On July 15 2012 09:12 Extenz wrote: after seeing this I can confirm that Creator is the best PvZ, he completely dominated Nerchio in the gigabyte finals, the guy who killed MC at HSC.
i think it was naniwa who said creator is the best protoss in korea, so that's understandable.
He's one of the best ladder Protoss for sure at least.
On July 15 2012 09:12 Extenz wrote: after seeing this I can confirm that Creator is the best PvZ, he completely dominated Nerchio in the gigabyte finals, the guy who killed MC at HSC.
But if Coca beat Creator in the GSTL, who has the "best" PvZ, then Coca has the best ZvP again? Transitive property is not applicable to Starcraft unfortunately
But Creator smashed Coca in IPL Fight Night so he takes the crown back again!
Can we stop this? ^_^ It is kinda funny but some people might take it seriously and turn it into an argument.
On July 15 2012 09:09 Fusilero wrote: "There is no protoss on this planet who can stop this guy" Mana begs to differ it appears.
I don't think Immortal all-inning twice in a row will work again...
I'm surprised at the lack of immortal all ins this tournament on a barely related note, I feel that puzzle's timing could have worked out on dual sight if he had immortals instead of void rays.
possibly because MC knows that Stephano knows how to hold it now?
Not just MC, as I said with puzzle his void ray all in nearly worked and watching it I thought that if it was immortals instead he could have broken through. That's just me though I play terran so my understanding of PvZ is ultra limited.
i think squirtle has the best PvZ cus hes one of the few tosses that looks unbeatable every time he goes for a zero-stalker carrier/storm/archon/mothership army
now only if squirtle would start making that his standard i would love him
On July 15 2012 09:11 Type|NarutO wrote: Stephano does not miss his injects EVER. A lesser skilled Zerg in terms of mechanics would be shut down against such a heavy allin from a good protoss. He had so many units, truly the swarm.
strange that a player of your caliber says Stephano never misses an inject when it's pretty common knowledge that Stephano actually does get supplyblocked at 1 point during a lot of games and doesn't hit every inject perfectly but straight up wins on insane decision making and unit control. Casters have noted that more then once the last few months.
Aye, a lot of the time you see his inject queens with 150-200 energy, even the one in the main with two hatcheries to inject (oftentimes macro hatchery there, too).
On July 15 2012 08:47 SarcasmMonster wrote: Why are there more MC fans than Stephano fans in the foreign-based forums
Because MC is much more likeable and nationalities are irrelevant when the player in question is a completely international player such as MC who even interacts in English all the time
Exactly.
Anyways, as much as I dislike Stephano, I was really impressed with his saving the lair during that first dt warp-in (when he pushed them away by messing up their pathing). That was pretty awesome.
Hoping MC can come back ♥
Even if you dislike him you gotta respect his high level of skill.
Yup. There's definitely a difference between liking/ disliking a pro-gamer/ player/ caster, and liking/ disliking their personality outside of the game.
On July 15 2012 09:11 BlackW0lf wrote: Did MC lose on purpose? All his action looked like that, movin when he had terrain advantage, holding stalkers at open against very few roaches while he had more stalks... Was that very bad playing or was he actually losing on purpose?
No, he is not losing on purpose. He is playing very fucking well, but overestimated the advantage he had and so pushed out with less FFs than he needed to finish Stephano off after killing a lot of drones and the lair with his DTs. MC is a player who understands timings and when and why you need to make timing attacks. It's just that this time his understanding faltered. Stephano barely defended that push in mid.
Yeah, MC will pretty much always choose the aggressive option when he can. Even when it's not the right choice, he can rely on his exceptional control to make it one for him where it might not be for pretty much any other player.
On July 15 2012 09:11 Type|NarutO wrote: Stephano does not miss his injects EVER. A lesser skilled Zerg in terms of mechanics would be shut down against such a heavy allin from a good protoss. He had so many units, truly the swarm.
strange that a player of your caliber says Stephano never misses an inject when it's pretty common knowledge that Stephano actually does get supplyblocked at 1 point during a lot of games and doesn't hit every inject perfectly but straight up wins on insane decision making and unit control. Casters have noted that more then once the last few months.
Most of the time when he's supply bloked he's low on money & then one the OL pops out he can decide whether he makes units or drones. It's not that punishing.
On July 15 2012 09:13 4ZakeN87 wrote: Well if Stephano wins the next game he will have gone 7-2 against Hero and MC. So not sure that it is an exaggeration that Stephano has an edge on every P on the planet.
Which players does clearly have better PvZ then MC and Hero?
There is none, Creator played great vs Nerchio but, but you can't say clearly better PvZ than MC and Hero.
On July 15 2012 09:11 Serinox wrote: It is so incredibly sad to see someone like Stephano be so good. Wish he would just disappear, maybe I could enjoy this final then.
"I wish this guy who I've decided I dislike would go away and stop being one of the best in the world at the game".
I hope you realise the absurdity of what you said.
What I'd REALLY like is for Stephano to do a bit of practice now and then. Considering how little he does, and he still convincingly takes sets off of the top Koreans. I think if he put a bit more work into it he'd happily be the Flash/JD of SC2 for a good long time.