you actually just joking around?
About the challenge or the EZ mode? I was serious about both of them. Plagues and ensnare took prediction and great skill to pull off well. I'm silver and I can do fungals on par with pros with ease.
On July 27 2012 15:34 Avidkeystamper wrote: Why doesn't Jaedong build anything but roaches? D: I hope it's because he's still focusing time on BW. He'll have to work on long term strategies once it's full time SC2 though.
What would you like him to build in that situation? He had zerglings too. Teching = death in that situation. He played it right by staying with lings and roaches. The time and resources to get up infesters or anything would most likely mean he doesn't have nearly enough army to survive.
On July 27 2012 15:31 lichter wrote: Why do Kespa players hate Infestors so much?
Why wouldn't they? The infestor is just a horribly EZ mode defiler/queen from BW. They like a challenge.
Man do you even seriously believe in such bullshit or are you actually just joking around?
About the challenge or the EZ mode? I was serious about both of them. Plagues and ensnare took prediction and great skill to pull off well. I'm silver and I can do fungals on par with pros with ease.
please don't be so BW elitist, especially in the SC2 forums.
On July 27 2012 15:39 opterown wrote: please don't be so BW elitist, especially in the SC2 forums.
I was suggesting a plausible reason why Jaedong didn't get infestors. I don't want to find roaches and infestors boring. But they are for me, and they are much less exciting than other zerg unit options in Sc2 and BW. It's not elitist to state this.
On July 27 2012 15:31 lichter wrote: Why do Kespa players hate Infestors so much?
Why wouldn't they? The infestor is just a horribly EZ mode defiler/queen from BW. They like a challenge.
Man do you even seriously believe in such bullshit or are you actually just joking around?
About the challenge or the EZ mode? I was serious about both of them. Plagues and ensnare took prediction and great skill to pull off well. I'm silver and I can do fungals on par with pros with ease.
You really think that pros would neglect a unit completely just because they have a giant ego? This is a really dumb thing to think.
edit: I can buy them not using infestors because they haven't had much time with the game, and tech timings are something you need to get comfortable with. To say it's because they want a challenge is dumb.
On July 27 2012 15:42 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Wow long break time in between games?
normal for OGN haha, it's a TV channel.
True, I'm used to get the awesome Korean ads though when I'm waiting! I still remember the wifi commercial and the one with the kid sleeping at school or doing unit impersonations or something xD
On July 27 2012 15:31 lichter wrote: Why do Kespa players hate Infestors so much?
Why wouldn't they? The infestor is just a horribly EZ mode defiler/queen from BW. They like a challenge.
Man do you even seriously believe in such bullshit or are you actually just joking around?
About the challenge or the EZ mode? I was serious about both of them. Plagues and ensnare took prediction and great skill to pull off well. I'm silver and I can do fungals on par with pros with ease.
The players you worship so much would probably be ashamed of having their fans making such ridiculous statements. A good player won't give a shit about pretentious crap like this. Why would they hold themselves down?
Either way, your second comment is just the more ridiculous, that I cannot be sure you aren't actually kidding me.
On July 27 2012 15:41 lolnoty wrote: You really think that pros would neglect a unit completely just because they have a giant ego? This is a really dumb thing to think.
edit: I can buy them not using infestors because they haven't had much time with the game, and tech timings are something you need to get comfortable with. To say it's because they want a challenge is dumb.
Who said anything about ego? I said infestors are less fun than correlating zerg units from brood war, and that is likely having an effect on the Kespa player's' preliminary unit choices. Players like flash were drawn to BW for it's limitless skill ceiling, These are the kind of people that got addicted to BW because it was so ridiculously unforgiving.
On July 27 2012 15:41 lolnoty wrote: You really think that pros would neglect a unit completely just because they have a giant ego? This is a really dumb thing to think.
edit: I can buy them not using infestors because they haven't had much time with the game, and tech timings are something you need to get comfortable with. To say it's because they want a challenge is dumb.
Who said anything about ego? I said infestors are less fun than correlating zerg units from brood war, and that is likely having an effect on the Kespa player's' preliminary development. Players like flash were drawn to BW for it's limitless skill ceiling, These are the kind of people that got addicted to BW because it was so ridiculously unforgiving.
maybe if you said that to begin with, then things would have been less controversial =) although they've been playing for a few months now (part time, yes, but still a while) so hopefully they're getting used to things
On July 27 2012 15:41 lolnoty wrote: You really think that pros would neglect a unit completely just because they have a giant ego? This is a really dumb thing to think.
edit: I can buy them not using infestors because they haven't had much time with the game, and tech timings are something you need to get comfortable with. To say it's because they want a challenge is dumb.
Who said anything about ego? I said infestors are less fun than correlating zerg units from brood war, and that is likely having an effect on the Kespa player's' preliminary development. Players like flash were drawn to BW for it's limitless skill ceiling, These are the kind of people that got addicted to BW because it was so ridiculously unforgiving.
maybe if you said that to begin with, then things would have been less controversial =) although they've been playing for a few months now (part time, yes, but still a while) so hopefully they're getting used to things
I encourage you to learn more about SC2's heritage via the original game. My only hope is that the infestor will get a casting animation for fungal because it proves so imba, or it just gets replaced by the viper.
On July 27 2012 15:41 lolnoty wrote: You really think that pros would neglect a unit completely just because they have a giant ego? This is a really dumb thing to think.
edit: I can buy them not using infestors because they haven't had much time with the game, and tech timings are something you need to get comfortable with. To say it's because they want a challenge is dumb.
Who said anything about ego? I said infestors are less fun than correlating zerg units from brood war, and that is likely having an effect on the Kespa player's' preliminary development. Players like flash were drawn to BW for it's limitless skill ceiling, These are the kind of people that got addicted to BW because it was so ridiculously unforgiving.
maybe if you said that to begin with, then things would have been less controversial =) although they've been playing for a few months now (part time, yes, but still a while) so hopefully they're getting used to things
I encourage you to learn more about SC2's heritage via the original game. My only hope is that the infestor will get a casting animation for fungal because it proves so imba, or it just gets replaced by the viper.
good god can you just stop talking. each thing you say is dumber than the one before. i honestly wanna believe you're trolling coz noone is this stupid....
On July 27 2012 15:41 lolnoty wrote: You really think that pros would neglect a unit completely just because they have a giant ego? This is a really dumb thing to think.
edit: I can buy them not using infestors because they haven't had much time with the game, and tech timings are something you need to get comfortable with. To say it's because they want a challenge is dumb.
Who said anything about ego? I said infestors are less fun than correlating zerg units from brood war, and that is likely having an effect on the Kespa player's' preliminary development. Players like flash were drawn to BW for it's limitless skill ceiling, These are the kind of people that got addicted to BW because it was so ridiculously unforgiving.
maybe if you said that to begin with, then things would have been less controversial =) although they've been playing for a few months now (part time, yes, but still a while) so hopefully they're getting used to things
I encourage you to learn more about SC2's heritage in the original game. My only hope is that the infestor will get a casting animation for fungal because it proves so imba, or it just gets replaced by the viper.
I did play Broodwar so I know what you mean, and while I agree that they could do with increasing the mechanical difficulty of the game I just don't like it when discussions like this encroach LR threads.
Anyway fungal actually does have a projectile, but the projectile travels so fast and is cast instantly that there is probably <.5s delay on it (at max range). Perhaps making the projectile more visible and slightly slower would make it more interesting and dodge-able.
On July 27 2012 15:54 collegeBored wrote: good god can you just stop talking. each thing you say is dumber than the one before. i honestly wanna believe you're trolling coz noone is this stupid....
Sorry if I annoyed you, but I don't think I said anything stupid. Could you kindly point it out to me?
On July 27 2012 15:56 smekz wrote: Seems like bogus won no jangbi tt
Not surprising. Bogus qualified for OGN, took a game off Polt and is on the best Terran team in Proleague. His 0-5 record is more unlucky than anything.
On July 27 2012 15:56 PhoenixDark wrote: These guys still suck..
Yep.
But Ill say this thing. The protoss who is playing just now was smart enough to re-locate his immortal to the side of the zerg attack that had pure roach instead of having it blast off against hydras instead. But other than that, awful, just awful.
On July 27 2012 15:56 PhoenixDark wrote: These guys still suck..
Thanks for you input and showing your complete lack of knowledge about the game. Now kindly GTFO.
Seriously, the zerg continually losing Queens (off creep) to simple Phoenix pressure, weird Protoss opening, early gas from the gas despite going double hatch expand...what is this
On July 27 2012 15:56 PhoenixDark wrote: These guys still suck..
Thanks for you input and showing your complete lack of knowledge about the game. Now kindly GTFO.
Seriously, the zerg continually losing Queens (off creep) to simple Phoenix pressure, weird Protoss opening, early gas from the gas despite going double hatch expand...what is this
Maybe inexperience, but possibly he figured out something that experienced SC2 players missed with their assumptions.
On July 27 2012 15:56 PhoenixDark wrote: These guys still suck..
Thanks for you input and showing your complete lack of knowledge about the game. Now kindly GTFO.
Seriously, the zerg continually losing Queens (off creep) to simple Phoenix pressure, weird Protoss opening, early gas from the gas despite going double hatch expand...what is this
Yea strategy wise they are a bit off, that is obvious.
On the other hand their macro and micro are on par with Code A calibre players. And seeing asm any of these guys that suck have recently won and taking games off many GSL players. Saying "They still suck" is just wrong.
...how did the toss lose this game?? he had every advantage, pushed back the first 200 push with almost no loses, i tab away for a second and he is down 100 supply to a 3 base zerg going hydra/roach...jesus these protoss players are awful.
On July 27 2012 16:04 Sub40APM wrote: ...how did the toss lose this game?? he had every advantage, pushed back the first 200 push with almost no loses, i tab away for a second and he is down 100 supply to a 3 base zerg going hydra/roach...jesus these protoss players are awful.
Lost all colossus in that battle though. No high templar and colossus, zerg will win every battle in that situation.
On July 27 2012 16:04 Deathmanbob wrote: that was such a old school style PvZ, was really weird to watch
Symbol vs Seed had roach hydra corruptor vs stalker colossus too. It's actually coming back now that Zergs actually know how to engage and balance corruptor production.
On July 27 2012 15:56 PhoenixDark wrote: These guys still suck..
Thanks for you input and showing your complete lack of knowledge about the game. Now kindly GTFO.
Seriously, the zerg continually losing Queens (off creep) to simple Phoenix pressure, weird Protoss opening, early gas from the gas despite going double hatch expand...what is this
Yea strategy wise they are a bit off, that is obvious.
On the other hand their macro and micro are on par with Code A calibre players. And seeing asm any of these guys that suck have recently won and taking games off many GSL players. Saying "They still suck" is just wrong.
I see nothing wrong with calling it as I see it. I'm not referring to all Kespa players, just these two. Obviously Kespa players have taken out some b level SC2 pros lately to much fanfare - and a couple good players as well, to be fair (still kind of shocked Jjakji lost for instance).
The Kespa protoss seem to be doing well, and are effectively using the various deadly timings the race has in SC2. Right now most Kespa zergs seem to be playing like it's 2011 and can't deal with any toss pressure, but they'll figure it out eventually.
On July 27 2012 15:56 PhoenixDark wrote: These guys still suck..
Thanks for you input and showing your complete lack of knowledge about the game. Now kindly GTFO.
Seriously, the zerg continually losing Queens (off creep) to simple Phoenix pressure, weird Protoss opening, early gas from the gas despite going double hatch expand...what is this
Yea strategy wise they are a bit off, that is obvious.
On the other hand their macro and micro are on par with Code A calibre players. And seeing asm any of these guys that suck have recently won and taking games off many GSL players. Saying "They still suck" is just wrong.
I see nothing wrong with calling it as I see it. I'm not referring to all Kespa players, just these two. Obviously Kespa players have taken out some b level SC2 pros lately to much fanfare - and a couple good players as well, to be fair (still kind of shocked Jjakji lost for instance).
The Kespa protoss seem the best so far, and are effectively using the various deadly timings the race has in SC2. Right now most Kespa zergs seem to be playing like it's 2011 and can't deal with any toss pressure, but they'll figure it out eventually.
Zergs are strong now in sc2 but getting good grasp with zerg requires massive trial and error method which all good zergs had in 2010,2011 already.
Jangbi is doing really well, and so is Reality. Stork advancing is making me happy as well! But Flash .... Especially in a TvT T_T That's like the most skill based matchup imo, oh well maybe it was cheese vs cheese who knows (i don't).
On July 27 2012 16:25 Krogan wrote: Err wtf why are there seperate qualifiers for two different groups of Koreans? This is about the stupidest idea I have ever seen in esports history.
On July 27 2012 16:47 Scrubwave wrote: Ugh, so few games and PvP finals in GSL. Terrible day.
Well, we have a pretty full schedule coming up with WCS, OSL, Asus ROG, WCG, GSTL...
ESV as well. Taeja v Squirtle Bo7 could be very sick indeed (although I have a sneaking suspicion Squirtle will run away with it).
Yes, I was mainly pointing out the offline events. For online events, there is almost one every single day, especially with a lot of foreign tournament holding KR qualifiers. IEM KR/TW Qualifiers are also today.
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