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On June 28 2012 21:49 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 21:49 andaylin wrote:On June 28 2012 21:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 28 2012 21:45 andaylin wrote:On June 28 2012 21:42 Fragile51 wrote:On June 28 2012 21:41 noddy wrote:On June 28 2012 21:38 Moskau wrote:On June 28 2012 21:32 ZenithM wrote:On June 28 2012 21:28 Moskau wrote:On June 28 2012 21:27 ZenithM wrote:
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You mean "watch Polt's Code A TvZ"? You mean watch MKP Code A matches? You realize he goes to Code A because he lost in the group right? He's still placed higher than Polt bro. I don't get the MKP-Polt comparison, it's pretty clear who the better player is. Polt is essentially even with Stephano or a bit lower with the new metagame. MKP trashed Stephano at MLG last time. If by trashed you mean almost lost? MKP is still a gimmicky player, 15 cc or all-in, that's all he does. Anyway bro, the facts are you were saying Polt was bad compared to MKP because hes in code a, somewhat unfortunate considering MKP literally just got knocked down into code a. He's not in Code A. Get your facts straight, please. He's also the player who has probably the most builds out of any player but yeah, he's definitely "gimmicky" rofl. He is in Code A, get your facts straight please >_> He is not. I don't understand why people don't understand Gsl after so many seasons with this format Marineking is in Code A..... He got 4th place in the ro16. You get dropped to the 3rd round of Code A. If you win you are directly back into code S. if you lose, you go to up and downs Except you are not in code a officially until you lose up and downs. You realize this is how nestea got his award? you are not in code a officially the NEXT season but THIS season he is in code A. Nestea got the award for starting every season in Code S
I love how he doesn't respond to this...
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On June 28 2012 21:47 soverRR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 21:46 Testuser wrote:On June 28 2012 21:44 -TesteR- wrote:On June 28 2012 21:42 Testuser wrote:On June 28 2012 21:42 -TesteR- wrote:
8-2 Squirtle and 7-1 Symbol on daybreak 15-3? o.O? Their winrates on the map. 1-1? Total GSL games, not just this round.
18?
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What do you do vs that? Rush to 200/200 roaches -> force them into Protoss throat -> win?
I see no way of defending this without blind hardcounter, am i wrong?
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8 gate blink robo on 2 base is really all-in... if you then decide to get 3rd without even attacking to do damage don't be surprised if you get crushed.
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On June 28 2012 21:49 Serelitz wrote:
How do you stop this? Symbol's strat looks so disgustingly strong.
drop tech is disgustingly long to tech and expensive. Also risky
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Awesome build, I'll absolutely steal that for my ladder games  drop tech doesn't work most of the time, but when it does, it looks freaking awesome.
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On June 28 2012 21:51 -Kira wrote:
What do you do vs that? Rush to 200/200 roaches -> force them into Protoss throat -> win?
I see no way of defending this without blind hardcounter, am i wrong?
This is why there are so many 2 base all-ins for PvZ
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i missed the game, i assumed squirtle did a fast 3rd base and symbol hard countered with a mass roach drop(like he does everytime).
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On June 28 2012 21:49 Mozdk wrote:
This is why P does all ins vs z
LOL, or, you can not tech, get 8 gate, robo and twilight before you take your immensely delayed 3rd... autolose strat right there. Not even 4gate pressure to start....
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On June 28 2012 21:49 IMPrime wrote:
for people who say to make ghosts
emp vs fungal is very similar to emp vs storm
EMP is only useful against the spellcasters (in tvp it does take off shields, but it's not a whole lot aside from the stalkers and immortals).
fungal/storm is useful against everything
this increases the difficulty in getting the EMP in time before the other spellcasters do something
"I refuse to use Ghosts because they only counter the caster unit that is the centrepiece and most important part of the Zerg army and that unit has skills which work on more things than the Ghosts, so Ghosts suck"
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On June 28 2012 21:51 -Kira wrote:
What do you do vs that? Rush to 200/200 roaches -> force them into Protoss throat -> win?
I see no way of defending this without blind hardcounter, am i wrong?
Kill zerg with some 2base timing
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no sim city at 3rd becuase of the 8 gates in main lost him the game.. probably some probe cutting also from 8 gate thing
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On June 28 2012 21:51 -Kira wrote:
What do you do vs that? Rush to 200/200 roaches -> force them into Protoss throat -> win?
I see no way of defending this without blind hardcounter, am i wrong?
It's very very tough to the point of some people saying drops might have to be moved to Hive because It's too strong. ( this would also help mech vs roach max drop )
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On June 28 2012 21:50 bokchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 21:49 Talionis wrote:
How the hell do you stop this build? >_< Don't go 8 gate + robo into a 3rd Nexus? I don't know if Squirtle was trying to mind game Symbol, or if he was just indecisive...
No Squirtle's build there is good, just gets hard countered by roach max + drops.
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On June 28 2012 21:50 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 21:49 andaylin wrote:On June 28 2012 21:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 28 2012 21:45 andaylin wrote:On June 28 2012 21:42 Fragile51 wrote:On June 28 2012 21:41 noddy wrote:On June 28 2012 21:38 Moskau wrote:On June 28 2012 21:32 ZenithM wrote:On June 28 2012 21:28 Moskau wrote:On June 28 2012 21:27 ZenithM wrote:
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You mean "watch Polt's Code A TvZ"? You mean watch MKP Code A matches? You realize he goes to Code A because he lost in the group right? He's still placed higher than Polt bro. I don't get the MKP-Polt comparison, it's pretty clear who the better player is. Polt is essentially even with Stephano or a bit lower with the new metagame. MKP trashed Stephano at MLG last time. If by trashed you mean almost lost? MKP is still a gimmicky player, 15 cc or all-in, that's all he does. Anyway bro, the facts are you were saying Polt was bad compared to MKP because hes in code a, somewhat unfortunate considering MKP literally just got knocked down into code a. He's not in Code A. Get your facts straight, please. He's also the player who has probably the most builds out of any player but yeah, he's definitely "gimmicky" rofl. He is in Code A, get your facts straight please >_> He is not. I don't understand why people don't understand Gsl after so many seasons with this format Marineking is in Code A..... He got 4th place in the ro16. You get dropped to the 3rd round of Code A. If you win you are directly back into code S. if you lose, you go to up and downs Except you are not in code a officially until you lose up and downs. You realize this is how nestea got his award? Because he started every season in Code S. MKP has to play in Code A this season. This is not a very difficult concept.
No it is not and I'm glad you understand it.
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People talked about the Roach max with drop being impossible to hold, and IDK, it might be true
At least it requires skill to execute, and is risky to the zerg, although it might be hard to hold, at least it promotes micro on both sides.
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On June 28 2012 21:51 -Kira wrote:
What do you do vs that? Rush to 200/200 roaches -> force them into Protoss throat -> win?
I see no way of defending this without blind hardcounter, am i wrong?
Basically. Drops make FF useless, and FF is needed to hold that, unless you just go Stargate every game. I think Squirtle should have just gone with the 2 base all in again.
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On June 28 2012 21:50 bokchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 21:49 Talionis wrote:
How the hell do you stop this build? >_< Don't go 8 gate + robo into a 3rd Nexus? I don't know if Squirtle was trying to mind game Symbol, or if he was just indecisive...
I assume he was trying to go for it, but decided not to after it was scouted. But his build was so inefficient for a macro game and he just ended up so far behind.
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Need a zerg in dat ro8
You can do ettttttt SYMBOL!!!!!
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EPT
