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On July 06 2012 02:05 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 02:03 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 02:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 06 2012 02:01 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 02:00 Sp00ly wrote:On July 06 2012 01:59 Bagi wrote:
Mech so meh. When you lose with mech it looks awful. When mech wins it looks unstoppable. Can't think of an even-ish looking mech game. Byun vs Keen g3 <3 best mech game ever i think action wise. Maybe for mech vs non mech but the best mech game ever was Mvp vs Top on Daybreak totally agree. Nah that felt like Mvp just playing with TOP, putting on a show for the fans. While Keen vs Byun was a brutal match where both players were trying their upmost to stay in the running for the title.
Well, Mvp vs TOP the most incredible thing was the mirror build orders imo, looked like they had figured out tvt on daybreak. Tho spectator wise Keen/Byun was a better game.
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Naama's cheesing by playing standard
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On July 06 2012 02:07 zezamer wrote:
Naama's cheesing by playing standard
Protoss go 2 base all in every game, I dont think 2 base can be called cheese anymore.
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On July 06 2012 02:06 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 02:04 Bagi wrote:On July 06 2012 02:02 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 02:01 Bagi wrote:On July 06 2012 02:00 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 01:59 MCDayC wrote:
T_T pure mech doesn't work. Tank support for bio maybe, but that just fails. ST-Hack vs Creator on daybreak and Lure on Ohana. Ghost/Mech (like 3ghosts in the mid-early late game) TSL4Q9. Oh please, he won the games against a clearly inferior opponent (Lure) who lost a ton of probes to hellions. Creator beat his mech style handily. with a 5tanks kill DT... and handily LOL. He outmacroed creator in mid/late game before getting one bad engagement >< One bad engagement? More like he got one good engagement that almost allowed him to kill an expo and lost every other. I don't know why I'm even arguing with someone who thinks a handful of games proves that mech is viable, when it looked so fragile even in those games. not saying it's ultimately viable. but the fact you don't know shit about tvp is sure if you think creator was hanidly winning that game. He had one moment where he looked weak because he allowed Hack to get a perfect engagement. He still ended up winning it with a huge bank, mech is garbage.
you know what. Bio is the same lategame. You need one perfect engagement and not fucking up. Where is the difference in lategame ? 5kills dt turned out the game, cause it killed the perfect positionning of hack, not the bank or everything else.
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On July 06 2012 02:06 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 02:05 Blaec wrote:On July 06 2012 02:03 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 02:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 06 2012 02:01 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 02:00 Sp00ly wrote:On July 06 2012 01:59 Bagi wrote:
Mech so meh. When you lose with mech it looks awful. When mech wins it looks unstoppable. Can't think of an even-ish looking mech game. Byun vs Keen g3 <3 best mech game ever i think action wise. Maybe for mech vs non mech but the best mech game ever was Mvp vs Top on Daybreak totally agree. Nah that felt like Mvp just playing with TOP, putting on a show for the fans. While Keen vs Byun was a brutal match where both players were trying their upmost to stay in the running for the title. Well, Mvp vs TOP the most incredible thing was the mirror build orders imo, looked like they had figured out tvt on daybreak. Tho spectator wise Keen/Byun was a better game.
True I forgot how exactly mirrored their games were for so long that was very cool. But by the end it felt like Mvp dragged it out.
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On July 06 2012 02:08 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 02:06 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 02:05 Blaec wrote:On July 06 2012 02:03 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 02:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 06 2012 02:01 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 02:00 Sp00ly wrote:On July 06 2012 01:59 Bagi wrote:
Mech so meh. When you lose with mech it looks awful. When mech wins it looks unstoppable. Can't think of an even-ish looking mech game. Byun vs Keen g3 <3 best mech game ever i think action wise. Maybe for mech vs non mech but the best mech game ever was Mvp vs Top on Daybreak totally agree. Nah that felt like Mvp just playing with TOP, putting on a show for the fans. While Keen vs Byun was a brutal match where both players were trying their upmost to stay in the running for the title. Well, Mvp vs TOP the most incredible thing was the mirror build orders imo, looked like they had figured out tvt on daybreak. Tho spectator wise Keen/Byun was a better game. True I forgot how exactly mirrored their games were for so long that was very cool. But by the end it felt like Mvp dragged it out.
15/16 minutes if i remeber, until the transition in sky terran if i'm not mistaken.
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Those were the polar opposite of "good forcefields".
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On July 06 2012 02:08 Ryps wrote: Protoss go 2 base all in every game, I dont think 2 base can be called cheese anymore.
Well, "cheese" is a strat that does lose you the game 100% if it fails, and wins you the game 100% if it works out.
So.... :D
But I know what you're saying 
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Im really enjoying Naama's games, not the highest level, but super entertaining unorthodox play.
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Is anyone else twitching at the sight of that 10hp medivac with a crapton of energy?
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On July 06 2012 02:09 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 02:08 Blaec wrote:On July 06 2012 02:06 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 02:05 Blaec wrote:On July 06 2012 02:03 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 02:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 06 2012 02:01 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 02:00 Sp00ly wrote:On July 06 2012 01:59 Bagi wrote:
Mech so meh. When you lose with mech it looks awful. When mech wins it looks unstoppable. Can't think of an even-ish looking mech game. Byun vs Keen g3 <3 best mech game ever i think action wise. Maybe for mech vs non mech but the best mech game ever was Mvp vs Top on Daybreak totally agree. Nah that felt like Mvp just playing with TOP, putting on a show for the fans. While Keen vs Byun was a brutal match where both players were trying their upmost to stay in the running for the title. Well, Mvp vs TOP the most incredible thing was the mirror build orders imo, looked like they had figured out tvt on daybreak. Tho spectator wise Keen/Byun was a better game. True I forgot how exactly mirrored their games were for so long that was very cool. But by the end it felt like Mvp dragged it out. 15/16 minutes if i remeber, until the transition in sky terran if i'm not mistaken.
Sounds right, it was an amazing moment.
Naama is scaring me, playing standard.
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On July 06 2012 02:10 tianGO wrote:
Im really enjoying Naama's games, not the highest level, but super entertaining unorthodox play.
I think Naama played this game as good as any other player ever plays standard TvP so far. Keeping his macro up, building the right units, being ahead in every aspect of the game and staying active with the small group of MMM for the whole game, denying scouts, killing units and pylons and microing it very well
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Its funny because it seems like Naama plays standard pretty damn well. I wonder why he usually refuses to do it :D
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On July 06 2012 02:08 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 02:06 Bagi wrote:On July 06 2012 02:04 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 02:04 Bagi wrote:On July 06 2012 02:02 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 02:01 Bagi wrote:On July 06 2012 02:00 sAsImre wrote:On July 06 2012 01:59 MCDayC wrote:
T_T pure mech doesn't work. Tank support for bio maybe, but that just fails. ST-Hack vs Creator on daybreak and Lure on Ohana. Ghost/Mech (like 3ghosts in the mid-early late game) TSL4Q9. Oh please, he won the games against a clearly inferior opponent (Lure) who lost a ton of probes to hellions. Creator beat his mech style handily. with a 5tanks kill DT... and handily LOL. He outmacroed creator in mid/late game before getting one bad engagement >< One bad engagement? More like he got one good engagement that almost allowed him to kill an expo and lost every other. I don't know why I'm even arguing with someone who thinks a handful of games proves that mech is viable, when it looked so fragile even in those games. not saying it's ultimately viable. but the fact you don't know shit about tvp is sure if you think creator was hanidly winning that game. He had one moment where he looked weak because he allowed Hack to get a perfect engagement. He still ended up winning it with a huge bank, mech is garbage. you know what. Bio is the same lategame. You need one perfect engagement and not fucking up. Where is the difference in lategame ? 5kills dt turned out the game, cause it killed the perfect positionning of hack, not the bank or everything else.
Huge difference, there's time for reaction using bio, you can micro your way out of many situations where mech would be already dead, whilst if you look away for even one second, unsiege one too many tanks, or move your hellions a little bit to the side, or etc. your army gets blown to pieces in 2 sec, MMVG is hard to control, mech is way harder,
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On July 06 2012 02:12 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 02:10 tianGO wrote:
Im really enjoying Naama's games, not the highest level, but super entertaining unorthodox play. I think Naama played this game as good as any other player ever plays standard TvP so far. Keeping his macro up, building the right units, being ahead in every aspect of the game and staying active with the small group of MMM for the whole game, denying scouts, killing units and pylons and microing it very well
quite better actually considering his position now :D
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On July 06 2012 02:13 Bibbit wrote:
Its funny because it seems like Naama plays standard pretty damn well. I wonder why he usually refuses to do it :D
Yeah im thinking the same :D
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Maybe Naama should play """normally""" a bit more often, that was quite beautiful.
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