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On July 15 2012 11:23 tranmillitary wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 11:18 apes wrote:
pretty telling of balance when a player like ret gets this far. I like Ret don't get me wrong, but i feel like he's miles behind top players. He's one of the best zerg foreigners but his micro is really lacking. I never get excited when watching his games in most part because he never does anything extraordinary. He plays standard all game. Zergs are really strong in the meta game right now, but after the next patch i feel like everything will be back to normal. If MVP, Byun, marineking were playing zerg with their crazy multi tasking... OMG they would be owning. I never see zergs multi task even though their race allows them to do so much.
Watch Symbol,DRG and Stephano.
Don't make stupid statement like that.
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On July 15 2012 11:23 tranmillitary wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 11:18 apes wrote:
pretty telling of balance when a player like ret gets this far. I like Ret don't get me wrong, but i feel like he's miles behind top players. He's one of the best zerg foreigners but his micro is really lacking. I never get excited when watching his games in most part because he never does anything extraordinary. He plays standard all game. Zergs are really strong in the meta game right now, but after the next patch i feel like everything will be back to normal. If MVP, Byun, marineking were playing zerg with their crazy multi tasking... OMG they would be owning. I never see zergs multi task even though their race allows them to do so much.
Watch Stephano and DRG when they defend against Terran drops and then tell me zergs dont multitask.
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On July 15 2012 11:22 refmac_cys.cys wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 11:20 Xxavi wrote:On July 15 2012 11:18 apes wrote:
pretty telling of balance when a player like ret gets this far. I am not going to say the game is not balanced, but it is dumb to see players win thanks to that mass broodlords. It seems the goal is to get there every game and then... But Alicia seems to have a solution for Ret. He just makes him multitask, which seems to be too much for Ret, and he ends up making terrible mistakes in the battle and get vortexed. Not arguing, but it's also dumb to see someone win just because they got a vortex off. I just don't like the dynamic. Hopefully we'll see more protoss going carriers!
But the vortex is good only against broodlords, so I cannot complain. If Zerg uses other strategies, we won't see mothership. Because broodlords are what they are, they force using mothership and vortex.
BTW, I think even with mothership and vortex, zergs with broodlords have an advantage unless they mess up. Zergs are doing well vs Protoss unless they are making mistakes like Ret is doing. You can get around vortex.
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On July 15 2012 11:22 refmac_cys.cys wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 11:20 Xxavi wrote:On July 15 2012 11:18 apes wrote:
pretty telling of balance when a player like ret gets this far. I am not going to say the game is not balanced, but it is dumb to see players win thanks to that mass broodlords. It seems the goal is to get there every game and then... But Alicia seems to have a solution for Ret. He just makes him multitask, which seems to be too much for Ret, and he ends up making terrible mistakes in the battle and get vortexed. Not arguing, but it's also dumb to see someone win just because they got a vortex off. I just don't like the dynamic. Hopefully we'll see more protoss going carriers!
Well if they don't go vortex... they lose. how are u gonna get close to BL/infestors/spines/lings. There is no answer.
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On July 15 2012 11:22 JacobShock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 11:20 MCDayC wrote:
Ret is supposed to be the mechanical macro zerg, but his multitasking and map awareness does not seem up to par, this is the 2nd game on Daybreak where drops have torn him apart. Players aren't perfect and sometimes they get nervous. Flustered, which can make them look worse. Whats with all the criticism on player skill being thrown around in this thread? They are just humans and they fuck up just like every other person.
It's called critisizm. It's what you get when you are a professional, and lose. It's not personal.
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Ret entering choke mode.
Stephano should be able to roll Alicia in the finals, ZvP all the way to victory I guess 
The series isn't over yet but Ret is not playing as well as he did in the first two games.
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On July 15 2012 11:24 aZealot wrote:
Wow, the OP is terrible at updating. Can someone please tell me the results of MC v Stephano and how Ret v Alicia is going? Info on Huk vs Alicia would also be cool.
Also, any thoughts on those games so far? Including Hero vs Stephano? Good, interesting games?
Thanks a bunch, guys.
Games were great, as always at NASL finals. You should not miss Stephano vs. MC. Some really awesome games.
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On July 15 2012 11:23 tranmillitary wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 11:18 apes wrote:
pretty telling of balance when a player like ret gets this far. I like Ret don't get me wrong, but i feel like he's miles behind top players. He's one of the best zerg foreigners but his micro is really lacking. I never get excited when watching his games in most part because he never does anything extraordinary. He plays standard all game. Zergs are really strong in the meta game right now, but after the next patch i feel like everything will be back to normal. If MVP, Byun, marineking were playing zerg with their crazy multi tasking... OMG they would be owning. I never see zergs multi task even though their race allows them to do so much.
What?? ZvP mid game vs. all about multi tasking, zerg player constantly engaging on multiple fronts while injecting and rallying roach/lings across the map into the main/natural. Not to mention if they have burrow.
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On July 15 2012 11:23 Barez wrote:
i want ret to win, but hate zvz lol :D
anything is better than another PvZ
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On July 15 2012 11:24 aZealot wrote:
Wow, the OP is terrible at updating. Can someone please tell me the results of MC v Stephano and how Ret v Alicia is going? Info on Huk vs Alicia would also be cool.
Also, any thoughts on those games so far? Including Hero vs Stephano? Good, interesting games?
Thanks a bunch, guys.
MC 2-4 Stephano if I'm not mistaken. Ret 2-2 Alicia right now.
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On July 15 2012 11:22 JacobShock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 11:20 MCDayC wrote:
Ret is supposed to be the mechanical macro zerg, but his multitasking and map awareness does not seem up to par, this is the 2nd game on Daybreak where drops have torn him apart. Players aren't perfect and sometimes they get nervous. Flustered, which can make them look worse. Whats with all the critism on player skill being thrown around in this thread? They are just humans and they fuck up just like every other person.
This is a consistent theme with Ret though, not just in this tournament. He lost a bunch of games against hero at DH the same way, and ditto for MC at HSCV.
Won't matter this game though, because Ret has elected to play on a map that makes it impossible for Protoss to get to lategame.
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On July 15 2012 11:22 refmac_cys.cys wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 11:20 Xxavi wrote:On July 15 2012 11:18 apes wrote:
pretty telling of balance when a player like ret gets this far. I am not going to say the game is not balanced, but it is dumb to see players win thanks to that mass broodlords. It seems the goal is to get there every game and then... But Alicia seems to have a solution for Ret. He just makes him multitask, which seems to be too much for Ret, and he ends up making terrible mistakes in the battle and get vortexed. Not arguing, but it's also dumb to see someone win just because they got a vortex off. I just don't like the dynamic. Hopefully we'll see more protoss going carriers!
Archon Toilet is a terrible mechanic, but it's really the only way to deal with mass Broodlord/Infestor army. As far as carriers go, have you seen the build time on carriers? It's basically impossible to get carriers up in the numbers where they actually become good.
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On July 15 2012 11:26 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 11:24 aZealot wrote:
Wow, the OP is terrible at updating. Can someone please tell me the results of MC v Stephano and how Ret v Alicia is going? Info on Huk vs Alicia would also be cool.
Also, any thoughts on those games so far? Including Hero vs Stephano? Good, interesting games?
Thanks a bunch, guys. MC 2-4 Stephano if I'm not mistaken. Ret 2-2 Alicia right now.
Again, is it really so hard to just log on to Liquipedia if op refuses to update? -.-
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Thanks darkness and iSunrise. Appreciated.
MC! Damn, imbazerg... 
(j/k)
Stephano should roll Alicia should Alicia make it through against Ret.
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On July 15 2012 11:25 the`postman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 11:23 tranmillitary wrote:On July 15 2012 11:18 apes wrote:
pretty telling of balance when a player like ret gets this far. I like Ret don't get me wrong, but i feel like he's miles behind top players. He's one of the best zerg foreigners but his micro is really lacking. I never get excited when watching his games in most part because he never does anything extraordinary. He plays standard all game. Zergs are really strong in the meta game right now, but after the next patch i feel like everything will be back to normal. If MVP, Byun, marineking were playing zerg with their crazy multi tasking... OMG they would be owning. I never see zergs multi task even though their race allows them to do so much. What?? ZvP mid game vs. all about multi tasking, zerg player constantly engaging on multiple fronts while injecting and rallying roach/lings across the map into the main/natural. Not to mention if they have burrow.
you mean drone up til 80 drones, than rally roaches or lings/mutas?? where as Terran's have 2 drops, hotkeying 3 different buildings to build MnM, dropships, tanks...
LOL it's really funny. Zergs just hotkey their hatches and they can build anythign they want. LOL
User was temp banned for this post.
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On July 15 2012 11:22 refmac_cys.cys wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 11:20 Xxavi wrote:On July 15 2012 11:18 apes wrote:
pretty telling of balance when a player like ret gets this far. I am not going to say the game is not balanced, but it is dumb to see players win thanks to that mass broodlords. It seems the goal is to get there every game and then... But Alicia seems to have a solution for Ret. He just makes him multitask, which seems to be too much for Ret, and he ends up making terrible mistakes in the battle and get vortexed. Not arguing, but it's also dumb to see someone win just because they got a vortex off. I just don't like the dynamic. Hopefully we'll see more protoss going carriers!
Carriers are beyond awful. Even though MC was massively ahead versus Nerchio in one of their games the entire time, he made like 10 carriers versus something like 20 broodlords with 0 corruptors and still lost them all. May as well make voidrays. This game would be much funner to watch if broodlords or infestors were slightly nerfed and maybe ultras slightly buffed to compensate, then we could have things like archon/immortal/storm versus ultralisk/infestor/ling/baneling.
That game was won before the archon toilet went off anyway. Imagine if zerg did that much damage to toss with drops, and toss did as terrible of an attack as Ret did on Alicia's fourth.
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I can barely hear Frodan. Did they tune his voice down or is he suddenly just speaking a lot quieter?
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On July 15 2012 11:27 tranmillitary wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 11:25 the`postman wrote:On July 15 2012 11:23 tranmillitary wrote:On July 15 2012 11:18 apes wrote:
pretty telling of balance when a player like ret gets this far. I like Ret don't get me wrong, but i feel like he's miles behind top players. He's one of the best zerg foreigners but his micro is really lacking. I never get excited when watching his games in most part because he never does anything extraordinary. He plays standard all game. Zergs are really strong in the meta game right now, but after the next patch i feel like everything will be back to normal. If MVP, Byun, marineking were playing zerg with their crazy multi tasking... OMG they would be owning. I never see zergs multi task even though their race allows them to do so much. What?? ZvP mid game vs. all about multi tasking, zerg player constantly engaging on multiple fronts while injecting and rallying roach/lings across the map into the main/natural. Not to mention if they have burrow. you mean drone up til 80 drones, than rally roaches or lings/mutas?? where as Terran's have 2 drops, hotkeying 3 different buildings to build MnM, dropships, tanks... LOL it's really funny. Zergs just hotkey their hatches and they can build anythign they want. LOL
Kinda like how Terran just hotkey their barracks and build anything they want?
You keep bashing on zerg imbalance in this thread. It's getting annoying.
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