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On June 28 2012 21:51 -Kira wrote:
What do you do vs that? Rush to 200/200 roaches -> force them into Protoss throat -> win?
I see no way of defending this without blind hardcounter, am i wrong?
If that was true Symbol would've 2-0'd his first match too.
I don't want to spend this thread theorycrafting but there have been some builds here that are based around beating maxed roaches. It's not really a blind counter because there are a lot of indicators of 200/200 roaches (3rd base, late gases, etc.)
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Nuuu MKP 
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On June 28 2012 21:51 fixed_point wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 21:51 -Kira wrote:
What do you do vs that? Rush to 200/200 roaches -> force them into Protoss throat -> win?
I see no way of defending this without blind hardcounter, am i wrong? This is why there are so many 2 base all-ins for PvZ
Doesn't answer my question
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On June 28 2012 21:51 rothsbury wrote:
8 gate blink robo on 2 base is really all-in... if you then decide to get 3rd without even attacking to do damage don't be surprised if you get crushed.
People who think that start was unbeatable, read this man's words.
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Poland9331 Posts
Robo and Twilight into expansion just doesn't work. At least not on Daybreak.
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Just got back and checked the scores, and I get the sweetest possible gift: MKP out in the ro16. Yesssssssssss.
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On June 28 2012 21:50 Havik_ wrote:
People talked about the Roach max with drop being impossible to hold, and IDK, it might be true.
1) Squirtle did retarded build.
2) You need to split your units well (a handful of stalkers can easily repel the overlords; someone did it in gsl recently, forget who though).
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On June 28 2012 21:52 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 21:50 Fragile51 wrote:On June 28 2012 21:49 andaylin wrote:On June 28 2012 21:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 28 2012 21:45 andaylin wrote:On June 28 2012 21:42 Fragile51 wrote:On June 28 2012 21:41 noddy wrote:On June 28 2012 21:38 Moskau wrote:On June 28 2012 21:32 ZenithM wrote:On June 28 2012 21:28 Moskau wrote:
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You mean watch MKP Code A matches? You realize he goes to Code A because he lost in the group right? He's still placed higher than Polt bro. I don't get the MKP-Polt comparison, it's pretty clear who the better player is. Polt is essentially even with Stephano or a bit lower with the new metagame. MKP trashed Stephano at MLG last time. If by trashed you mean almost lost? MKP is still a gimmicky player, 15 cc or all-in, that's all he does. Anyway bro, the facts are you were saying Polt was bad compared to MKP because hes in code a, somewhat unfortunate considering MKP literally just got knocked down into code a. He's not in Code A. Get your facts straight, please. He's also the player who has probably the most builds out of any player but yeah, he's definitely "gimmicky" rofl. He is in Code A, get your facts straight please >_> He is not. I don't understand why people don't understand Gsl after so many seasons with this format Marineking is in Code A..... He got 4th place in the ro16. You get dropped to the 3rd round of Code A. If you win you are directly back into code S. if you lose, you go to up and downs Except you are not in code a officially until you lose up and downs. You realize this is how nestea got his award? Because he started every season in Code S. MKP has to play in Code A this season. This is not a very difficult concept. No it is not and I'm glad you understand it.
Compelling argument bro.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
God damn these map intros always get me pumped
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On June 28 2012 21:51 avc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 21:49 IMPrime wrote:
for people who say to make ghosts
emp vs fungal is very similar to emp vs storm
EMP is only useful against the spellcasters (in tvp it does take off shields, but it's not a whole lot aside from the stalkers and immortals).
fungal/storm is useful against everything
this increases the difficulty in getting the EMP in time before the other spellcasters do something "I refuse to use Ghosts because they only counter the caster unit that is the centrepiece and most important part of the Zerg army and that unit has skills which work on more things than the Ghosts, so Ghosts suck"
How about you go to the 'is the queen still OP thread?'. TvZ's have been over for 15 mins now.
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On June 28 2012 21:49 IMPrime wrote:
for people who say to make ghosts
emp vs fungal is very similar to emp vs storm
EMP is only useful against the spellcasters (in tvp it does take off shields, but it's not a whole lot aside from the stalkers and immortals).
fungal/storm is useful against everything
this increases the difficulty in getting the EMP in time before the other spellcasters do something
What are you on about? Having an army lose1/3-1/2 of it's HP is... actaually you're right. EMP's are wasted on things that aren't templar. You should never do that on ladder. /s
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On June 28 2012 21:52 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 21:51 -Kira wrote:
What do you do vs that? Rush to 200/200 roaches -> force them into Protoss throat -> win?
I see no way of defending this without blind hardcounter, am i wrong? It's very very tough to the point of some people saying drops might have to be moved to Hive because It's too strong. ( this would also help mech vs roach max drop )
Can you tell me who said that?
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Gogogogo Symbol!! You can save my liquibet!
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On June 28 2012 21:52 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 21:50 Havik_ wrote:
People talked about the Roach max with drop being impossible to hold, and IDK, it might be true. 1) Squirtle did retarded build. 2) You need to split your units well (a handful of stalkers can easily repel the overlords; someone did it in gsl recently, forget who though).
Handful of stalkers can repel the 12-15 overlords?
On June 28 2012 21:53 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 21:52 Dodgin wrote:On June 28 2012 21:51 -Kira wrote:
What do you do vs that? Rush to 200/200 roaches -> force them into Protoss throat -> win?
I see no way of defending this without blind hardcounter, am i wrong? It's very very tough to the point of some people saying drops might have to be moved to Hive because It's too strong. ( this would also help mech vs roach max drop ) Can you tell me who said that?
I don't remember where the discussion happened, sorry.
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On June 28 2012 21:52 -Kira wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 21:51 fixed_point wrote:On June 28 2012 21:51 -Kira wrote:
What do you do vs that? Rush to 200/200 roaches -> force them into Protoss throat -> win?
I see no way of defending this without blind hardcounter, am i wrong? This is why there are so many 2 base all-ins for PvZ Doesn't answer my question
The answer is to kill them before they get 100 supply ahead of you.
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2base all-in needs to be standard for PvZ
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This last month is proof of how spoiled terrans have been in SC2. For like 6 months of the game zerg had to deal with close positions, fast rax, fast bunkers before any of this stuff got fixed. Protoss had to deal with early stim timings, struggled with 1-1-1 variations for months before anything got changed. Almost 2 years into SC2 and terrans have had 1 bad month and they are ready to jump ship. Man up.
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On June 28 2012 21:52 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 21:51 -Kira wrote:
What do you do vs that? Rush to 200/200 roaches -> force them into Protoss throat -> win?
I see no way of defending this without blind hardcounter, am i wrong? If that was true Symbol would've 2-0'd his first match too. I don't want to spend this thread theorycrafting but there have been some builds here that are based around beating maxed roaches. It's not really a blind counter because there are a lot of indicators of 200/200 roaches (3rd base, late gases, etc.)
Dude, beating roach max is very easy, i'm talking about roach max + drop on map like this. It's completly diffirent.
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On June 28 2012 21:52 Za7oX wrote:
Need a zerg in dat ro8
You can do ettttttt SYMBOL!!!!!
Are NesTea and DRG not good enough for you? They're in group D in case you forgot.
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On June 28 2012 21:53 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 21:52 andaylin wrote:On June 28 2012 21:50 Fragile51 wrote:On June 28 2012 21:49 andaylin wrote:On June 28 2012 21:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 28 2012 21:45 andaylin wrote:On June 28 2012 21:42 Fragile51 wrote:On June 28 2012 21:41 noddy wrote:On June 28 2012 21:38 Moskau wrote:On June 28 2012 21:32 ZenithM wrote:
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He's still placed higher than Polt bro. I don't get the MKP-Polt comparison, it's pretty clear who the better player is. Polt is essentially even with Stephano or a bit lower with the new metagame. MKP trashed Stephano at MLG last time. If by trashed you mean almost lost? MKP is still a gimmicky player, 15 cc or all-in, that's all he does. Anyway bro, the facts are you were saying Polt was bad compared to MKP because hes in code a, somewhat unfortunate considering MKP literally just got knocked down into code a. He's not in Code A. Get your facts straight, please. He's also the player who has probably the most builds out of any player but yeah, he's definitely "gimmicky" rofl. He is in Code A, get your facts straight please >_> He is not. I don't understand why people don't understand Gsl after so many seasons with this format Marineking is in Code A..... He got 4th place in the ro16. You get dropped to the 3rd round of Code A. If you win you are directly back into code S. if you lose, you go to up and downs Except you are not in code a officially until you lose up and downs. You realize this is how nestea got his award? Because he started every season in Code S. MKP has to play in Code A this season. This is not a very difficult concept. No it is not and I'm glad you understand it. Compelling argument bro.
It's good educating noobies
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