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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 05 2012 14:02 GMT
#2741
On June 05 2012 22:52 Durp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 22:49 ImNightmare wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:48 samurai80 wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:31 Noocta wrote:
So, well.
Can we start agreeing that Zerg might be a bit too strong right now ? Or it's still too soon ?
I don't have the stats right in front of me, but zerg probably won more games during GSTL than terran and protoss together.

Definitely too soon. It's crazy how there will always be terrans like u starting to complain everytime his favorite "godly" terran player has lost.

All the games won came from great zergs, and many times the choice was made to snipe then using a mirror opponent, resulting in even more zergs playing, therefore more zergs winning. We have to look at other know zergs like Leenock, DRG or Nestea playing ZvT or ZvP to see if they will have all improved in a huge way.

Wait until the GSL, if zergs are still owning shit up there, then we can say Zerg is op. Though with players like nestea still losing and drg losing, I doubt it. Symbol might have won lots of terrans but he won zergs too. He might just be a better player. You never know, tails defeated both MVP and nestea yet he has not have a good individual league performance yet


Wait until 3-4 months from now. If zergs are winning 70-80% of their matches, then they MAY be OP.


may? lol. 70-80% is heaps op, especially over a 3-4 month period
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
June 05 2012 14:05 GMT
#2742
On June 05 2012 22:59 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 22:55 AxionSteel wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:48 samurai80 wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:31 Noocta wrote:
So, well.
Can we start agreeing that Zerg might be a bit too strong right now ? Or it's still too soon ?
I don't have the stats right in front of me, but zerg probably won more games during GSTL than terran and protoss together.

and many times the choice was made to snipe them using a mirror opponent, resulting in even more zergs playing,.


I wonder why.


Because mirror matches leave more importance to chance. And you will be more likely to be able to kill a too strong player in a match giving more importance to luck. Because if he's too strong, it will be hard to beat him in a fair game. That is obviously the reason. And if you saw the series you should be able to figure it out yourself.


I saw most of the zvzs the last few days, and there wasn't a lot of chancey wins there as far as i'm concerned, better player usually won, quite a lot of long games. Mistakes caused the losses, rather than BO coinflips etc. Maybe I don't understand ZvZ that well though.
InMotion
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada110 Posts
June 05 2012 14:10 GMT
#2743
On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date


Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 14:13:00
June 05 2012 14:11 GMT
#2744
I'm speechless.......reverse all-kill? what the hell IM... ;( what the hell. Symbol on a 12 game win streak.
tiny bit of saving grace is that I'm happy to see Losira doing well.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
June 05 2012 14:12 GMT
#2745
On June 05 2012 23:05 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 22:59 samurai80 wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:55 AxionSteel wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:48 samurai80 wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:31 Noocta wrote:
So, well.
Can we start agreeing that Zerg might be a bit too strong right now ? Or it's still too soon ?
I don't have the stats right in front of me, but zerg probably won more games during GSTL than terran and protoss together.

and many times the choice was made to snipe them using a mirror opponent, resulting in even more zergs playing,.


I wonder why.


Because mirror matches leave more importance to chance. And you will be more likely to be able to kill a too strong player in a match giving more importance to luck. Because if he's too strong, it will be hard to beat him in a fair game. That is obviously the reason. And if you saw the series you should be able to figure it out yourself.


I saw most of the zvzs the last few days, and there wasn't a lot of chancey wins there as far as i'm concerned, better player usually won, quite a lot of long games. Mistakes caused the losses, rather than BO coinflips etc. Maybe I don't understand ZvZ that well though.

This is true. These matches ended up mostly in great matches and no coin flips. Which is actually kind of rare in ZvZ. But still the mirror matches were chosen hoping for these kind of small mistakes in the early game, like a baneling not dodged well enough or anything like that. It just didn't happen but imo it was the purpose of choosing a zerg to snipe another.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
June 05 2012 14:13 GMT
#2746
On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date


Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias.

Considering Symbol would probably have all-killed Fnatic yesterday too, that's almost 2 back-to-back all-kill. Considering the density of skill in Korea that's really impressive. As for MKP, he has history with Startale including a game he should have lost.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 14:14:09
June 05 2012 14:14 GMT
#2747
On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date


Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias.


Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup
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s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
June 05 2012 14:15 GMT
#2748
On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:
On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date


Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias.


Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup


Especially considering ST really lacks a top-end Zerg.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
June 05 2012 14:15 GMT
#2749
On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:
On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date


Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias.


Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup

Well basically said, reverse all-kill > "simple" all-kill
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 14:17:04
June 05 2012 14:16 GMT
#2750
On June 05 2012 23:15 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:
On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:
On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date


Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias.


Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup


Especially considering ST really lacks a top-end Zerg.

IM lacks a top-end protoss, a ST's all kill was 6-0 rather than 5-4.

On June 05 2012 23:13 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:
On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date


Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias.

Considering Symbol would probably have all-killed Fnatic yesterday too, that's almost 2 back-to-back all-kill. Considering the density of skill in Korea that's really impressive. As for MKP, he has history with Startale including a game he should have lost.


MKP also came off a 10-1 record last GSTL...
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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MyFirstProbe
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands294 Posts
June 05 2012 14:16 GMT
#2751
On June 05 2012 23:15 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:
On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:
On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date


Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias.


Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup


Especially considering ST really lacks a top-end Zerg.


IM lacks a top protoss...
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
June 05 2012 14:17 GMT
#2752
On June 05 2012 23:16 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:15 s3rp wrote:
On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:
On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:
On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date


Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias.


Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup


Especially considering ST really lacks a top-end Zerg.

IM lacks a top-end protoss.

Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:13 Otolia wrote:
On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:
On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date


Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias.

Considering Symbol would probably have all-killed Fnatic yesterday too, that's almost 2 back-to-back all-kill. Considering the density of skill in Korea that's really impressive. As for MKP, he has history with Startale including a game he should have lost.


MKP also came off a 10-1 record last GSTL...

MC wasnt there
Shadow_Dog
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada427 Posts
June 05 2012 14:19 GMT
#2753
IMO IM should've sent out Seed. Whether he would win or not I think that he' a better choice than sending out YoDa. I guess teams that play TSL in the future will probably have a sniper for this types of situations.
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
June 05 2012 14:20 GMT
#2754
On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:
On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date


Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias.


Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup


lol no

IM's top lineup is MVP, and that's it.

Nestea hasn't done anything impressive lately.

ST had Bomber, Curious, Squirtle and Parting, as well as Ace who's been tearing shit up lately. Much more impressive
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 14:21:49
June 05 2012 14:20 GMT
#2755
On June 05 2012 23:15 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:
On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:
On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date


Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias.


Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup


Especially considering ST really lacks a top-end Zerg.


Curious is on the same level as nestea and losira
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
June 05 2012 14:22 GMT
#2756
I say Symbol's AK is more impressive, because it was live in studio AND the incredible pressure of reverse AK. The player killed were pretty even overall in term of current skill (GSL titles not withstanding).
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
GodOfWar
Profile Joined December 2011
870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 14:23:39
June 05 2012 14:22 GMT
#2757
On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date


Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias.


Yea that was KSL, but SymboL has a 9-win streak in GSTL so far, destroying two good teams on his own.

Thats almost more impressive tbh.
Mvp Moon Squirtle
noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
June 05 2012 14:24 GMT
#2758
On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:
On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date


Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias.


Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup


Not really. Ugh, disgusting bias from anti-fans. Both of these results are very impressive but I wouldn't say Symbol's play was particularly more impressive.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
June 05 2012 14:24 GMT
#2759
On June 05 2012 23:22 GodOfWar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:
On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date


Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias.


Yea that was KSL, but SymboL has a 9-win streak in GSTL so far, destroying two good teams on his own.

Thats almost more impressive tbh.


He also have a 12-0 streak in GOM studio
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
June 05 2012 14:24 GMT
#2760
On June 05 2012 23:16 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:15 s3rp wrote:
On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:
On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:
On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date


Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias.


Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup


Especially considering ST really lacks a top-end Zerg.

IM lacks a top-end protoss, a ST's all kill was 6-0 rather than 5-4.

Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:13 Otolia wrote:
On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:
On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date


Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias.

Considering Symbol would probably have all-killed Fnatic yesterday too, that's almost 2 back-to-back all-kill. Considering the density of skill in Korea that's really impressive. As for MKP, he has history with Startale including a game he should have lost.


MKP also came off a 10-1 record last GSTL...

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