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I really liked d.Apollo's casting today, definitely now one of my favors. And although I don't really like Day[9]'s style of casting, his analyses are always spot on, so I'm perfectly fine with him.
MLG fighting!
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On July 22 2012 11:26 Zacsafus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 11:22 yeint wrote:On July 22 2012 11:17 the`postman wrote:On July 22 2012 11:15 yeint wrote:On July 22 2012 11:09 the`postman wrote:On July 22 2012 11:06 yeint wrote:On July 22 2012 11:06 the`postman wrote:On July 22 2012 11:04 Zacsafus wrote:On July 22 2012 11:00 AgentChaos wrote:On July 22 2012 10:59 Zacsafus wrote:
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thats what im asking, can you point out what losira is doing thats good so i can appreciate him more, because i can never see what zerg does that is wholely defining of their skill, but for terrans its obvious from how well they split in engagements, protoss with blink and shit too, but zerg has nothing really defining that i can look at and go "holy shit, that guy is good" inject I guess, but you dont see injects and its hardly inspiring, only problem with that is stephano seems to be the guy with the most stuff all the time and he says that his injects are his worse aspect of his play. I guess im the only one that doesnt find remaxing as a zerg very impressive? :S Just because you as a viewer, who doesn't understand zerg, doesn't find it impressive doesn't mean that it isn't. It's a spectator sport though. So? if you are sophisticated watcher you can appreciate it, if not you don't. I honestly don't see where this conversation is going, zerg need to be nerfed because injects aren't fun to watch for people who don't understand the game? I didn't say I didn't understand the importance of spot on injects, I'm saying it doesn't make the games better to watch. It's like saying boxing is made more impressive because I know the boxers are really good at skipping a rope. It's not even remotely like that, it would be like someone who understands how important footwork is in boxing, not just watching for big ass haymaker. The problem with injects is that they're technically very simple to excel at. You just have to hit V every 40 seconds on the dot. Now, this isn't easy by any means, but once someone perfects it, it's the same every game. Battle micro is far more dynamic and changes from game to game. Exactly this, zerg seems to have no flash or pazzaz to their engagements aside from the occasional ling surround or magic box, but they arent hard in itself, roaches need some sort of blink equivalent, would make games with zerg in infintely more fun to watch, imagine roach vs stalker blink wars xD
maybe a buff to roach burrow?
edit: I can't believe I just suggested a Zerg buff lol, obviously this would be balanced out by a nerf
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On July 22 2012 11:27 Ylrahc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 11:23 Shaddar wrote:On July 22 2012 11:21 Whatson wrote:On July 22 2012 11:20 Ylrahc wrote:Wasn't the gg a bit early ? I mean, when you see the comeback Stephano managed to do, it wasn't 100% lost, maybe 90% ?  Please don't start this. Don't you know Stephano can win any game from any situation? Don't make me say what I didn't say. I understand why Losira gg'ed out, but I'm not an SC2 expert and I want to know it was recoverable. He still had a loooot of infestors and some economy. Of course losing the BLs to the nuke was a big hit, and it probably put him in a bad mindset. Maybe, just maybe, there was a hint of a Idra's gg ? Or there was really nothing to do ? It's a question, nothing more.
No, it was not recoverable at that point. Yes, he had infestors but he did not have enough econ to remake units to support them. Fungals are great at holding the army in place but you still need lings/BLs, etc to kill the marines.
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are there any statistics for random players (that is, players who play random) on winrates? Would be interesting to see if its even across races
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On July 22 2012 11:26 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 11:24 Dosey wrote:On July 22 2012 11:22 vthree wrote:
Teamkill tomorrow between First and Losira... First just owning terrans left and right 8-1 vs TOP, PuMa, Ganzi, aLive. Sadly, he got 2-0d by a Euro zerg... Doesn't bode well for him vs Losira, unless jetlag played a role somehow. He 2-0'd Coca recently in an online cup, if that means anything to you.
No.. it doesn't.
Don't know why people bring up past results to try and justify something.
"Stephano sucks vs zerg, especially Nerchio! He is doomed!" Stephano wins
"MC has a winning record vs Stephano and is the best PvZer, he'll crush Stephano and win NASL!" Stephano wins NASL
"MC has been losing to zergs non stop lately, he doesn't stand a chance vs DRG!" MC wins 3-0
etc etc.
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Yeah, it really is worth remembering that the best zergs (and the best zerg late-games) are all players who are extremely fast. Losira, DRG, Symbol & Stephano all rock 400 apm. There's a reason why so few can do it and why zerg-players are so prone to making mistakes.
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On July 22 2012 11:29 m0ck wrote:
1 mining base with decent minerals left and it was under fire from nukes - 10 infestors with a single fungal, an emp just hit. Nukes falling and no way of breaking the nuke-position. It was over.
Okay, I didn't see the emp on infestors. So ye, it was 100% over. Thanks !
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On July 22 2012 11:30 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 11:26 Zacsafus wrote:On July 22 2012 11:22 yeint wrote:On July 22 2012 11:17 the`postman wrote:On July 22 2012 11:15 yeint wrote:On July 22 2012 11:09 the`postman wrote:On July 22 2012 11:06 yeint wrote:On July 22 2012 11:06 the`postman wrote:On July 22 2012 11:04 Zacsafus wrote:On July 22 2012 11:00 AgentChaos wrote:
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inject I guess, but you dont see injects and its hardly inspiring, only problem with that is stephano seems to be the guy with the most stuff all the time and he says that his injects are his worse aspect of his play. I guess im the only one that doesnt find remaxing as a zerg very impressive? :S Just because you as a viewer, who doesn't understand zerg, doesn't find it impressive doesn't mean that it isn't. It's a spectator sport though. So? if you are sophisticated watcher you can appreciate it, if not you don't. I honestly don't see where this conversation is going, zerg need to be nerfed because injects aren't fun to watch for people who don't understand the game? I didn't say I didn't understand the importance of spot on injects, I'm saying it doesn't make the games better to watch. It's like saying boxing is made more impressive because I know the boxers are really good at skipping a rope. It's not even remotely like that, it would be like someone who understands how important footwork is in boxing, not just watching for big ass haymaker. The problem with injects is that they're technically very simple to excel at. You just have to hit V every 40 seconds on the dot. Now, this isn't easy by any means, but once someone perfects it, it's the same every game. Battle micro is far more dynamic and changes from game to game. Exactly this, zerg seems to have no flash or pazzaz to their engagements aside from the occasional ling surround or magic box, but they arent hard in itself, roaches need some sort of blink equivalent, would make games with zerg in infintely more fun to watch, imagine roach vs stalker blink wars xD Once again. Somebody doesn't play Zerg. Try hitting injects, spreading creep, moving your ling-baneling army around the map, while making sure your mutas don't derp off and go attack a group of marines, and then tell me how easy Zerg is to play.
He's not saying zerg isn't hard to play, he's saying they don't have that many watcher-friendly micro tricks and such things like protoss and terran do, which is just how the race works.
Keeping up with injects is an amazing feat, but nobody says "WOW LOOK AT THAT INJECT!!" like they say "OMFG DAT MARINE SPLIT!!"
It's amazing, yet unspectacular.
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On July 22 2012 11:31 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 11:26 HolyArrow wrote:On July 22 2012 11:24 Dosey wrote:On July 22 2012 11:22 vthree wrote:
Teamkill tomorrow between First and Losira... First just owning terrans left and right 8-1 vs TOP, PuMa, Ganzi, aLive. Sadly, he got 2-0d by a Euro zerg... Doesn't bode well for him vs Losira, unless jetlag played a role somehow. He 2-0'd Coca recently in an online cup, if that means anything to you. No.. it doesn't. Don't know why people bring up past results to try and justify something. "Stephano sucks vs zerg, especially Nerchio! He is doomed!" Stephano wins "MC has a winning record vs Stephano and is the best PvZer, he'll crush Stephano and win NASL!" Stephano wins NASL "MC has been losing to zergs non stop lately, he doesn't stand a chance vs DRG!" MC wins 3-0 etc etc.
ummmm u did the same thing the post before
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On July 22 2012 11:30 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 11:26 Zacsafus wrote:On July 22 2012 11:22 yeint wrote:On July 22 2012 11:17 the`postman wrote:On July 22 2012 11:15 yeint wrote:On July 22 2012 11:09 the`postman wrote:On July 22 2012 11:06 yeint wrote:On July 22 2012 11:06 the`postman wrote:On July 22 2012 11:04 Zacsafus wrote:On July 22 2012 11:00 AgentChaos wrote:
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inject I guess, but you dont see injects and its hardly inspiring, only problem with that is stephano seems to be the guy with the most stuff all the time and he says that his injects are his worse aspect of his play. I guess im the only one that doesnt find remaxing as a zerg very impressive? :S Just because you as a viewer, who doesn't understand zerg, doesn't find it impressive doesn't mean that it isn't. It's a spectator sport though. So? if you are sophisticated watcher you can appreciate it, if not you don't. I honestly don't see where this conversation is going, zerg need to be nerfed because injects aren't fun to watch for people who don't understand the game? I didn't say I didn't understand the importance of spot on injects, I'm saying it doesn't make the games better to watch. It's like saying boxing is made more impressive because I know the boxers are really good at skipping a rope. It's not even remotely like that, it would be like someone who understands how important footwork is in boxing, not just watching for big ass haymaker. The problem with injects is that they're technically very simple to excel at. You just have to hit V every 40 seconds on the dot. Now, this isn't easy by any means, but once someone perfects it, it's the same every game. Battle micro is far more dynamic and changes from game to game. Exactly this, zerg seems to have no flash or pazzaz to their engagements aside from the occasional ling surround or magic box, but they arent hard in itself, roaches need some sort of blink equivalent, would make games with zerg in infintely more fun to watch, imagine roach vs stalker blink wars xD Once again. Somebody doesn't play Zerg. Try hitting injects, spreading creep, moving your ling-baneling army around the map, while making sure your mutas don't derp off and go attack a group of marines, and then tell me how easy Zerg is to play.
Who said anything about being easy to play, jesus all zergs take any comment about their race as some sort of balance whine, paranoid much? What im saying is as a spectator you just cant see where the effort goes in with the zerg race, atleast not in battles, excuse me if im wrong but when u see 3 big clumps of units come in from different angles, it looks well orchestrated but you re prone to think that it takes onyl a few clicks around then a few a clicks to engage, but if u watch terran split, i guess because it all happens on screen and is so minute and quick you really get the feeling that this player is good, i mean, what looks more impressive? tbh i dont think anything impressed and awed me as much as the first marine splits and at that time i was playing zerg. I dont play a huge amount now but i watch alot and im always underwhelmed by how un-flashy and down and dirty zerg is compared to the shinanigans the other races can pull
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On July 22 2012 11:31 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 11:26 HolyArrow wrote:On July 22 2012 11:24 Dosey wrote:On July 22 2012 11:22 vthree wrote:
Teamkill tomorrow between First and Losira... First just owning terrans left and right 8-1 vs TOP, PuMa, Ganzi, aLive. Sadly, he got 2-0d by a Euro zerg... Doesn't bode well for him vs Losira, unless jetlag played a role somehow. He 2-0'd Coca recently in an online cup, if that means anything to you. No.. it doesn't. Don't know why people bring up past results to try and justify something. "Stephano sucks vs zerg, especially Nerchio! He is doomed!" Stephano wins "MC has a winning record vs Stephano and is the best PvZer, he'll crush Stephano and win NASL!" Stephano wins NASL "MC has been losing to zergs non stop lately, he doesn't stand a chance vs DRG!" MC wins 3-0 etc etc.
What else are you going to go by? Like any sports, people will make prediction on past results. But also like sports, predictions can be wrong and upsets can happen. Oz beat Stephano and I think most people would agree that Oz was in a slump and his PvZ wasn't rank as high as HerO and MC. Eventhough he beat Stephano, I would still give a slight edge to Stephano on a single game. However, since it is extended series, I give Oz a slight edge to win the series.
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On July 22 2012 11:32 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 11:30 Whatson wrote:On July 22 2012 11:26 Zacsafus wrote:On July 22 2012 11:22 yeint wrote:On July 22 2012 11:17 the`postman wrote:On July 22 2012 11:15 yeint wrote:On July 22 2012 11:09 the`postman wrote:On July 22 2012 11:06 yeint wrote:On July 22 2012 11:06 the`postman wrote:On July 22 2012 11:04 Zacsafus wrote:
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I guess, but you dont see injects and its hardly inspiring, only problem with that is stephano seems to be the guy with the most stuff all the time and he says that his injects are his worse aspect of his play. I guess im the only one that doesnt find remaxing as a zerg very impressive? :S Just because you as a viewer, who doesn't understand zerg, doesn't find it impressive doesn't mean that it isn't. It's a spectator sport though. So? if you are sophisticated watcher you can appreciate it, if not you don't. I honestly don't see where this conversation is going, zerg need to be nerfed because injects aren't fun to watch for people who don't understand the game? I didn't say I didn't understand the importance of spot on injects, I'm saying it doesn't make the games better to watch. It's like saying boxing is made more impressive because I know the boxers are really good at skipping a rope. It's not even remotely like that, it would be like someone who understands how important footwork is in boxing, not just watching for big ass haymaker. The problem with injects is that they're technically very simple to excel at. You just have to hit V every 40 seconds on the dot. Now, this isn't easy by any means, but once someone perfects it, it's the same every game. Battle micro is far more dynamic and changes from game to game. Exactly this, zerg seems to have no flash or pazzaz to their engagements aside from the occasional ling surround or magic box, but they arent hard in itself, roaches need some sort of blink equivalent, would make games with zerg in infintely more fun to watch, imagine roach vs stalker blink wars xD Once again. Somebody doesn't play Zerg. Try hitting injects, spreading creep, moving your ling-baneling army around the map, while making sure your mutas don't derp off and go attack a group of marines, and then tell me how easy Zerg is to play. He's not saying zerg isn't hard to play, he's saying they don't have that many watcher-friendly micro tricks and such things like protoss and terran do, which is just how the race works. Keeping up with injects is an amazing feat, but nobody says "WOW LOOK AT THAT INJECT!!" like they say "OMFG DAT MARINE SPLIT!!" It's amazing, yet unspectacular.
Thank you, this is exactly what im getting at, i want zerg to have something impressive to watch so i can really nerd chill out when i see it, you see alot with terran, not so much with protoss but i think its really something that would benefit sc2 as a spectator sport, i personally dont like "terrible terrible damage" i think it minimises opportunities for this sort of wow factor to emerge, but i guess flashy laser beams are good enough for some *cough* browder *cough*
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On July 22 2012 11:36 Zacsafus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 11:30 Whatson wrote:On July 22 2012 11:26 Zacsafus wrote:On July 22 2012 11:22 yeint wrote:On July 22 2012 11:17 the`postman wrote:On July 22 2012 11:15 yeint wrote:On July 22 2012 11:09 the`postman wrote:On July 22 2012 11:06 yeint wrote:On July 22 2012 11:06 the`postman wrote:On July 22 2012 11:04 Zacsafus wrote:
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I guess, but you dont see injects and its hardly inspiring, only problem with that is stephano seems to be the guy with the most stuff all the time and he says that his injects are his worse aspect of his play. I guess im the only one that doesnt find remaxing as a zerg very impressive? :S Just because you as a viewer, who doesn't understand zerg, doesn't find it impressive doesn't mean that it isn't. It's a spectator sport though. So? if you are sophisticated watcher you can appreciate it, if not you don't. I honestly don't see where this conversation is going, zerg need to be nerfed because injects aren't fun to watch for people who don't understand the game? I didn't say I didn't understand the importance of spot on injects, I'm saying it doesn't make the games better to watch. It's like saying boxing is made more impressive because I know the boxers are really good at skipping a rope. It's not even remotely like that, it would be like someone who understands how important footwork is in boxing, not just watching for big ass haymaker. The problem with injects is that they're technically very simple to excel at. You just have to hit V every 40 seconds on the dot. Now, this isn't easy by any means, but once someone perfects it, it's the same every game. Battle micro is far more dynamic and changes from game to game. Exactly this, zerg seems to have no flash or pazzaz to their engagements aside from the occasional ling surround or magic box, but they arent hard in itself, roaches need some sort of blink equivalent, would make games with zerg in infintely more fun to watch, imagine roach vs stalker blink wars xD Once again. Somebody doesn't play Zerg. Try hitting injects, spreading creep, moving your ling-baneling army around the map, while making sure your mutas don't derp off and go attack a group of marines, and then tell me how easy Zerg is to play. Who said anything about being easy to play, jesus all zergs take any comment about their race as some sort of balance whine, paranoid much? What im saying is as a spectator you just cant see where the effort goes in with the zerg race, atleast not in battles, excuse me if im wrong but when u see 3 big clumps of units come in from different angles, it looks well orchestrated but you re prone to think that it takes onyl a few clicks around then a few a clicks to engage, but if u watch terran split, i guess because it all happens on screen and is so minute and quick you really get the feeling that this player is good, i mean, what looks more impressive? tbh i dont think anything impressed and awed me as much as the first marine splits and at that time i was playing zerg. I dont play a huge amount now but i watch alot and im always underwhelmed by how un-flashy and down and dirty zerg is compared to the shinanigans the other races can pull
Zergs micro their macro. I can understand the Zerg mindset: just make more stuff than your opponent. No need to pull off fancy battle micro if you just overwhelm with sheer numbers. Since zerg was designed to be the cost-inefficient race, it makes sense. If you want flashy micro, don't play Zerg.
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On July 22 2012 11:32 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 11:30 Whatson wrote:On July 22 2012 11:26 Zacsafus wrote:On July 22 2012 11:22 yeint wrote:On July 22 2012 11:17 the`postman wrote:On July 22 2012 11:15 yeint wrote:On July 22 2012 11:09 the`postman wrote:On July 22 2012 11:06 yeint wrote:On July 22 2012 11:06 the`postman wrote:On July 22 2012 11:04 Zacsafus wrote:
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I guess, but you dont see injects and its hardly inspiring, only problem with that is stephano seems to be the guy with the most stuff all the time and he says that his injects are his worse aspect of his play. I guess im the only one that doesnt find remaxing as a zerg very impressive? :S Just because you as a viewer, who doesn't understand zerg, doesn't find it impressive doesn't mean that it isn't. It's a spectator sport though. So? if you are sophisticated watcher you can appreciate it, if not you don't. I honestly don't see where this conversation is going, zerg need to be nerfed because injects aren't fun to watch for people who don't understand the game? I didn't say I didn't understand the importance of spot on injects, I'm saying it doesn't make the games better to watch. It's like saying boxing is made more impressive because I know the boxers are really good at skipping a rope. It's not even remotely like that, it would be like someone who understands how important footwork is in boxing, not just watching for big ass haymaker. The problem with injects is that they're technically very simple to excel at. You just have to hit V every 40 seconds on the dot. Now, this isn't easy by any means, but once someone perfects it, it's the same every game. Battle micro is far more dynamic and changes from game to game. Exactly this, zerg seems to have no flash or pazzaz to their engagements aside from the occasional ling surround or magic box, but they arent hard in itself, roaches need some sort of blink equivalent, would make games with zerg in infintely more fun to watch, imagine roach vs stalker blink wars xD Once again. Somebody doesn't play Zerg. Try hitting injects, spreading creep, moving your ling-baneling army around the map, while making sure your mutas don't derp off and go attack a group of marines, and then tell me how easy Zerg is to play. He's not saying zerg isn't hard to play, he's saying they don't have that many watcher-friendly micro tricks and such things like protoss and terran do, which is just how the race works. Keeping up with injects is an amazing feat, but nobody says "WOW LOOK AT THAT INJECT!!" like they say "OMFG DAT MARINE SPLIT!!" It's amazing, yet unspectacular.
Maybe bring back some form of BW muta micro, seeing marines picked apart was pretty cool
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On July 22 2012 11:31 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 11:26 HolyArrow wrote:On July 22 2012 11:24 Dosey wrote:On July 22 2012 11:22 vthree wrote:
Teamkill tomorrow between First and Losira... First just owning terrans left and right 8-1 vs TOP, PuMa, Ganzi, aLive. Sadly, he got 2-0d by a Euro zerg... Doesn't bode well for him vs Losira, unless jetlag played a role somehow. He 2-0'd Coca recently in an online cup, if that means anything to you. No.. it doesn't. Don't know why people bring up past results to try and justify something. "Stephano sucks vs zerg, especially Nerchio! He is doomed!" Stephano wins "MC has a winning record vs Stephano and is the best PvZer, he'll crush Stephano and win NASL!" Stephano wins NASL "MC has been losing to zergs non stop lately, he doesn't stand a chance vs DRG!" MC wins 3-0 etc etc.
I guess you didn't read MC's post game interview vs DRG.
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On July 22 2012 11:31 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 11:26 HolyArrow wrote:On July 22 2012 11:24 Dosey wrote:On July 22 2012 11:22 vthree wrote:
Teamkill tomorrow between First and Losira... First just owning terrans left and right 8-1 vs TOP, PuMa, Ganzi, aLive. Sadly, he got 2-0d by a Euro zerg... Doesn't bode well for him vs Losira, unless jetlag played a role somehow. He 2-0'd Coca recently in an online cup, if that means anything to you. No.. it doesn't. Don't know why people bring up past results to try and justify something. "Stephano sucks vs zerg, especially Nerchio! He is doomed!" Stephano wins "MC has a winning record vs Stephano and is the best PvZer, he'll crush Stephano and win NASL!" Stephano wins NASL "MC has been losing to zergs non stop lately, he doesn't stand a chance vs DRG!" MC wins 3-0 etc etc.
Lol the only results that exist are past results. So what do you suggest people do to justify things if past results don't matter?
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Past results mean nothing in SC2 since you got patches, spoiled brats, and whiners.
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On July 22 2012 11:32 m0ck wrote:
Yeah, it really is worth remembering that the best zergs (and the best zerg late-games) are all players who are extremely fast. Losira, DRG, Symbol & Stephano all rock 400 apm. There's a reason why so few can do it and why zerg-players are so prone to making mistakes.
Stephano has quite a bit less APM than those other zergs. It's widely known that Stephano's only weakness is his mechanics. He's a prodigy in everything else which is what makes him great
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On July 22 2012 11:58 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 11:31 Dosey wrote:On July 22 2012 11:26 HolyArrow wrote:On July 22 2012 11:24 Dosey wrote:On July 22 2012 11:22 vthree wrote:
Teamkill tomorrow between First and Losira... First just owning terrans left and right 8-1 vs TOP, PuMa, Ganzi, aLive. Sadly, he got 2-0d by a Euro zerg... Doesn't bode well for him vs Losira, unless jetlag played a role somehow. He 2-0'd Coca recently in an online cup, if that means anything to you. No.. it doesn't. Don't know why people bring up past results to try and justify something. "Stephano sucks vs zerg, especially Nerchio! He is doomed!" Stephano wins "MC has a winning record vs Stephano and is the best PvZer, he'll crush Stephano and win NASL!" Stephano wins NASL "MC has been losing to zergs non stop lately, he doesn't stand a chance vs DRG!" MC wins 3-0 etc etc. Lol the only results that exist are past results. So what do you suggest people do to justify things if past results don't matter?
Current results and form like the one I stated before you made your (seemingly sarcastic) remark about coca.
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On July 22 2012 12:09 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 11:58 HolyArrow wrote:On July 22 2012 11:31 Dosey wrote:On July 22 2012 11:26 HolyArrow wrote:On July 22 2012 11:24 Dosey wrote:On July 22 2012 11:22 vthree wrote:
Teamkill tomorrow between First and Losira... First just owning terrans left and right 8-1 vs TOP, PuMa, Ganzi, aLive. Sadly, he got 2-0d by a Euro zerg... Doesn't bode well for him vs Losira, unless jetlag played a role somehow. He 2-0'd Coca recently in an online cup, if that means anything to you. No.. it doesn't. Don't know why people bring up past results to try and justify something. "Stephano sucks vs zerg, especially Nerchio! He is doomed!" Stephano wins "MC has a winning record vs Stephano and is the best PvZer, he'll crush Stephano and win NASL!" Stephano wins NASL "MC has been losing to zergs non stop lately, he doesn't stand a chance vs DRG!" MC wins 3-0 etc etc. Lol the only results that exist are past results. So what do you suggest people do to justify things if past results don't matter? Current results like the one I stated before you made your (seemingly sarcastic) remark about coca.
Technically all current results are in the past. What do you define as current? Also, whatever your definition is, First 2-0ing Coca was yesterday according to Liquipedia. I also didn't intend any sarcasm in my remark.
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