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On June 12 2012 19:57 Giku wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 19:55 Za7oX wrote:On June 12 2012 19:54 Giku wrote: So what does Nestea actually do?
Opens hatch first, pool, gas for speedlings, goes for 4 queens and another 2 added.
When does he take a third? I guess he gets baneling nest and lair @ around 6:30? He went 6 queens and take a 3rd. Then takes 4 gas, then makes a macro hatch then gets 2x upgrades first then speed then lair. Thanks  I'll test it around a bit, haven't actually played much since patch  The macro hatch might have been the last thing he did actualy. Not 100% sure
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On June 12 2012 19:55 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 19:52 liberate71 wrote: omg NesTea spreads creep and wins in RO32 - time to nerf zerg.
Calm yourselves. TheSTC is good, but he's no MarineKing/MVP... don't get ahead of yourselves. Not every zerg is building 6 queens by 7 minutes.
Even if whatever you said was true, what forbids any random zerg from building 6 queens(they actually do)?It's not like it's hard to use them, at all.Besides, MKP himself lost a very crucial game vs DRG after he had a decent lead because creep just wouldn't recede and he couldn't take a fourth@MLG.
Nothing does.. they should do it (was said just earlier)
Maybe they should make it so mules remove all creep within 50 range?
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soooooooooooooooo
idk about you guys
but I had no idea that Nestea used to be the KT Rolster (Flash's team) coach? crayzayyy
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On June 12 2012 19:57 CaptainCharisma wrote: Guys, did Wolf's description of that chat make it seem like the chat was 'less-than-friendly' to you? I hope so, I like a bit of aggro between players. koreans smack talk each other a bit haha
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i wont call imba just yet because maybe theres some messiah build that some terran will find in the next couple weeks that deals with zerg completely and brings it into a even lategame
what irks me about the queen is its 2food and it actually KILLS 2stim/combat shield marines or a zealot or a stalker. In fact i think queens food for food i believe can kill almost every unit (carrier, battlecruiser, roach, hydra, broodlord, collossi, banshee, voidray, hellion, tank, marauder)
the only units i think queens cannot beat is thor, ultralisk, medivac supported Marines or marauders, massed collossi or tanks beat queens once numbers get high due to splash, and battlecruisers maybe (due to the high armor and health, but im not sure queens might almost win). and thats all WITHOUT transfuse being used. So queens are so powerful and PLUS they have transfuse which is like 1click for a instant massive heal instantly making another queen.... On paper queens do seem ultra powerful
MKP vs DRG at MLG showed that pretty much if the terran tries to rev his engine and power out with the zerg and compete in the lategame he gets toasted. MKP did beat Stephano with a pure marine marauder medivac army but i dont think that can be the answer it cant be stephano was just outmicro'ed he usually seems to lose steam at the end of tournaments and plenty engagement stephano could have won but didnt get the right fungals MKP was outmicro'ing but i think a zerg should be able to stop that from happening and get off good fungals and normally win so i dont think MMM is the true answer MKP was just insane that game and made it work
no i think theres another answer out there. or i hope there is. some messiah build will hopefully arrive and bring terran back into shape.... or at least i hope that will happen
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On June 12 2012 19:57 Asha` wrote:johan lucchesi @QuanticNaNi ok checked the booth of creator. he couldnt hear anything  )) ggs . he played well! now can we stop this drama still, both booths should be soundproof, even if Naniwa could only hear the commentators in game 1 for whatever reason
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On June 12 2012 19:58 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 19:55 IshinShishi wrote:On June 12 2012 19:52 liberate71 wrote: omg NesTea spreads creep and wins in RO32 - time to nerf zerg.
Calm yourselves. TheSTC is good, but he's no MarineKing/MVP... don't get ahead of yourselves. Not every zerg is building 6 queens by 7 minutes.
Even if whatever you said was true, what forbids any random zerg from building 6 queens(they actually do)?It's not like it's hard to use them, at all.Besides, MKP himself lost a very crucial game vs DRG after he had a decent lead because creep just wouldn't recede and he couldn't take a fourth@MLG. Nothing does.. they should do it (was said just earlier) Maybe they should make it so mules remove all creep within 50 range? Nah, when a mule drop, zerg is forced to leave. That would be cool as hell
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On June 12 2012 19:58 Vei wrote: soooooooooooooooo
idk about you guys
but I had no idea that Nestea used to be the KT Rolster (Flash's team) coach? crayzayyy Yea Flash said he was a genius!
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On June 12 2012 19:43 Seany wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 19:38 ImNightmare wrote:On June 12 2012 19:37 MVTaylor wrote:Naniwa absolutely doesn't want to cause controversy. johan lucchesi @QuanticNaNi cool shit, could hear korean commentators in game 1. i tell gsl but they just start the next game  . dont think creator cheat. just sad. zzzzz, again? Seriously? Why is it always naniwa who complains about things like this when so many other players have said nothing about it, which probably says something about naniwa's credibility? rofl its now bad to talk about issues like this??? I think being able to hear the commentators would be a pretty massive issue for a major tournament? and.. wouldn't it make him more credible? That he is honest enough to say something.. no?
NaNiwa has been playing in GOM studio for a while. If this is the first time he noticed it, then maybe something wasn't set up correctly that particular time. He can pause the game if he thought it was a problem. It's been done before.
Instead he goes "HEY I'm ABSOLUTELY NOT saying Creator cheats but hear me out..."
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On June 12 2012 19:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: FUCKING ALARM ARRRHGGGHH
Looks like Nestea is killing though and I'm just in time for at least another series.
Did he own theSTC? :D
Yup he crushed him, not even remotely close.
He also got a cool award for being in Code S for 10 seasons in a row ( a real award, not just a figurative one )
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Nestea's midgame composition was so frighteningly scary compared to the usual brand of ling infestor we see. If StC wanted to kill creep, he lost his army. If StC stayed passive, the creep would reach his 3rd. There was creep at StC's center base by 12 minutes wtf? Nestea crazy skilled. The banelings provide the buffer needed to allow those infested Terran eggs to hatch.
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Wolf is fantastic tonight
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On June 12 2012 19:57 Asha` wrote:johan lucchesi @QuanticNaNi ok checked the booth of creator. he couldnt hear anything  )) ggs . he played well! now can we stop this drama
I don't know why people were trying to turn it into cheating drama when Naniwa clearly said he wasn't accusing Creator of that. I think it's something that GOM should investigate though if a player claims they can hear the announcers, instead of ignoring it and just starting the game.
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On June 12 2012 19:58 Vei wrote: soooooooooooooooo
idk about you guys
but I had no idea that Nestea used to be the KT Rolster (Flash's team) coach? crayzayyy He appeared on old boy. he even talk a bit
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On June 12 2012 19:58 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 19:57 Asha` wrote:johan lucchesi @QuanticNaNi ok checked the booth of creator. he couldnt hear anything  )) ggs . he played well! now can we stop this drama still, both booths should be soundproof, even if Naniwa could only hear the commentators in game 1 for whatever reason
It would be in naniwas best interest to learn korean (so he's not bored for 3 hours during the Group noms for RO16 if he makes it there) then wouldnt it?! hahaha
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On June 12 2012 19:58 andropopp wrote: i wont call imba just yet because maybe theres some messiah build that some terran will find in the next couple weeks that deals with zerg completely and brings it into a even lategame
what irks me about the queen is its 2food and it actually KILLS 2stim/combat shield marines or a zealot or a stalker. In fact, queens FOOD FOR FOOD i believe can kill EVERY UNIT IN THE GAME (carrier, battlecruiser, roach, hydra, broodlord, collossi, banshee, voidray, hellion, tank, marauder)
the only units i think queens cannot beat is thor, ultralisk, and battlecruiser maybe (due to the high armor and health, but im not sure queens might almost win). and thats all WITHOUT transfuse being used. So queens are so powerful and PLUS they have transfuse which is like 1click for a instant massive heal instantly making another queen.... On paper queens do seem ultra powerful
MKP vs DRG at MLG showed that pretty much if the terran tries to rev his engine and power out with the zerg and compete in the lategame he gets toasted. MKP did beat Stephano with a pure marine marauder medivac army but i dont think that can be the answer it cant be stephano was just outmicro'ed he usually seems to lose steam at the end of tournaments and plenty engagement stephano could have won but didnt get the right fungals MKP was outmicro'ing but i think a zerg should be able to stop that from happening and get off good fungals and normally win so i dont think MMM is the true answer MKP was just insane that game and made it work
no i think theres another answer out there. or i hope there is. some messiah build will hopefully arrive and bring terran back into shape.... or at least i hope that will happen
So why doesn't everyone mass queen?
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On June 12 2012 19:55 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 19:52 liberate71 wrote: omg NesTea spreads creep and wins in RO32 - time to nerf zerg.
Calm yourselves. TheSTC is good, but he's no MarineKing/MVP... don't get ahead of yourselves. Not every zerg is building 6 queens by 7 minutes.
Even if whatever you said was true, what forbids any random zerg from building 6 queens(they actually do)?It's not like it's hard to use them, at all.Besides, MKP himself lost a very crucial game vs DRG after he had a decent lead because creep just wouldn't recede and he couldn't take a fourth@MLG.
Do you seriously believe that any random zerg could play like nestea? Sometimes I really wonder what happened to common sense. Just as any random terran can't play vs zerg like thestc or mkp/mvp can, some random zerg can also never play like nestea. Also as the casters pointed out like 10 times during that game, that 4th was not the only available expansion on the map for MKP, also it's not like it's impossible for terran to deny creep from getting to their normal 4th...
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On June 12 2012 19:57 Asha` wrote:johan lucchesi @QuanticNaNi ok checked the booth of creator. he couldnt hear anything  )) ggs . he played well! now can we stop this drama I am afraid the damage has been done. Mark my words, now when someone's favorite player loses they will blame it on the booths.
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