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ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 13:44:17
June 05 2012 13:43 GMT
#2721
On June 05 2012 22:42 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 22:40 ImNightmare wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:38 s3rp wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:36 ImNightmare wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:33 s3rp wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:31 ImNightmare wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:30 s3rp wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:25 samurai80 wrote:
On June 05 2012 21:57 ragnorr wrote:
On June 05 2012 21:57 Fubi wrote:
[quote]
MC beat Symbol in a BoX recently didnt he?

Symbol 2-0'ed him in MLG Arena

Oh I didn't know that. I know Symbol lost to MC 0-2 in Iron Squid though. I do think we still need to see more of Symbol's vP to judge. AFA his vT and vZ are concerned, he's really awesome and I'm becoming a fan !


Ironsquid was before the Queenbuff though right ?

Queen buff doesn't help in z v p. Its mainly for z v t.


Not true Queenbuff kills any scouting after for Toss once Queens are out until Observers and also helps with some pressure builds with Zealots .

What is there to scout in P v Z. There is no all in that would work before the 8 min mark. Though I do agree with the zealot pressure builds, albeit just a little


The 3 Base Ling/Bling Bust Zenio like to play irc hits at that point.

You see more than 4 lings, you assume a all in. Simple as that. And its retarded to all in to be honest, as a zerg if I wanna all in I would do a 6 pool. faster and cooler.


And how do you see more than 4 Lings ? He's not going to move out with more than 4 untill he cleared the way to your base ?

you need 4 lings to kill a zealot, just put one zealot at the zel naga tower. They tell you everything. If you see 6 you assume a all in. it doesn't hurt to drop 2 more cannons.
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
June 05 2012 13:43 GMT
#2722
On June 05 2012 22:41 ShampooSuicide wrote:
Really wish MC was there though, would have loved to see that game. Even though MC is my favorite player, I know in team leagues hes a complete dice roll. He takes risk and does all ins while great for mind games in a best of series, in a single game you never know what happens so hes just as likely to win or loss.

Don't worry, they'll get another chance. With MC, they'll crush Fnatic for sure (unless Moon goes crazy or something).
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
June 05 2012 13:44 GMT
#2723
On June 05 2012 22:43 polyphonyEX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 22:41 ShampooSuicide wrote:
Really wish MC was there though, would have loved to see that game. Even though MC is my favorite player, I know in team leagues hes a complete dice roll. He takes risk and does all ins while great for mind games in a best of series, in a single game you never know what happens so hes just as likely to win or loss.

Don't worry, they'll get another chance. With MC, they'll crush Fnatic for sure (unless Moon goes crazy or something).

They are playing fnatic tomorrow and MC will still be in Usa right?
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
June 05 2012 13:45 GMT
#2724
How is Symbol not #1 ELO yet?

WOW!
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 13:48:49
June 05 2012 13:48 GMT
#2725
On June 05 2012 22:31 Noocta wrote:
So, well.
Can we start agreeing that Zerg might be a bit too strong right now ? Or it's still too soon ?
I don't have the stats right in front of me, but zerg probably won more games during GSTL than terran and protoss together.

Definitely too soon. It's crazy how there will always be terrans like u starting to complain everytime his favorite "godly" terran player has lost.

All the games won came from great zergs, and many times the choice was made to snipe them using a mirror opponent, resulting in even more zergs playing, therefore more zergs winning. We have to look at other known zergs like Leenock, DRG or Nestea playing ZvT or ZvP to see if they will have all improved in a huge way.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
June 05 2012 13:48 GMT
#2726
Hey Fionn, where is our hype thread??????!!!!!!

stephano is coming for next round!!!!!!!
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
June 05 2012 13:49 GMT
#2727
Seems like the vods aren't up yet, or my GOM is all glitchy

I still can't believe the results
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 13:51:13
June 05 2012 13:49 GMT
#2728
On June 05 2012 22:48 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 22:31 Noocta wrote:
So, well.
Can we start agreeing that Zerg might be a bit too strong right now ? Or it's still too soon ?
I don't have the stats right in front of me, but zerg probably won more games during GSTL than terran and protoss together.

Definitely too soon. It's crazy how there will always be terrans like u starting to complain everytime his favorite "godly" terran player has lost.

All the games won came from great zergs, and many times the choice was made to snipe then using a mirror opponent, resulting in even more zergs playing, therefore more zergs winning. We have to look at other know zergs like Leenock, DRG or Nestea playing ZvT or ZvP to see if they will have all improved in a huge way.

Wait until the GSL, if zergs are still owning shit up there, then we can say Zerg is op. Though with players like nestea still losing and drg losing, I doubt it. Symbol might have won lots of terrans but he won zergs too. He might just be a better player. You never know, tails defeated both MVP and nestea yet he has not have a good individual league performance yet
ShampooSuicide
Profile Joined June 2010
United States58 Posts
June 05 2012 13:51 GMT
#2729
On June 05 2012 22:44 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 22:43 polyphonyEX wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:41 ShampooSuicide wrote:
Really wish MC was there though, would have loved to see that game. Even though MC is my favorite player, I know in team leagues hes a complete dice roll. He takes risk and does all ins while great for mind games in a best of series, in a single game you never know what happens so hes just as likely to win or loss.

Don't worry, they'll get another chance. With MC, they'll crush Fnatic for sure (unless Moon goes crazy or something).

They are playing fnatic tomorrow and MC will still be in Usa right?


Yeah, he is there until after MLG at least. Maybe longer if he has anything planned i don't know.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
June 05 2012 13:51 GMT
#2730
On June 05 2012 22:31 Noocta wrote:
So, well.
Can we start agreeing that Zerg might be a bit too strong right now ? Or it's still too soon ?
I don't have the stats right in front of me, but zerg probably won more games during GSTL than terran and protoss together.

Also, check GSL race representation :
code A : T=14, P=12, Z=14
code S : T=13, P=10, Z=9
GSL overall : T= 27, P= 22, Z=23

Oh so protoss and zergs are starting to get close to the number of terrans !? What !? OMG terran is becoming such a weak race, Blizzard has to buff it as soon as possible !!

So now you're gonna tell me that's because terran players are naturally better, so that it's should be normal to find twice more of them than the other race players.

Stop that please, we're all really tired of this same refrain every time.
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 13:55:41
June 05 2012 13:52 GMT
#2731
On June 05 2012 22:49 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 22:48 samurai80 wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:31 Noocta wrote:
So, well.
Can we start agreeing that Zerg might be a bit too strong right now ? Or it's still too soon ?
I don't have the stats right in front of me, but zerg probably won more games during GSTL than terran and protoss together.

Definitely too soon. It's crazy how there will always be terrans like u starting to complain everytime his favorite "godly" terran player has lost.

All the games won came from great zergs, and many times the choice was made to snipe then using a mirror opponent, resulting in even more zergs playing, therefore more zergs winning. We have to look at other know zergs like Leenock, DRG or Nestea playing ZvT or ZvP to see if they will have all improved in a huge way.

Wait until the GSL, if zergs are still owning shit up there, then we can say Zerg is op. Though with players like nestea still losing and drg losing, I doubt it. Symbol might have won lots of terrans but he won zergs too. He might just be a better player. You never know, tails defeated both MVP and nestea yet he has not have a good individual league performance yet


No we can't.
Two weeks of success does not mean anything.

This is the mentality that causes all the bullshit OP discussion in the first place.
Wait until 3-4 months from now. If zergs are winning 70-80% of their matches, then they MAY be OP. It's still relatively close to when the patches were last in place, and the variations/changes those patches had on builds are only just now being worked out (zergs are now figuring out better OV timings, exact queen numbers, creep spread timings, etc).

Also, and while this concept may be mindblowing to some people, maybe Symbol is just that good?
edit; the guy has fucking Polt as a practice partner

edit2: fixed the quote, quoted before your edit
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
GodOfWar
Profile Joined December 2011
870 Posts
June 05 2012 13:52 GMT
#2732
SymboL, better than Leenock and NesTea at this point.
Mvp Moon Squirtle
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
June 05 2012 13:53 GMT
#2733
AHHH YEAAAHHHHH

TSL FIGHTING!
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
June 05 2012 13:53 GMT
#2734
Holy crap, first reverse all-kill in GSTL history. Why did I sleep today?
Life is too short to take it seriously.
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
June 05 2012 13:53 GMT
#2735
On June 05 2012 22:52 Durp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 22:49 ImNightmare wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:48 samurai80 wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:31 Noocta wrote:
So, well.
Can we start agreeing that Zerg might be a bit too strong right now ? Or it's still too soon ?
I don't have the stats right in front of me, but zerg probably won more games during GSTL than terran and protoss together.

Definitely too soon. It's crazy how there will always be terrans like u starting to complain everytime his favorite "godly" terran player has lost.

All the games won came from great zergs, and many times the choice was made to snipe then using a mirror opponent, resulting in even more zergs playing, therefore more zergs winning. We have to look at other know zergs like Leenock, DRG or Nestea playing ZvT or ZvP to see if they will have all improved in a huge way.

Wait until the GSL, if zergs are still owning shit up there, then we can say Zerg is op.

No we can't.
Two weeks of success does not mean anything.

This is the mentality that causes all the bullshit OP discussion in the first place.
Wait until 3-4 months from now. If zergs are winning 70-80% of their matches, then they're OP. It's still relatively close to when the patches were last in place, and the variations/changes those patches had on builds are only just now being worked out (zergs are now figuring out better OV timings, exact queen numbers, creep spread timings, etc).

Also, and while this concept may be mindblowing to some people, maybe Symbol is just that good?

Please quote my entire post, I don't want to get banned for a mistake. I said, I DOUBT SO. AND MAYBE SYMBOL IS JUST THE BETTER PLAYER.
Slangen
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden1166 Posts
June 05 2012 13:54 GMT
#2736
This is so freaking epic. And funny
Fnatic - TSM - EG
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
June 05 2012 13:55 GMT
#2737
On June 05 2012 22:48 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 22:31 Noocta wrote:
So, well.
Can we start agreeing that Zerg might be a bit too strong right now ? Or it's still too soon ?
I don't have the stats right in front of me, but zerg probably won more games during GSTL than terran and protoss together.

and many times the choice was made to snipe them using a mirror opponent, resulting in even more zergs playing,.


I wonder why.

ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 14:00:20
June 05 2012 13:59 GMT
#2738
On June 05 2012 22:55 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 22:48 samurai80 wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:31 Noocta wrote:
So, well.
Can we start agreeing that Zerg might be a bit too strong right now ? Or it's still too soon ?
I don't have the stats right in front of me, but zerg probably won more games during GSTL than terran and protoss together.

and many times the choice was made to snipe them using a mirror opponent, resulting in even more zergs playing,.


I wonder why.


Symbol was responsible for zergs domination in GSTL. He was half the reason of zergs gstl record. And since to many people z v z is so volatile, its of course logical to snipe using another zerg if terran and protosses are falling to him but symbol is just too well rounded. we will see a few weeks later in GSL the state of zerg.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
June 05 2012 13:59 GMT
#2739
On June 05 2012 22:55 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 22:48 samurai80 wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:31 Noocta wrote:
So, well.
Can we start agreeing that Zerg might be a bit too strong right now ? Or it's still too soon ?
I don't have the stats right in front of me, but zerg probably won more games during GSTL than terran and protoss together.

and many times the choice was made to snipe them using a mirror opponent, resulting in even more zergs playing,.


I wonder why.


Because mirror matches leave more importance to chance. And you will be more likely to be able to kill a too strong player in a match giving more importance to luck. Because if he's too strong, it will be hard to beat him in a fair game. That is obviously the reason. And if you saw the series you should be able to figure it out yourself.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
June 05 2012 14:01 GMT
#2740
On June 05 2012 22:55 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 22:48 samurai80 wrote:
On June 05 2012 22:31 Noocta wrote:
So, well.
Can we start agreeing that Zerg might be a bit too strong right now ? Or it's still too soon ?
I don't have the stats right in front of me, but zerg probably won more games during GSTL than terran and protoss together.

and many times the choice was made to snipe them using a mirror opponent, resulting in even more zergs playing,.


I wonder why.


And btw, stop doing these partial quotes.
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