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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 12 2012 02:29 GMT
#8601
On August 12 2012 11:24 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 11:24 Waxangel wrote:
Moral of the story is Code S champion is a good player

Tell that to the hordes of people who refuse to acknowledge jjakji.


I still think Jjakji is really good even though he's not had great results in a while

And It's impossible to deny how amazingly he played in the finals that he won.
ShynZ
Profile Joined September 2010
331 Posts
August 12 2012 02:30 GMT
#8602
iono about u guys but i still think sending TLO out would have a shot
Niflheim
Profile Joined February 2012
United States313 Posts
August 12 2012 02:30 GMT
#8603
On August 12 2012 11:26 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 11:21 Niflheim wrote:
I don't understand the Seed best in the world argument... Taeja's match history recently is just insane ... Seed's isn't quite as impressive (yes he is really good but still look at what Taeja did today... went 7-1 against IM 2 of those wins being against gsl champs).. there have been people who won GSLs who aren't best in the world ...


To be fair to Seed, he has played in less tournaments as well since Taeja goes to a lot more foreign events and also plays more matches in team leagues. Honestly, Seed beat Taeja and Hero. I think he would have likely AK Liquid if the player orders were different. Having said that, I still rank Taeja as #1 and Seed #2 right now.


Yea I agree .. I just don't understand the rationale of "oh taeja has only been hot recently".. what has Seed done before his GSL run? Taeja has been in more code S's than Seed so if you are looking at long history then Taeja would still be the better player ...

and if you want to talk best in terms of longevity at the top of starcraft 2 then the only possible claims would be Mvp or MC or perhaps Nestea
hootsushi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany3468 Posts
August 12 2012 02:30 GMT
#8604
I am sorry if it has been asked already, but anyone knows the song which has been played between the games? I only remember it being played before the match between hero and seed.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
August 12 2012 02:31 GMT
#8605
What a trainwreck of an event though. Good God.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 12 2012 02:31 GMT
#8606
On August 12 2012 11:29 Sc2Null wrote:
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On August 12 2012 11:14 BigBossX wrote:
On August 12 2012 11:13 Roostalol wrote:
SEED BEATS TAEJA... SEED BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD?

No. Maybe, but not necessarily. Some really great games, though!


He was the only one to stop taeja, and hes the current gsl champ, so yeah best player in the world ATM.


the fact he is the reigning gsl champ and beat taeja..probably more accurate than you think.


Taeja is actually 1-1 today so it is a draw (Taeja got map choice the first game and Seed got map choice for second)
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
August 12 2012 02:31 GMT
#8607
On August 12 2012 11:30 ShynZ wrote:
iono about u guys but i still think sending TLO out would have a shot

lol did you see they way seed destroy z lately?
tlo wouldnt even come anywhere close
IM & EG supporter
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1689 Posts
August 12 2012 02:31 GMT
#8608
On August 12 2012 11:28 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 11:27 ShowTheLights wrote:
On August 12 2012 11:24 Fusilero wrote:
On August 12 2012 11:24 Waxangel wrote:
Moral of the story is Code S champion is a good player

Tell that to the hordes of people who refuse to acknowledge jjakji.


jjakji has fallen off though, he can barely stay in Code S, and didn't even make it straight into Code S from Code A
he hasnt done ANY foreign events and hasnt even come CLOSE to winning anything else after winning vs leenock

also, at the time, leenock was a MUCH bigger star than jjakji. and jjakji is another aLive who has no personality in his play or personality in general that is shown to the public

He destroyed the IPL tournament of champions and got his team to the finals of IPL TAC 2, he's been playing well and should make code S I'm certain he'd get the same acknowledgement as other champions if he could travel as much as they do but hoseo's poor so he can't.


He beat a total of.....................2 Koreans on an online tournament in IPL Champions.
•••Acer.MMA••• <> KT_Puzzle <> JinAir•GreenWings_CoCa <> CJ_herO <> Axiom CranK & Ryung <> IM_Seed <> IM_Squirtle <> le' ToD <> Innovation <> ROOT_CatZ <> inuh! <> Chobra <> SKT1_Fantasy
Corrupted
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1255 Posts
August 12 2012 02:31 GMT
#8609
On August 12 2012 11:28 Share_The_Land wrote:
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On August 12 2012 11:23 Waxangel wrote:
TaeJa chewed up a long list of high Code A/borderline Code S players, beat AWFUL-GOD-AWFUL-IN-TEAMLEAGUE Nestea, and then traded games with a championship class player in Seed. Kinda like a Korean weekly, except he didn't win in the end D: (minus the appearance of unspeakably-disappointing-in-teamleague Nestea)


Lol that was a funny rundown. I really am getting frustrated with Nestea's constant teamleague failure, it's as reliable as Taeja's winningness


It is pretty clear that he doesn't perform anywhere near as well without long preparation periods.
"MarineKing rolling double sevens there" -Artosis
MosART
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1899 Posts
August 12 2012 02:32 GMT
#8610
No, the moral of the story is to sign more Korean for Liquid.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
August 12 2012 02:32 GMT
#8611
On August 12 2012 11:30 Niflheim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 11:26 vthree wrote:
On August 12 2012 11:21 Niflheim wrote:
I don't understand the Seed best in the world argument... Taeja's match history recently is just insane ... Seed's isn't quite as impressive (yes he is really good but still look at what Taeja did today... went 7-1 against IM 2 of those wins being against gsl champs).. there have been people who won GSLs who aren't best in the world ...


To be fair to Seed, he has played in less tournaments as well since Taeja goes to a lot more foreign events and also plays more matches in team leagues. Honestly, Seed beat Taeja and Hero. I think he would have likely AK Liquid if the player orders were different. Having said that, I still rank Taeja as #1 and Seed #2 right now.


Yea I agree .. I just don't understand the rationale of "oh taeja has only been hot recently".. what has Seed done before his GSL run? Taeja has been in more code S's than Seed so if you are looking at long history then Taeja would still be the better player ...

and if you want to talk best in terms of longevity at the top of starcraft 2 then the only possible claims would be Mvp or MC or perhaps Nestea

The thing is, GSL carries such a weight you are almost automatically called the best player in the world when you win, at least till a new season starts or you you slump between.
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
August 12 2012 02:33 GMT
#8612
On August 12 2012 11:31 Corrupted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 11:28 Share_The_Land wrote:
On August 12 2012 11:23 Waxangel wrote:
TaeJa chewed up a long list of high Code A/borderline Code S players, beat AWFUL-GOD-AWFUL-IN-TEAMLEAGUE Nestea, and then traded games with a championship class player in Seed. Kinda like a Korean weekly, except he didn't win in the end D: (minus the appearance of unspeakably-disappointing-in-teamleague Nestea)


Lol that was a funny rundown. I really am getting frustrated with Nestea's constant teamleague failure, it's as reliable as Taeja's winningness


It is pretty clear that he doesn't perform anywhere near as well without long preparation periods.


Well he didnt play as awful as he usually does imo. He got a pretty decent shot in the first game vs taeja
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
August 12 2012 02:33 GMT
#8613
On August 12 2012 11:20 Heavenlee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 11:19 forsooth wrote:
On August 12 2012 11:17 seoul_kiM wrote:
most accomplished roster on that stage...
jesus that roster just looks scary

And the greatest player isn't even there.


LG-IM.SK.MC? :3

20 lashes.

King MVP is not to be insulted.
anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
August 12 2012 02:34 GMT
#8614
TLDR of today:
commercial
screen dead
sound dead
commercial
Round 1: Seed vs Taeja - Taeja wins
Round 2: Seed vs Taeja - Seed wins, screams, IM wins TAC.
☆*:.。. o(≧▽≦)o .。.:*☆
Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
August 12 2012 02:34 GMT
#8615
On August 12 2012 11:33 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 11:20 Heavenlee wrote:
On August 12 2012 11:19 forsooth wrote:
On August 12 2012 11:17 seoul_kiM wrote:
most accomplished roster on that stage...
jesus that roster just looks scary

And the greatest player isn't even there.


LG-IM.SK.MC? :3

20 lashes.

King MVP is not to be insulted.


MC v MVP bo21 to determine who shall be lashed.
Blueblister
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden321 Posts
August 12 2012 02:34 GMT
#8616
On August 12 2012 11:15 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 11:14 turdburgler wrote:
On August 12 2012 11:01 Plexa wrote:
On August 12 2012 11:00 below66 wrote:
On August 12 2012 10:58 Shiori wrote:
On August 12 2012 10:57 below66 wrote:
On August 12 2012 10:54 Scrandom wrote:
On August 12 2012 10:53 below66 wrote:
On August 12 2012 10:51 blacksheepwall wrote:
On August 12 2012 10:50 Looms wrote:
[quote]

Loser's bracket

To elaborate slightly, it's because Liquid was the loser's bracket winner in a Double Elimination tournament, and IM hasn't lost a match yet, whereas, Liquid had, therefore, Liquid needed to win 1 Bo9 to reset it for the Grand Finals. Stupid format, imho.



Ummm... yes, that's a pretty dumb format.


Why is that dumb? Liquid has already lost a series, IM hadn't


Past series should have no relevance in the next upcoming series or the finals. In major sports, all that happens is you get 1 extra home court game or something that really doesn't make much of a difference, what if every sport had 2 grand finals because one team had a near undefeated run and the other didn't? it wouldnt be accepted.

Most sports don't have a double elimination bracket. Your analogy fails. This has been the standard in essentially every double elim. tournament ever. It's either this or extended series. Guess which one is better.


Ah I see.
Worth pointing out that the only double elim tournament that I know of that didn't have two bo5s (or some kind of advantage for the WB player) was the MSL in BW.


wcs?

WCS definitely has two bo3s for the LB player

Another important points is that almost all DE tournaments opting out of DE finals do it for practical reasons, usually time constraints (never having more than 1 match per day is the norm for many sports).
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
August 12 2012 02:34 GMT
#8617
Good games, deserved winners, brilliant Taeja/Seed.

Terrible production including awful sound, periodic blackouts, cheap set, far far too much downtime/ads and an awful award ceremony, it reminded me of a prize ceremony in a local hall after winning a chess match - very amateurish



Haha exactly what i thought
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
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Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
August 12 2012 02:34 GMT
#8618
I honestly want to drop hammerfists on whoever decided to play Hero last. And it's not like they only did this today! They always put out Hero late! I'm a huge fan of Hero, so I always want him to play early because it gives him the best chance to win the most games. So that's one reason I want him to be a starter.

But also, he's famously nervous. So why not let him play second? No pressure, sick micro, gutsy decisions. Yeesh.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 12 2012 02:34 GMT
#8619
On August 12 2012 11:30 Niflheim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 11:26 vthree wrote:
On August 12 2012 11:21 Niflheim wrote:
I don't understand the Seed best in the world argument... Taeja's match history recently is just insane ... Seed's isn't quite as impressive (yes he is really good but still look at what Taeja did today... went 7-1 against IM 2 of those wins being against gsl champs).. there have been people who won GSLs who aren't best in the world ...


To be fair to Seed, he has played in less tournaments as well since Taeja goes to a lot more foreign events and also plays more matches in team leagues. Honestly, Seed beat Taeja and Hero. I think he would have likely AK Liquid if the player orders were different. Having said that, I still rank Taeja as #1 and Seed #2 right now.


Yea I agree .. I just don't understand the rationale of "oh taeja has only been hot recently".. what has Seed done before his GSL run? Taeja has been in more code S's than Seed so if you are looking at long history then Taeja would still be the better player ...

and if you want to talk best in terms of longevity at the top of starcraft 2 then the only possible claims would be Mvp or MC or perhaps Nestea


Yeah, problem is different people have different interpretations of 'right now'. Of course, some people feel it is based on 1month, some think 2, some think 4 months, etc. Also, it doesn't help that these players play in different tournaments. Unlike say a league where you can see which teams has the best record in the past month, it is hard to tell by just looking at the records.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37025 Posts
August 12 2012 02:35 GMT
#8620
On August 12 2012 11:31 ShowTheLights wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 11:28 Fusilero wrote:
On August 12 2012 11:27 ShowTheLights wrote:
On August 12 2012 11:24 Fusilero wrote:
On August 12 2012 11:24 Waxangel wrote:
Moral of the story is Code S champion is a good player

Tell that to the hordes of people who refuse to acknowledge jjakji.


jjakji has fallen off though, he can barely stay in Code S, and didn't even make it straight into Code S from Code A
he hasnt done ANY foreign events and hasnt even come CLOSE to winning anything else after winning vs leenock

also, at the time, leenock was a MUCH bigger star than jjakji. and jjakji is another aLive who has no personality in his play or personality in general that is shown to the public

He destroyed the IPL tournament of champions and got his team to the finals of IPL TAC 2, he's been playing well and should make code S I'm certain he'd get the same acknowledgement as other champions if he could travel as much as they do but hoseo's poor so he can't.


He beat a total of.....................2 Koreans on an online tournament in IPL Champions.

Well that wasn't his fault. He never lost so he didn't have to go through the losers' bracket.
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