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sekalf
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden522 Posts
June 18 2012 21:29 GMT
#5341
Really hope the sc2 finals will be long and entertaining.. deserve it after waiting this long for them.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
June 18 2012 21:29 GMT
#5342
So I have no clue, but is someone going to win soon?
Tonttu
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland606 Posts
June 18 2012 21:29 GMT
#5343
On June 19 2012 06:24 Zorgaz wrote:
Ah man i want to see the finals..... =/


You are watching it already (Dota2 Finals)
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 21:30:52
June 18 2012 21:29 GMT
#5344
On June 19 2012 06:27 KadaverBB wrote:
I gotta say, the observer UI in Hon seems to be way better than dota 2.
Would love to see XP per minute and gold per minute and stuff.

Its still in beta though right? Maybe they will improve it


They have XP and Gold graph tabs..

I guess because of the sound issues they aren't showing them that much since explaining how far ahead exactly a team is on one count could potentially give quite a bit away if one of the teams overhears.

Normally Tobi uses them quite a bit so I'm presuming he has a reason not to be doing so at least.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
June 18 2012 21:30 GMT
#5345
Come on mTw! win this so we can watch sc2!
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ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
June 18 2012 21:30 GMT
#5346
On June 19 2012 04:00 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 03:55 Winsti wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:48 baldgye wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:46 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:44 0neder wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:43 Jetaap wrote:
Again... an immortal sentry all in >_<... so stupid and boring

Can't fault the players for exploiting game design in an attempt to win.

Not really exploiting game design... its exploiting Stephano's style.

Ling infestor smashes the shit out of sentry immortal all in... Sentry immortal just hard counters Stephano's max roach pushes.


idd, its something I've been doing vs every z for a while, becasue nearly every z on ladder does the stephano max on roaches build... and it was really nice seeing the counter to that being done so well and at such a high level

There is currently no answer as Zerg to a well executed immortal/sentry

thats not really true. its stupidly strong but beatable. the 2nd game stephano cancelled his top left hatch when he didnt have enough larvae to produce lings anyway, and he was on 2 gas so he couldnt make roaches. with the extra larvae of lings or with more spine crawlers he couldve held. he was almost at the tipping point anyway.

zergs dont focus on creep spread enough either, which is very important vs the immortal allin.

and ling infestor or ling bane+drop are build counters to it, they just have other weaknesses.


listen up, stephano!
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gedatsu
Profile Joined December 2011
1286 Posts
June 18 2012 21:30 GMT
#5347
Probably the biggest problem with this game is that I don't understand which guys are on which team.
Vadrigar
Profile Joined January 2011
Bulgaria2379 Posts
June 18 2012 21:30 GMT
#5348
On June 19 2012 06:26 Integra wrote:
Funny how one of the heroes are an exact ripoff of the Warcraft 3 hero bloodmage


it was already explained. Dota is a Warcraft 3 custom map and it uses W3 models. Dota 2 tries to keep it as close as possible.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 18 2012 21:30 GMT
#5349
On June 19 2012 06:28 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:27 KadaverBB wrote:
I gotta say, the observer UI in Hon seems to be way better than dota 2.
Would love to see XP per minute and gold per minute and stuff.

Its still in beta though right? Maybe they will improve it


Funny how most dota fans would say the HoN UI is much worse

Really?

The UI is the best thing about HoN, DotA2 observer UI is atrocious, certainly the worst out of the three
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 18 2012 21:30 GMT
#5350
On June 19 2012 06:28 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:27 KadaverBB wrote:
I gotta say, the observer UI in Hon seems to be way better than dota 2.
Would love to see XP per minute and gold per minute and stuff.

Its still in beta though right? Maybe they will improve it


Funny how most dota fans would say the HoN UI is much worse


The Dota 2 UI has all those stats just you have to open up other tabs to access it. This way the screen is clear for the most part but you still can get the info you want. Think it's a better approach then the whole screen covered with info.
Encrym
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden25 Posts
June 18 2012 21:30 GMT
#5351
On June 19 2012 06:29 illu23 wrote:
This must be one of the more boring esports to watch. Been looking at it for some time, nothing really changed.

It actually looks like one of those Bud Spencer & Terence Hill movies. A whole bunch of guys just beating each other up for 20 minutes.


This is a slow game, this happens in sc2 too.
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
June 18 2012 21:30 GMT
#5352
On June 19 2012 06:28 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:27 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:24 Fishgle wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:22 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:21 Latham wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:19 Mambo wrote:
Oh god its boring to watch moba:S


It's the final game, no team wants to take any extra uncalculated risks. They're playing to their lineup's strengths =)
So games we get 6 kills in 18 mins, some we get 30 kills in 18 mins.
I do admit this game is a bit boring, but again, both teams have a lot on the line in this final game of the tournament.


Is a "boring" play-style the strongest way to play? (Like Flash from BW )

there isnt really a best playstyle. Drafting is a big decider in what kind of game it will be. A couple months ago it was a super Push meta, and games would be over in about 25 minutes average. It was ridiculous. And then there's chinese games of average length about.... 80 minutes?


My... Flash...

I always wanted pro SC2 games to last longer on average (more high ground advantage please ), but 80 minutes is a movie...

maybe we could get SC2 players to stare at the screen picking units for 15 minutes before even starting the game, that would prolong it.


Or everyone starts w/ 0 workers so that we can really enjoy that super-early-early game some more.
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Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 18 2012 21:30 GMT
#5353
mTw to win DotA2 and SC2 finals? :D
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
June 18 2012 21:30 GMT
#5354
On June 19 2012 06:28 Latham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:22 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:21 Latham wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:19 Mambo wrote:
Oh god its boring to watch moba:S


It's the final game, no team wants to take any extra uncalculated risks. They're playing to their lineup's strengths =)
Some games we get 6 kills in 18 mins, some we get 30 kills in 18 mins.
I do admit this game is a bit boring, but again, both teams have a lot on the line in this final game of the tournament.


Is a "boring" play-style the strongest way to play? (Like Flash from BW )


Depends on the team and on the lineup. "Russian" dota is usually aggressive, while asian dota is very farm centric.
Some teams favour heavy pusher lineups to end the game by the 20-30 min mark, some pick a hero that excels at late game fighting with the proper items, and 4 other heroes to support him (so he won't die, has easy farm etc.) which turn into 60+ minute games.

Lone druid (the guy with the bear) is pretty long game centric, because he can in theory have 12 items on him, while other heroes can only have 6 (he can carry himself and his bear can also have 6 items). Tinker (the one teleporting everywhere) also needs some expensive items to become potentially very powerful. So mTw are trying to contain Na'Vi until these 2 can out right kill the other team.


I would have to disagree about your assessment with Lone Druid, he is a pretty early push centric hero as his bear can deal very high damage to buildings as well as carry a radiance burn that does not place himself at risk. 20 minute rax push strats are very common with Sylla when the radiance is picked up.
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Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9592 Posts
June 18 2012 21:30 GMT
#5355
On June 19 2012 06:29 StarVe wrote:
So I have no clue, but is someone going to win soon?


As you can see, 1 base is being invaded so... unless they make a lot of mistakes and give the other team a chance for a comeback, it should end soon =)
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Vadrigar
Profile Joined January 2011
Bulgaria2379 Posts
June 18 2012 21:30 GMT
#5356
On June 19 2012 06:30 gedatsu wrote:
Probably the biggest problem with this game is that I don't understand which guys are on which team.


red vs. green?
Coudee
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland17 Posts
June 18 2012 21:30 GMT
#5357
Not familiar with Dota2 at all. How long are these games typically?
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
June 18 2012 21:31 GMT
#5358
Is it me or is does one of the 2 dota casters (the one who talks least) have one of those standard gay ways of talking?
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
June 18 2012 21:31 GMT
#5359
On June 19 2012 06:28 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:27 KadaverBB wrote:
I gotta say, the observer UI in Hon seems to be way better than dota 2.
Would love to see XP per minute and gold per minute and stuff.

Its still in beta though right? Maybe they will improve it


Funny how most dota fans would say the HoN UI is much worse



I havent watched hon in a while either, i spend to much time with sc2 :D

Still, the dota ui offers far less information than hon.
I wants more information^^
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Flayer.
Profile Joined May 2012
Turkey31 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 21:31:27
June 18 2012 21:31 GMT
#5360
from what I've seen. (I didn't see game 1, only game 2 and this one)

mTw is really playing a team game. but Na'Vi is trying things more individually. may be because of heroes
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