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Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
August 11 2012 23:37 GMT
#6561
On August 12 2012 08:36 101998 wrote:
poor ret =/


no... not poor ret.
Any random masters player would have won that game in his position.

Just failing ret.
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
August 11 2012 23:37 GMT
#6562
I really feel for Ret It must be so hard after a game like that.
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
August 11 2012 23:37 GMT
#6563
taeja incoming

if it weren't for the hours of downtime, we could actually have decent sleep
Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
August 11 2012 23:37 GMT
#6564
Standard ret game. Always takes really bad late game engagements and then gives away the game ><

Poor guy, hes so good but is decision making is really questionable sometimes.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
August 11 2012 23:37 GMT
#6565
On August 12 2012 08:36 RaiKageRyu wrote:
TaeJa already?!


You almost have to at this point if he gets atleast 3 kills and loses to a Zerg then you can throw HerO in have him pull of the sickest 2 base colossi timing ever and win with that sick micro!
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
August 11 2012 23:38 GMT
#6566
that was worse then a idra zvp late game fuck up, jesus ret come on
savior did nothing wrong
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
August 11 2012 23:38 GMT
#6567
Okay, GG IM. Taeja with the 4kill.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
MosART
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1899 Posts
August 11 2012 23:38 GMT
#6568
When Ret plays and is ahead, the opponent has a better shot at beating him. True story.
eFonSG
Profile Joined November 2010
United States255 Posts
August 11 2012 23:38 GMT
#6569
On August 12 2012 08:36 Nick_54 wrote:
Damn he went full on foreigner



Man you never go full foreigner
Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
August 11 2012 23:38 GMT
#6570
I hope nony gets to win a game : D
Dyme
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany523 Posts
August 11 2012 23:38 GMT
#6571
On August 12 2012 08:36 Fusilero wrote:
In defeat no player looks worse than ret.

Ret was also painful hard to watch when he won against Puzzle.
Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 23:38:50
August 11 2012 23:38 GMT
#6572
Ret is liquids answer to idra


Get´s ahead, then throws it all away


#1 FAN OF TERRY THE INTERN - NONY AND IDRA NUMBER #1, EVERY DAY. AXIOM MANOR - Axiom: Ryung, Alicia, Heart and Crank under the Don TotalBiscuit and the Donnesa Genna Bain- Join the family http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=396090#2
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
August 11 2012 23:38 GMT
#6573
On August 12 2012 08:37 Monochromatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 08:36 BlazeFury01 wrote:
It is time for Ret to retire.


Are you kidding me? It is time for ret to practice.

He is so good in every one of his games, but he chokes and loses.

He could be so good if he stopped choking.


No, I am not kidding you. He has done the same mistakes over and over and over, month after month after month. It is really shitty when your team depends on one player to do it all for them.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
August 11 2012 23:38 GMT
#6574
On August 12 2012 08:37 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 08:36 polpot wrote:
unleash the beast

Do the EG guys pay you to advertise Monster?


BUY MONSTER.

and for liquid

BUY RAZER GEAR!

(Seriously, my razer gear is the shizzle, and their customer service is excellent. i made a complaint blog on TL, and a razer employee contacted me, is epic!)
Useless wet fish.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
August 11 2012 23:38 GMT
#6575
On August 12 2012 08:36 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 08:34 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:31 Herry wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:28 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:25 oogieogie wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:21 Sent. wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:16 Herry wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:14 Sent. wrote:
I don't understand why so many people are negative about vortex in pvz. It would be stupid if every single match up looked like tvz. I'm not saying vortex is the most intresting thing in starcraft but it's clearly not boring, at least not for me. Just think about kiwikaki vs stephano game, I can't be the only one who's enjoying watching late game pvz.

It was interesting when it was rare and a kind of weird/creative play. When it became standard lategame it just got really boring to watch, at least for me.


yeah literally every late game pvz is exactly the same now. and to add to the lameness its down to one cast on one unit that decides a 25minute+ game


What about stargate transitions and prism harass? Also vortex decides the game only if Zerg makes terrible mistake of not splitting his brood lords.

zerg splitting brood lords happens as often as DT expand. I mean cmon when you try to seige a base you have to like have muta spread vs a thor, and even then a vortex can still hit a good amount of them or all of them depending on how many you have.

Zergs split their BL a lot now days. They're only really clumped when the Zerg is caught off guard or is being complacent because Brood Lord armies normally win any ways with minimal micro.


the problem is it shouldnt even come down to that, but zergs are forced to go broodlord because ultras are so shit vs protoss, and there is no other end game tech, and that is why zergs always do the same thing cant really switch...maybe very rarely but tier 1 and 2 units own ultras.

Ultras aren't shit, they're just harder to use. Symbol, TeamLiquid's bonjwa, used Ultralisks a lot against Protoss.


On August 12 2012 08:32 oogieogie wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:28 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:25 oogieogie wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:21 Sent. wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:16 Herry wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:14 Sent. wrote:
I don't understand why so many people are negative about vortex in pvz. It would be stupid if every single match up looked like tvz. I'm not saying vortex is the most intresting thing in starcraft but it's clearly not boring, at least not for me. Just think about kiwikaki vs stephano game, I can't be the only one who's enjoying watching late game pvz.

It was interesting when it was rare and a kind of weird/creative play. When it became standard lategame it just got really boring to watch, at least for me.


yeah literally every late game pvz is exactly the same now. and to add to the lameness its down to one cast on one unit that decides a 25minute+ game


What about stargate transitions and prism harass? Also vortex decides the game only if Zerg makes terrible mistake of not splitting his brood lords.

zerg splitting brood lords happens as often as DT expand. I mean cmon when you try to seige a base you have to like have muta spread vs a thor, and even then a vortex can still hit a good amount of them or all of them depending on how many you have.

Zergs split their BL a lot now days. They're only really clumped when the Zerg is caught off guard or is being complacent because Brood Lord armies normally win any ways with minimal micro.

or the bls start atking, and so they just natually clump. How many times have you seen a protoss get a whifted vortex vs money vortex? Its pretty easy to get either the BLs or the infestors from the vortex.

Whiffed vortex/dead Mothership happens way more often than GG Vortexes. With Brood Lord's 9.5 range and because they're slow they don't clump when attacking if you've already spread them out.


Ultras are insanely situational and if not used in a perfect environment they are absolutely awful.

As long as you don't mass Ultralisks when you're opponent already has a Zealot Archon Templar composition you're good to go. Most ground units are 'absolutely awful' if you attack in bad positions. Brood Lords are air units so it's quite hard to find a really bad position for them, mostly just good positions.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
August 11 2012 23:39 GMT
#6576
On August 12 2012 08:37 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 08:36 polpot wrote:
unleash the beast

Do the EG guys pay you to advertise Monster?

I think he's referring to taeja when he says beast

Not to mention EG is getting paid to advertise monster lol, that would be like roger federer paying others to advertise nike.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Capulet
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Canada686 Posts
August 11 2012 23:39 GMT
#6577
Ret crushed his way to a very comfortable late game. Why so aggressive???
"I'm just killing the spiders to save the butterflies... Wanting to save both is a contradiction. What would you rather do? Keep deliberating? The butterfly will be eaten in the meantime."
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
August 11 2012 23:39 GMT
#6578
On August 12 2012 08:38 MosART wrote:
When Ret plays and is ahead, the opponent has a better shot at beating him. True story.

lol

User was warned for this post
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
August 11 2012 23:39 GMT
#6579
no one could understand where rets minerals were. he must of had 50 drones in 1 base or something? ;/ such a shame to lose that way
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 23:41:16
August 11 2012 23:39 GMT
#6580
On August 12 2012 08:34 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 08:31 Herry wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:28 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:25 oogieogie wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:21 Sent. wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:16 Herry wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:14 Sent. wrote:
I don't understand why so many people are negative about vortex in pvz. It would be stupid if every single match up looked like tvz. I'm not saying vortex is the most intresting thing in starcraft but it's clearly not boring, at least not for me. Just think about kiwikaki vs stephano game, I can't be the only one who's enjoying watching late game pvz.

It was interesting when it was rare and a kind of weird/creative play. When it became standard lategame it just got really boring to watch, at least for me.


yeah literally every late game pvz is exactly the same now. and to add to the lameness its down to one cast on one unit that decides a 25minute+ game


What about stargate transitions and prism harass? Also vortex decides the game only if Zerg makes terrible mistake of not splitting his brood lords.

zerg splitting brood lords happens as often as DT expand. I mean cmon when you try to seige a base you have to like have muta spread vs a thor, and even then a vortex can still hit a good amount of them or all of them depending on how many you have.

Zergs split their BL a lot now days. They're only really clumped when the Zerg is caught off guard or is being complacent because Brood Lord armies normally win any ways with minimal micro.


the problem is it shouldnt even come down to that, but zergs are forced to go broodlord because ultras are so shit vs protoss, and there is no other end game tech, and that is why zergs always do the same thing cant really switch...maybe very rarely but tier 1 and 2 units own ultras.

Ultras aren't shit, they're just harder to use. Symbol, TeamLiquid's bonjwa, used Ultralisks a lot against Protoss.


Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 08:32 oogieogie wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:28 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:25 oogieogie wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:21 Sent. wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:16 Herry wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 12 2012 08:14 Sent. wrote:
I don't understand why so many people are negative about vortex in pvz. It would be stupid if every single match up looked like tvz. I'm not saying vortex is the most intresting thing in starcraft but it's clearly not boring, at least not for me. Just think about kiwikaki vs stephano game, I can't be the only one who's enjoying watching late game pvz.

It was interesting when it was rare and a kind of weird/creative play. When it became standard lategame it just got really boring to watch, at least for me.


yeah literally every late game pvz is exactly the same now. and to add to the lameness its down to one cast on one unit that decides a 25minute+ game


What about stargate transitions and prism harass? Also vortex decides the game only if Zerg makes terrible mistake of not splitting his brood lords.

zerg splitting brood lords happens as often as DT expand. I mean cmon when you try to seige a base you have to like have muta spread vs a thor, and even then a vortex can still hit a good amount of them or all of them depending on how many you have.

Zergs split their BL a lot now days. They're only really clumped when the Zerg is caught off guard or is being complacent because Brood Lord armies normally win any ways with minimal micro.

or the bls start atking, and so they just natually clump. How many times have you seen a protoss get a whifted vortex vs money vortex? Its pretty easy to get either the BLs or the infestors from the vortex.

Whiffed vortex/dead Mothership happens way more often than GG Vortexes. With Brood Lord's 9.5 range and because they're slow they don't clump when attacking if you've already spread them out.

I would completely say the opposite way on pro games. The amount of times for this 2012 alone that I have seen a whiftfed/dead mothership that doesn't have enough energy or dies before even a vortex is like none.

ultras are shit exspecially when compared to BLs.
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