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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
July 16 2012 02:36 GMT
#5521
On July 16 2012 11:35 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 11:30 Zzoram wrote:
On July 16 2012 11:26 Alryk wrote:

Personally, I think Naniwa and Stephano are equal in skill.


I don't think we can judge this until we get them to play each other.


Their 'skill' is referring to their overall ability as pro players in ALL matchups. A 1v1 would only test their ZvP.


It is the only match up you can make a direct comparison for. It's still important.
ShAdZ_ZX
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia635 Posts
July 16 2012 02:37 GMT
#5522
On July 16 2012 11:35 Elairec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 11:33 00Visor wrote:
On July 16 2012 11:30 Zzoram wrote:
On July 16 2012 11:26 Alryk wrote:

Personally, I think Naniwa and Stephano are equal in skill.


I don't think we can judge this until we get them to play each other.


IMO not.
That would only be one matchup. PvZ is probably Naniwas weakest and Stephanos strongest.


So you want them to play all the matchups? O.o


The only way to judge is to compare their results against others, not each other.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
July 16 2012 02:37 GMT
#5523
On July 16 2012 11:35 Elairec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 11:33 00Visor wrote:
On July 16 2012 11:30 Zzoram wrote:
On July 16 2012 11:26 Alryk wrote:

Personally, I think Naniwa and Stephano are equal in skill.


I don't think we can judge this until we get them to play each other.


IMO not.
That would only be one matchup. PvZ is probably Naniwas weakest and Stephanos strongest.


So you want them to play all the matchups? O.o


Actually, GSL season 3 requires you to play a different race each set in order to determine who the better player truly is, so I guess we don't have to worry about that. We actually could know who the best of the two is.
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 16 2012 02:38 GMT
#5524
Congratulations to Stephano. Not to surprising to see him 4-0 Alicia after beating much stronger PvZ players in Hero and MC. Good luck when you go to Korea soon
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ShAdZ_ZX
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia635 Posts
July 16 2012 02:42 GMT
#5525
On July 16 2012 11:36 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 11:35 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
On July 16 2012 11:30 Zzoram wrote:
On July 16 2012 11:26 Alryk wrote:

Personally, I think Naniwa and Stephano are equal in skill.


I don't think we can judge this until we get them to play each other.


Their 'skill' is referring to their overall ability as pro players in ALL matchups. A 1v1 would only test their ZvP.


It is the only match up you can make a direct comparison for. It's still important.


Ok, put it this way. If Stephano 3-1'd Naniwa in a Bo5, that in no way makes Stephano more 'skilled' than Naniwa.

A better way to judge it would be to put them in a 4 player group with MKP and DRG, have each player play each other in a Bo5 and see which of the two comes out ahead.

That would by no means be a true indication, there's tons of factors that make it impossible to determine if the results are a 100% reflection of skill (players not always playing to their true potential, slight map imbalances, luck, etc).
ShAdZ_ZX
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia635 Posts
July 16 2012 02:48 GMT
#5526
On July 16 2012 11:37 Alryk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 11:35 Elairec wrote:
On July 16 2012 11:33 00Visor wrote:
On July 16 2012 11:30 Zzoram wrote:
On July 16 2012 11:26 Alryk wrote:

Personally, I think Naniwa and Stephano are equal in skill.


I don't think we can judge this until we get them to play each other.


IMO not.
That would only be one matchup. PvZ is probably Naniwas weakest and Stephanos strongest.


So you want them to play all the matchups? O.o


Actually, GSL season 3 requires you to play a different race each set in order to determine who the better player truly is, so I guess we don't have to worry about that. We actually could know who the best of the two is.


Not really. That would be assuming the other races they played were all of equal skill as each other as well. Not to mention not every group offered mirror matchups.
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
July 16 2012 02:49 GMT
#5527
its ok stephano goes to korea soon enough. lets see if he can make code s ro8 twice in a row.
PhothreeniX
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada161 Posts
July 16 2012 02:49 GMT
#5528
On July 16 2012 11:21 Kull of Atlantis wrote:
it is so laughable that the guy drinking and enjoying his championship not giving a shit, but you are all arguing fighting insulting each other for pages over a scenario.

On July 16 2012 11:24 Snusmumriken wrote:
reading this thread is like being back in primary-school arguing whos brother is the oldest and strongest.

QFT

You all are fucking disrespectful assholes. Seriously, pathetic. Quit your fucking whining and arguing and post something relevant.


ON TOPIC:

I just got home from the venue and this by far was the best finals I have ever seen. Even if it is the only one I have ever seen live you have to admit that there has never been a better ceremony for the victor. Between the champagne, dancing, the crowd, and the fact I got to stand on stage beside inControl and Idra (^_^), it was truly amazing.

A close second would be the Dreamhack Open in Stockholm when Thorzain was totally overwhelmed by the emotion.

This was much of the same, but Stephano embraced that emotion and let it all out on stage. That open display of love and excitement from Stephano, NASL, the casters, crew, and the crowd is the type of thing that the rest of the world needs to see. That is eSports.

I also have huge respect for NASL to have the balls to put the Grand Finals of ALL the tournaments in the spotlight today. Tribes, WCS: Canada, and CSL deserved to be in that spotlight, and the crowd treated them as such. If only you would do the same, then you might be a fan of eSports as a whole and not just elitist Starcraft 2 fans.

This obviously does not apply to every single person who posted in this thread, but it applies to the overwhelming majority of you, which is disappointing.

You may disagree with my opinion and statements and I respect that. Or you may agree with them, and I respect that even more. Hopefully you can respect my opinion regardless and continue to contribute something meaningful to this thread.

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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 16 2012 02:53 GMT
#5529
On July 16 2012 11:42 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 11:36 Zzoram wrote:
On July 16 2012 11:35 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
On July 16 2012 11:30 Zzoram wrote:
On July 16 2012 11:26 Alryk wrote:

Personally, I think Naniwa and Stephano are equal in skill.


I don't think we can judge this until we get them to play each other.


Their 'skill' is referring to their overall ability as pro players in ALL matchups. A 1v1 would only test their ZvP.


It is the only match up you can make a direct comparison for. It's still important.


Ok, put it this way. If Stephano 3-1'd Naniwa in a Bo5, that in no way makes Stephano more 'skilled' than Naniwa.

A better way to judge it would be to put them in a 4 player group with MKP and DRG, have each player play each other in a Bo5 and see which of the two comes out ahead.

That would by no means be a true indication, there's tons of factors that make it impossible to determine if the results are a 100% reflection of skill (players not always playing to their true potential, slight map imbalances, luck, etc).


A more simple argument is that a player's skill should be judged by the sum of his matchups. 1v1 only tests one matchup, and in this case, it happens to be Naniwa's worst and Stephano's best. If player X happened to be weak against player Y, player Y was weak against player Z, and player Z was weak against player X (due to varying skills in specific matchups or whatever), you'd be stuck in a triangle saying X > Y > Z > X and you'd get nowhere by comparing players in direct 1v1s.
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
July 16 2012 02:54 GMT
#5530
Home from day 2 it was fucking awesome, dance party ftw. Mr bitter loved the cookies we made and zoe and frodan had some as well while the rest were taken backstage for them. I got a hug from rotterdam and got to shake clutch's hand ^-^ ! Kinda sad alicia didn't come out after he lost, I would have cheered for his valiant effort. I need to write blog on monday detailing the awesomeness of the event and some of the weird but cool things like the passive agressive tech guy.
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
July 16 2012 03:00 GMT
#5531
On July 16 2012 11:54 ladyumbra wrote:
Home from day 2 it was fucking awesome, dance party ftw. Mr bitter loved the cookies we made and zoe and frodan had some as well while the rest were taken backstage for them. I got a hug from rotterdam and got to shake clutch's hand ^-^ ! Kinda sad alicia didn't come out after he lost, I would have cheered for his valiant effort. I need to write blog on monday detailing the awesomeness of the event and some of the weird but cool things like the passive agressive tech guy.


Must have been the sound technician hehe
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
July 16 2012 03:01 GMT
#5532
I got a video on stage during the "dance party" of Stephano dancing away (and kicking the NASL hostess, Lauren, in the head after being flipped upside by someone)

Twitter:


Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/wmgtx/stephano_dancing_on_stage_after_winning_the_nasl/

Plat Support Main #believe
PhothreeniX
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada161 Posts
July 16 2012 03:05 GMT
#5533
On July 16 2012 12:01 Jacmert wrote:
I got a video on stage during the "dance party" of Stephano dancing away (and kicking the NASL hostess, Lauren, in the head after being flipped upside by someone)

Twitter: https://twitter.com/Jacmert/status/224698949158703104

Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/wmgtx/stephano_dancing_on_stage_after_winning_the_nasl/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DYgV6woUWU


Uploading mine. You missed like 90% of the action mannn!!!
JazzJackrabbit
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1272 Posts
July 16 2012 03:09 GMT
#5534
On July 16 2012 11:49 PhothreeniX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 11:21 Kull of Atlantis wrote:
it is so laughable that the guy drinking and enjoying his championship not giving a shit, but you are all arguing fighting insulting each other for pages over a scenario.

Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 11:24 Snusmumriken wrote:
reading this thread is like being back in primary-school arguing whos brother is the oldest and strongest.

QFT

You all are fucking disrespectful assholes. Seriously, pathetic. Quit your fucking whining and arguing and post something relevant.


ON TOPIC:

I just got home from the venue and this by far was the best finals I have ever seen. Even if it is the only one I have ever seen live you have to admit that there has never been a better ceremony for the victor. Between the champagne, dancing, the crowd, and the fact I got to stand on stage beside inControl and Idra (^_^), it was truly amazing.

A close second would be the Dreamhack Open in Stockholm when Thorzain was totally overwhelmed by the emotion.

This was much of the same, but Stephano embraced that emotion and let it all out on stage. That open display of love and excitement from Stephano, NASL, the casters, crew, and the crowd is the type of thing that the rest of the world needs to see. That is eSports.

I also have huge respect for NASL to have the balls to put the Grand Finals of ALL the tournaments in the spotlight today. Tribes, WCS: Canada, and CSL deserved to be in that spotlight, and the crowd treated them as such. If only you would do the same, then you might be a fan of eSports as a whole and not just elitist Starcraft 2 fans.

This obviously does not apply to every single person who posted in this thread, but it applies to the overwhelming majority of you, which is disappointing.

You may disagree with my opinion and statements and I respect that. Or you may agree with them, and I respect that even more. Hopefully you can respect my opinion regardless and continue to contribute something meaningful to this thread.

I was there and agree with everything you say.
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
July 16 2012 03:13 GMT
#5535
On July 16 2012 11:49 PhothreeniX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 11:21 Kull of Atlantis wrote:
it is so laughable that the guy drinking and enjoying his championship not giving a shit, but you are all arguing fighting insulting each other for pages over a scenario.

Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 11:24 Snusmumriken wrote:
reading this thread is like being back in primary-school arguing whos brother is the oldest and strongest.

QFT

You all are fucking disrespectful assholes. Seriously, pathetic. Quit your fucking whining and arguing and post something relevant.


ON TOPIC:

I just got home from the venue and this by far was the best finals I have ever seen. Even if it is the only one I have ever seen live you have to admit that there has never been a better ceremony for the victor. Between the champagne, dancing, the crowd, and the fact I got to stand on stage beside inControl and Idra (^_^), it was truly amazing.

A close second would be the Dreamhack Open in Stockholm when Thorzain was totally overwhelmed by the emotion.

This was much of the same, but Stephano embraced that emotion and let it all out on stage. That open display of love and excitement from Stephano, NASL, the casters, crew, and the crowd is the type of thing that the rest of the world needs to see. That is eSports.

I also have huge respect for NASL to have the balls to put the Grand Finals of ALL the tournaments in the spotlight today. Tribes, WCS: Canada, and CSL deserved to be in that spotlight, and the crowd treated them as such. If only you would do the same, then you might be a fan of eSports as a whole and not just elitist Starcraft 2 fans.

This obviously does not apply to every single person who posted in this thread, but it applies to the overwhelming majority of you, which is disappointing.

You may disagree with my opinion and statements and I respect that. Or you may agree with them, and I respect that even more. Hopefully you can respect my opinion regardless and continue to contribute something meaningful to this thread.


this post is what we call... innocuous.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 16 2012 03:15 GMT
#5536
Two 4-0's as expected, guess I didn't miss much.

Congrats to Stephano finally winning a premier tournament this year!
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
July 16 2012 03:18 GMT
#5537
On July 16 2012 11:49 aintz wrote:
its ok stephano goes to korea soon enough. lets see if he can make code s ro8 twice in a row.



Nah, he'll go, he'll win the whole thing, collect his money, get drunk, fuck some Korean girls and go home in true Stephano fashion.
trenog
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada6 Posts
July 16 2012 03:20 GMT
#5538
On July 16 2012 12:05 PhothreeniX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 12:01 Jacmert wrote:
I got a video on stage during the "dance party" of Stephano dancing away (and kicking the NASL hostess, Lauren, in the head after being flipped upside by someone)

Twitter: https://twitter.com/Jacmert/status/224698949158703104

Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/wmgtx/stephano_dancing_on_stage_after_winning_the_nasl/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DYgV6woUWU


Uploading mine. You missed like 90% of the action mannn!!!


Truly, this is the better video:



johnny123
Profile Joined February 2012
521 Posts
July 16 2012 03:25 GMT
#5539
On July 16 2012 12:20 trenog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 12:05 PhothreeniX wrote:
On July 16 2012 12:01 Jacmert wrote:
I got a video on stage during the "dance party" of Stephano dancing away (and kicking the NASL hostess, Lauren, in the head after being flipped upside by someone)

Twitter: https://twitter.com/Jacmert/status/224698949158703104

Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/wmgtx/stephano_dancing_on_stage_after_winning_the_nasl/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DYgV6woUWU


Uploading mine. You missed like 90% of the action mannn!!!


Truly, this is the better video:

http://youtu.be/3DDpok5Uhi4




wayyy better, nice video
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trenog
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada6 Posts
July 16 2012 03:27 GMT
#5540
On July 16 2012 12:25 johnny123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 12:20 trenog wrote:
On July 16 2012 12:05 PhothreeniX wrote:
On July 16 2012 12:01 Jacmert wrote:
I got a video on stage during the "dance party" of Stephano dancing away (and kicking the NASL hostess, Lauren, in the head after being flipped upside by someone)

Twitter: https://twitter.com/Jacmert/status/224698949158703104

Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/wmgtx/stephano_dancing_on_stage_after_winning_the_nasl/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DYgV6woUWU


Uploading mine. You missed like 90% of the action mannn!!!


Truly, this is the better video:

http://youtu.be/3DDpok5Uhi4




wayyy better, nice video


Thanks. Sadly it's not in HD cause I clicked my camera setting the wrong way

Was happy that I didn't have the camera sideways for it at least!
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