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On July 23 2012 02:04 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:03 Coffin wrote:On July 23 2012 02:02 MuseMike wrote:On July 23 2012 02:01 DwD wrote: And this is why you NEVER NEVER NEVER make carriers ? He is right actually, they were falling so fast, that investment could have proved fatal in a closer game I think. Start of fight: 27 Corrupters with infested Terran support vs 13 Carriers End of fight: 4 Corrupters vs 7 Carriers ..... It was only close because Oz stood still in infested terran fire for ages.
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Damnit Axslav
now I've gotta wipe my keybaord
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Holy shit that was some good PvZ. Oz seems to know a thing or two about that match up.
Edit: interesting point about the armor upgrade for air. That would made a big difference against carriers but then again you normally would not go for armor over weapons as you want to use broodlord range and fungals to control the battle.
Course you can both but in the position Stephano was in I do not think that was possible. No just crazy good play from Oz, going to watch this guy more from now on ^
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On July 23 2012 02:06 oogieogie wrote: I am glad stephano lost 2-0 this time so extended series just did not matter, but why the fuck do protoss think carriers are so great when they go on like 5 base instead of just colossi + warp ins + archon toilet? I mean there was like 15 carriers, almost fully upgraded (3-2-3 or something i think..not max shields) and there was like 5-7 carriers left from 21 3-0 corruptors.
how many carriers were left?
7.
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On July 23 2012 02:05 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:04 Hassybaby wrote:On July 23 2012 02:03 Coffin wrote:On July 23 2012 02:02 MuseMike wrote:On July 23 2012 02:01 DwD wrote: And this is why you NEVER NEVER NEVER make carriers ? He is right actually, they were falling so fast, that investment could have proved fatal in a closer game I think. Start of fight: 27 Corrupters with infested Terran support vs 13 Carriers End of fight: 4 Corrupters vs 7 Carriers ..... In a closer game Oz would have lost. Carriers can be good PvZ but making them when your opponent is fully invested with 20+ corrupters is not such a good idea. He invested into the 27 corruptors because oz went carriers, and oz won the fight cost-effectively anyway.
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On July 23 2012 02:05 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:04 Hassybaby wrote:On July 23 2012 02:03 Coffin wrote:On July 23 2012 02:02 MuseMike wrote:On July 23 2012 02:01 DwD wrote: And this is why you NEVER NEVER NEVER make carriers ? He is right actually, they were falling so fast, that investment could have proved fatal in a closer game I think. Start of fight: 27 Corrupters with infested Terran support vs 13 Carriers End of fight: 4 Corrupters vs 7 Carriers ..... In a closer game Oz would have lost. Carriers can be good PvZ but making them when your opponent is fully invested with 20+ corrupters is not such a good idea.
Except it was. Oz doesn't even have to trade efficiently when he's on 5 bases and Stephano could barely get a 4th up...
And then he kills the Spire And he's ahead in upgrades
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On July 23 2012 02:04 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:03 Coffin wrote:On July 23 2012 02:02 MuseMike wrote:On July 23 2012 02:01 DwD wrote: And this is why you NEVER NEVER NEVER make carriers ? He is right actually, they were falling so fast, that investment could have proved fatal in a closer game I think. Start of fight: 27 Corrupters with infested Terran support vs 13 Carriers End of fight: 4 Corrupters vs 7 Carriers ..... Yeah, 3-3-3 upgrades carriers ARE cost efficiently. The upgrades are a must though.
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On July 23 2012 02:06 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:03 DwD wrote:On July 23 2012 02:02 MuseMike wrote:On July 23 2012 02:01 DwD wrote: And this is why you NEVER NEVER NEVER make carriers ? If Stephano had 5 more corruptors he would've died. They are sooo weak for the investment you make yeeaaaah, no he wouldn't -.- It's a combination of a lot of factors (losing the infestors, detection dying, blah, blah), but the biggest reason the carriers did huge damage was because 14 of them came out of nowhere.
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On July 23 2012 02:04 Toorgr wrote: That was such a bad game Do we get an actual matchup now?
I thought it was an intense and sick awesome game!!! Stephano getting behind early, Oz's stalker distracting the ling-all in for just a couple seconds that made the difference early on, and Oz extremely wary of Stephano's army despite being ahead, and then an impressive carrier switch, Stephano not scouting the switch well-enough , and having his infestors with NP in a bad location to engage... Oh well..
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On July 23 2012 02:06 Herry wrote: Carriers are not really worth the time and amount of resources you invest. could have easily built anything else twice and it would have been alot more one sided That amount of carriers are near unbeatable if Oz has storm support. Anything that kills Carriers are raped by HT. Oz kinda screwed up a little by having no HTs when the corrupters came and still came out on top.
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On July 23 2012 02:05 udgnim wrote: better to just have 1 person doing the analysis Yeah, Day9 doesn't let Axlav talk enough...Either one alone would do a better job.
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Poll: How long until Stephano in jail again for public intoxication? (drunk)<1 hour (21) 46% 1-2 hours (12) 26% 2-3 hours (9) 20% 3-6 hours (4) 9% 46 total votes Your vote: How long until Stephano in jail again for public intoxication? (drunk) (Vote): <1 hour (Vote): 1-2 hours (Vote): 2-3 hours (Vote): 3-6 hours
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On July 23 2012 02:03 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:03 Durp wrote:On July 23 2012 02:02 Nick! wrote:On July 23 2012 02:01 DwD wrote: And this is why you NEVER NEVER NEVER make carriers Derp yes? Where's your brother Hurp? He's hiding after Stephano's loss, you could say he's in recession
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On July 23 2012 02:07 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:04 Hassybaby wrote:On July 23 2012 02:03 Coffin wrote:On July 23 2012 02:02 MuseMike wrote:On July 23 2012 02:01 DwD wrote: And this is why you NEVER NEVER NEVER make carriers ? He is right actually, they were falling so fast, that investment could have proved fatal in a closer game I think. Start of fight: 27 Corrupters with infested Terran support vs 13 Carriers End of fight: 4 Corrupters vs 7 Carriers ..... Yeah, 3-3-3 upgrades carriers ARE cost efficiently. The upgrades are a must though. Er
I tried maxed 3-3-3 carriers vs 3-3 corruptors in unit tester, all carriers die, 30% of corruptors die.
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Too bad stephano went out, now i lost my interest completely.
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On July 23 2012 02:07 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:04 Hassybaby wrote:On July 23 2012 02:03 Coffin wrote:On July 23 2012 02:02 MuseMike wrote:On July 23 2012 02:01 DwD wrote: And this is why you NEVER NEVER NEVER make carriers ? He is right actually, they were falling so fast, that investment could have proved fatal in a closer game I think. Start of fight: 27 Corrupters with infested Terran support vs 13 Carriers End of fight: 4 Corrupters vs 7 Carriers ..... Yeah, 3-3-3 upgrades carriers ARE cost efficiently. The upgrades are a must though.
Ofc they are...upgrades are essential in SC2
This isn't 2010 where no one gets upgrades
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alicia is probably the happiest man in the world right now : oz instead of stephano
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The carrier switch secured him the win. When the Zerg is invested in 15+ brood lords, they don't have the supply to back it up with enough corrupters and infestors when you make a full carrier tech switch. The difficulty is getting to that, because carriers are slow to make and the Zerg is able to do a huge amount of damage before you're able to make the switch. Oz was enough ahead that he was able to make the switch while sacrificing units. He had five bases vs. Stephano's four. Five base Protoss vs. four base Zerg.
He had that game won in the mid game, but carriers secured him the iwn.
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On July 23 2012 02:04 Ziggitz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote: How are there so few posts in this thread? O_o
Insane game. So well played by Oz. It's because of posts like this that I stopped coming to live report threads. Oz did not play amazingly well. Stephano misread his build and Oz executed a build that any low masters player can execute. Because Stephano cut essentially 10 drones or so to produce those lings that couldn't attack, the game was over at that point. Everything else was superfluous. Well low master NA is low diamond korea. I don't think oz executes his strategy's at that lvl, considering hes a fucking GSL PLAYER. He's one of the best protoss players on the planet.....
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On July 23 2012 02:02 revel8 wrote: Great play by Oz. He deserved to win that series. Well done to him.
Indeed. I am just disappointed we didn't get to see Stephano play any other players... part of me hopes/feels that Stephano could take out every other player there... oh well. WP Oz.
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