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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On July 16 2012 13:30 TAMinator wrote: Will there be a rebroadcast? I knew the front page of TL would spoil the results >.> Imagine that: the world's premiere exports talking about one of the biggest events of the summer. Sorry for the spoilers bro. Sick event. Stephano is a true superstar. | ||
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BigFoig
Canada52 Posts
On July 16 2012 11:32 Alryk wrote: Ok, you're right. Each race isn't EXACTLY the same in difficulty. If you could quantify it anyways. My opinion is that zerg is not the easiest to play. I play protoss. Each race has a different skillset that you need to master. Zerg is so mechanically difficult that players with excellent mechanics like Stephano and DRG are going to find it easy to maintain their skill because they're practically born with an affinity for it. Not that I don't believe you, but can you source all of that? I think I do remember reading something about MVP playing zerg as his off race, but I also think that MVP would still not perform as well as he does if he switched to zerg. Otherwise, why wouldn't he? Early on in his career he wanted to earn as much money as possible to help his family, so if he can earn more by playing zerg, he should. The way I see it, if any of the races was noticeably, quantifiably easier to play in every way than the others, all of the successful players would play that race (funny that was terran for a while, you never answered my question about GSL terran dominance  ). That doesn't happen because different players excel at different parts of the game. I'm pretty sure that in MC's days of dominance, FF was insanely overpowered and protoss was easy to play. Then MVP came, and zerg required a ton of skill. Now, terran and protoss are clearly underpowered because Stephano won NASL, the stars are lined up with the sun, and let's not forget MVP winning the last GSL. That one was very important for zerg being an easier race to play. In my opinion, the reason behind the terran dominance of GSL was because terran users in korea have a much high skill ceiling compared to the other races in the early parts of the game and also because terran had builds that would abuse the metagame such as five rax reaper which would out right kill zerg and also the imbalance of maps that would limit the ability of a zerg to play into their strengths. Now that the game has evolved so much throughout these two years and patches have changed and the players of other races (protoss and zerg) are increasing in skill level, it can be better seen as to which race is slightly easier or harder. Now that the maps are much bigger and the metagame is more macro oriented, the strength of zerg is shown and also the tasks that the other races in order to beat zerg is shown more clearly as well. Now that the build orders are more shown in other races, it can be seen that the terran dominance is lowering significantly and the other race players are learning how to play. The reason MVP won the latest GSL wasnt because of race advantage, it was because he was the better player with better decisions. Many people agree with the fact that terran requires the most skill to play and reaps the most benefit out of it. Also addressing the MC winning with FF, it wasnt because it was OP, it was because it was innovative and not many people were used to the style so zergs didn't know how to respond, now in the metagame FF is completely normal and many zergs are just playing way greedier into the most powerful composition of infestor brood lord. You saying that if the race difficulty is noticeable, than all the pros would use that race is ignorant. Its not the race diffculty that dictates them to play the race, its stylistic opinion and also their interest in which race they have. You saying that is very shallow and a bad counter argument to the above writer. Also, you didn't factor in the time you spend on the race and it cant be said that a person will be better with what other race they are not maining because that is irrelvent to discuss and is too theoretical that will not lead to any answer that will solve and problem that you are arguing about. | ||
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eksert
France656 Posts
Question: what do u say to code s koreans? Step: i am coming. | ||
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eksert
France656 Posts
On July 16 2012 13:48 eksert wrote: Question: what do u say to code s koreans? Step: i am coming. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4k5JoAGiVCM | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17381 Posts
as it is .... NASL did a pretty good job on a limited budget. | ||
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
On July 16 2012 13:26 Forikorder wrote: most of the real Code S players dont have time to participate in foreign events look at the people like NesTea who are always Code S, these are the amazing players there area few Code S players every season who arent really code S level but Ro16 onwards is the REAL code S players give or take a couple also its extremely rare for someone to go from code s to code b in one season :/ With the current set up, Code S is extremely volatile. You can just say someone's not Code S level just because they are not in code S right now. Two seasons ago symbol is no where, and right now MMA is also no where. HerO was ro8, now he's in Code A. There is no way you can judge someone to say he's not really code S just because he's out of it for a season. | ||
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
On July 16 2012 10:24 RainSunShowers wrote: Well, he beat a player who is in the Ro4 in the current GSL. Well, it's not like his recognition means anything. "Stephano, imcomplet doesn't recognize your skill because you are not in code s" "Awww, I'm so sad that a random nobody doesn't appreciate my skill. Now I'm gonna cry depite winning 50k dollars and banging a hot blonde." | ||
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Rinnegan5
Netherlands319 Posts
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farnham
1378 Posts
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
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TT_Bennett
Canada117 Posts
On July 16 2012 14:36 darthfoley wrote: was combat ex at WCS/NASL? :o i saw a pic of him playing scarlett... yah i set up a "show match" of them playing each other. Combat was also giving autographs and taking pictures with fans | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On July 16 2012 10:52 jj33 wrote: Where do you see 100% sure? But yes, if he plays for, say, 3 years, in the GSL, with GSL seasons being at least as often as this year (+ additional GSL title events like the WC, Blizzcup etc); then the amount of opportunities he'd get would be enough that if he keeps his relevant strength - which, let's not kid ourselves, is significant even if we disregard that Zerg is currently doing well - then the probability of him ending up with at least one championship seems higher than not ending up with one. Even with TBLS & Co. in the picture soon.You don't know that. About him winning championship. there are tons of insane players in gsl. with more new talent in korea coming up and the BW veterans coming, it's just going to get harder and harder. Stephano I feel would do well in GSL now, but to say he'll win a gsl championship 100% is foolish It's a whole different story that the GSL in itself might not live that long though... we'll see how the OSL vs GSL would develop, and which one would end up the more respected one in 2-3 years. Currently, it's still the GSL, of course. | ||
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gTank
Austria2603 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
I hope you do well next season in Code S. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
Stephano´s last 30 Lan tournament games if anyone was interested since it pretty insane Stephano vs Alicia 4-0 Stephano vs MC 4-2 Stephano vs Hero 3-1 Stephano vs Mana 0-2 Stephano vs Nerchio 2-0 Stephano vs Keen 2-0 Stephano vs Huk 2-0 Stephano vs Morrow 2-0 Stephano vs Slivko 0-2 Stephano vs Puma 2-0 Stephano vs Daisy 2-0 Stephano vs Freizy 2-0 Stephano vs Sase 1-2 Stephano vs MKP 1-2 Stephano vs Rain 2-1 Stephano vs JYP 2-0 Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 2-0 Stephano vs Polt 2-1 Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1 Stephano vs MC 2-3 Stephano vs Parting 2-0 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 2-1 Stephano vs Violet 0-2(Hangover) Stephano vs Symbol 0-2(Hangover) Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs MC 2-0 Stephano vs Ret 2-0 Stephano vs Ryung 2-0 76.6% win ratio o.0 | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On July 16 2012 14:25 farnham wrote: so after two top 2 finishes in big events i believe its safe to say alicia will get the code s seed rite? I hope so, but I doubt it. Stephano, Mana and Nerchio have all won premier events as well. But what puts them over is that they are foreigners and that they can draw more viewers. I'm personally a big Alicia fan, but Alicia fans are scarce. Alicia has shown very strong consistent performances in foreign tournaments, which is great for him. But he hasn't won a premier event, and he is unlikely to draw the huge viewership numbers that the GSL wants. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7595 Posts
From what I gathered everyone seemed quite happy by eSports Canada.....perhaps we will get some more in the future! Sad news though - I only got a Rotterdam signature all weekend ><. Quite unlucky, I know. | ||
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
On July 16 2012 15:30 Slardar wrote: Amazing event, the fans were GREAT. All the casters had to do was say "Canada" and the place would on que erupt in cheering. From what I gathered everyone seemed quite happy by eSports Canada.....perhaps we will get some more in the future! Sad news though - I only got a Rotterdam signature all weekend ><. Quite unlucky, I know. I missed the finals. The results look pretty boring, but were the games good at least? (Worth watching the VODs?) | ||
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
On July 16 2012 15:38 MrSexington wrote: I missed the finals. The results look pretty boring, but were the games good at least? (Worth watching the VODs?) It's worth it if you want to watch perfect engagements, calm game play, and be in awe of how fucking unbelievably good Stephano is. Some of the fights he took felt like a 100% loss until he comes out ahead. Otherwise, no. Alicia didn't play bad, Stephano just looked one level above him at all times. It wasn't even close. | ||
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