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Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-28 11:44:13
June 28 2012 11:43 GMT
#2561
Series is over at this point anyhow. Even if MKP takes this map, Symbol gets to pick some Z map and it won't matter.
kckkryptonite
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1126 Posts
June 28 2012 11:43 GMT
#2562
On June 28 2012 20:40 Flonomenalz wrote:
Symbol gambled that MKP would open with a "greedy" Terran opener, and his gamble paid off. This happens a lot in high level competitive games. Then mass baneling simply owns tankless bio. Nothing really imbalanced at all.

Hopefully MKP rebounds in game 2.

That is Symbol playing the player more than the race. The more people that do that, the more MKP loses, that's why he never does as good in GSL.
RIP avilo, qxc keyboard 2013, RIP Nathanis keyboard 2014
Sp00ly
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1546 Posts
June 28 2012 11:43 GMT
#2563
Taeja gonna be only T in RO8. Calling it now.
speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
June 28 2012 11:44 GMT
#2564
On June 28 2012 20:42 Ebzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 20:42 dezi wrote:
On June 28 2012 20:40 WArped wrote:
On June 28 2012 20:39 Bagi wrote:
MVP down yesterday, looking like MKP will follow.

The rest of the terran lineup doesn't fill me with hope either. I guess it's time for a PvZ finals again.

Taeja, the last Terran hope?

Taeja looked vulnerable in TvP and with some sick Ps left it will be quite hard to win this GSL ^^


Pretty much everybody looks vulnerable in TvP these days. Taeja has I think the second best win % as well

Yep he's 2nd best tvp player, and he's apparently considered bad at it. That says enough.
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
June 28 2012 11:44 GMT
#2565
On June 28 2012 20:42 Markwerf wrote:
again 3 hatch before pool, what a retard.
Huge risk, zero gain... It's just worse economically then pool before third hatch. Pro's have crap builds so often...


I guess winning doesn't count as a gain then. :p
dmg7
Profile Joined June 2011
101 Posts
June 28 2012 11:44 GMT
#2566
On June 28 2012 20:42 saltygrapes wrote:
MKP needs to quit playing so stubbornly or he will never win consistently.

He has some of the best micro in the world, but makes some of the worst decisions, plays greedy and careless at times and often makes terrible unit compositions.


Have you even watched any TvZ of late, how is his unit composition TERRIBLE?

Sigh, I definately need to stop reading LR.
CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr
Profile Joined June 2012
544 Posts
June 28 2012 11:44 GMT
#2567
On June 28 2012 20:39 pdd wrote:
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On June 28 2012 20:38 nkr wrote:
On June 28 2012 20:37 Zannadar wrote:
Depressing times to be a Terran...


Depressing times if you don't make tanks, yeah

Depressing because if it weren't for the patch, Terrans wouldn't have to experiment with these sorts of builds. But then again its MKP, he's done these weird builds before pre-patch.


nkr is a godawful eu player who wouldnt win a single game if it wasnt for playing a grossly overpowered race, and then he comes here to explain how balanced is. stop being disrespectful to players who actually understand this game pls, i already know first hand u dont

User was temp banned for this post.
awaiting the return of the space cowboy
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
June 28 2012 11:44 GMT
#2568
On June 28 2012 20:42 Sif_ wrote:
About the tank comments: Going for tanks on that situation is like handing the game on a plate for Symbol. How are you supposed to walk across a half covered in creep map against a powered up zerg?

His queens were delayed and he only had one queen spreading it as opposed to 4 which is what is standard these days. It would have been smarter to make tanks earlier in that situation, the creep wouldn't have been that insane.
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
June 28 2012 11:44 GMT
#2569
Haha, Wolf is so off today.

Not shitting on him, he's really awesome, it's just that today he's pulling a giant moletrap.
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FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
June 28 2012 11:45 GMT
#2570
On June 28 2012 20:42 Xpace wrote:
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On June 28 2012 20:39 AsymptoticClimax wrote:
On June 28 2012 20:38 guGi wrote:
MKP is too greedy

terrans have to play greedy to stay level with the zerg..


FINALLY. Two sensible people who think CC before Rax is "greedy", and not "economy cheese", whatever the f*ck that is.


When the best TvZ player on the planet (MMA) is losing against all the code B zergs on his team 90% of the time, there must be something wrong with the MU or the changes are affecting the MU too much.

I mean, before the patch, the best TvZ players were arguably: MMA, MKP and MVP. After the patch, they are all getting destroyed by zerg players who don't play like July (make banelings/lings/mutas and A-move rinse and repeat until you run out of economy).
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 28 2012 11:45 GMT
#2571
This looks the better version of the previous games opener. 2 base version, into quicker pressure with dropping stim marines. go mkp go
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zimms
Profile Joined November 2009
Austria561 Posts
June 28 2012 11:45 GMT
#2572
3 hatch before pool, yet MKP is the one playing greedy...
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
June 28 2012 11:45 GMT
#2573
On June 28 2012 20:42 Sif_ wrote:
About the tank comments: Going for tanks on that situation is like handing the game on a plate for Symbol. How are you supposed to walk across a half covered in creep map against a powered up zerg?


a 3base zerg isn't powered up.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 28 2012 11:45 GMT
#2574
I don't know why people are calling what MKP is doing greedy and whatnot. It's merely his variant of 1 rax CC, and really up to preference. Last time he put down a 3rd after seeing a fast 3rd hatch. Seems alright to me.
zocktol
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1928 Posts
June 28 2012 11:46 GMT
#2575
My god, there is a lot of Balance whine in here, sadly i don't have ANY cheese

Symbol is just playing to MKPs style and MKP is giving him the opportunity to abuse it by going CC first, but the lack of a third CC might give him the game.
noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
June 28 2012 11:46 GMT
#2576
On June 28 2012 20:45 FidoDido wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 20:42 Xpace wrote:
On June 28 2012 20:39 AsymptoticClimax wrote:
On June 28 2012 20:38 guGi wrote:
MKP is too greedy

terrans have to play greedy to stay level with the zerg..


FINALLY. Two sensible people who think CC before Rax is "greedy", and not "economy cheese", whatever the f*ck that is.


When the best TvZ player on the planet (MMA) is losing against all the code B zergs on his team 90% of the time, there must be something wrong with the MU or the changes are affecting the MU too much.

I mean, before the patch, the best TvZ players were arguably: MMA, MKP and MVP. After the patch, they are all getting destroyed by zerg players who don't play like July (make banelings/lings/mutas and A-move rinse and repeat until you run out of economy).


Pretty much. Also people who are calling MarineKing greedy in this series are fucking retarded. Why is Zerg allowed to get 3 bases before the 6 min mark?
kckkryptonite
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1126 Posts
June 28 2012 11:46 GMT
#2577
MKP doesn't even scout, I've never liked his play. Except his TvP when the two medivac constant aggro with micro was getting popular.
RIP avilo, qxc keyboard 2013, RIP Nathanis keyboard 2014
gedatsu
Profile Joined December 2011
1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-28 11:48:33
June 28 2012 11:46 GMT
#2578
So apparently some idiot mod has changed my nick to "priestnoob", which I do not approve of. Who do I talk to to get it changed back?

edit: maybe it was changed back already.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
June 28 2012 11:46 GMT
#2579
On June 28 2012 20:42 Xpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 20:39 AsymptoticClimax wrote:
On June 28 2012 20:38 guGi wrote:
MKP is too greedy

terrans have to play greedy to stay level with the zerg..


FINALLY. Two sensible people who think CC before Rax is "greedy", and not "economy cheese", whatever the f*ck that is.






With cheese, you take a risk, hope your opponent doesn't scout it/doesn't react properly and if it pays off, you autowin.


With eco cheese you take a risk, take 3 bases with 1 unit on the map, hope your opponent doesn't attack you and if it pays off, you autowin later in a landslide....



They're really not all that different. Economic cheese is a proper term. I was like wtf when i first heard the term too, but when you think about it, it makes sense.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
June 28 2012 11:47 GMT
#2580
On June 28 2012 20:44 Kommander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 20:42 Markwerf wrote:
again 3 hatch before pool, what a retard.
Huge risk, zero gain... It's just worse economically then pool before third hatch. Pro's have crap builds so often...


I guess winning doesn't count as a gain then. :p


You can win with slightly inferior builds to others. It's not a huge defecit. 3rd hatch before pool is just strictly inferior, there is absolutely no reason ever to do it. Worse economy, bigger risks, give away free information etc etc.
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