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Losira - pretty damn good
Yoda - average good
Happy - slightly better than average good
Mvp - really damn good
Nestea - pretty damn good
bomber - can be average to really damn good, averages around the pretty damn good mark
curious - prretty damn good
parting - slightly better than pretty damn good, but not quite really damn good
ace - better than average good
hack - slightly better than average good
squirtle - really damn good
i think the skill is a bit harder in ST's 6-kill.
On June 05 2012 23:24 noddy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias. Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup Not really. Ugh, disgusting bias from anti-fans. Both of these results are very impressive but I wouldn't say Symbol's play was particularly more impressive.
especially since three of his wins were kinda eeehhhh [against the terrans]. the zvzs were very impressive though
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On June 05 2012 23:24 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 23:16 opterown wrote:On June 05 2012 23:15 s3rp wrote:On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias. Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup Especially considering ST really lacks a top-end Zerg. IM lacks a top-end protoss, a ST's all kill was 6-0 rather than 5-4. On June 05 2012 23:13 Otolia wrote:On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias. Considering Symbol would probably have all-killed Fnatic yesterday too, that's almost 2 back-to-back all-kill. Considering the density of skill in Korea that's really impressive. As for MKP, he has history with Startale including a game he should have lost. MKP also came off a 10-1 record last GSTL... With the help of a computer ....
No.
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On June 05 2012 23:25 opterown wrote:Losira - pretty damn good Yoda - average good Happy - slightly better than average good Mvp - really damn good Nestea - pretty damn good bomber - can be average to really damn good, averages around the pretty damn good mark curious - prretty damn good parting - slightly better than pretty damn good, but not quite really damn good ace - slightly better than average good hack - slightly better than average good squirtle - really damn good i think the skill is a bit harder in ST's 6-kill. Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 23:24 noddy wrote:On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias. Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup Not really. Ugh, disgusting bias from anti-fans. Both of these results are very impressive but I wouldn't say Symbol's play was particularly more impressive. especially since three of his wins were kinda eeehhhh [against the terrans]
I think that Symbols was better b.c of the pressure. His team was down and he was the last man standing. He had to go 5 games knowing it could be the end of his team run in each game. I'm not discrediting Marineking, but its harder to do a reverse all kill from a deficit. There is a lack of belief when your down 4-0.
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I think they would have been able to take down Symbol if they had MC
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On June 05 2012 23:30 SilentVico wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 23:25 opterown wrote:Losira - pretty damn good Yoda - average good Happy - slightly better than average good Mvp - really damn good Nestea - pretty damn good bomber - can be average to really damn good, averages around the pretty damn good mark curious - prretty damn good parting - slightly better than pretty damn good, but not quite really damn good ace - slightly better than average good hack - slightly better than average good squirtle - really damn good i think the skill is a bit harder in ST's 6-kill. On June 05 2012 23:24 noddy wrote:On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias. Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup Not really. Ugh, disgusting bias from anti-fans. Both of these results are very impressive but I wouldn't say Symbol's play was particularly more impressive. especially since three of his wins were kinda eeehhhh [against the terrans] I think that Symbols was better b.c of the pressure. His team was down and he was the last man standing. He had to go 5 games knowing it could be the end of his team run in each game. I'm not discrediting Marineking, but its harder to do a reverse all kill from a deficit. There is a lack of believe when your down 4-0.
fair enough, but there's always the possibility that players can perform better under pressure. e.g. mkp will crumble, but some can really rise to the occasion.
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I would say Hack is average good and Ace is pretty damn good. And you forgot July and Virus who are both slightly better than average good.
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On June 05 2012 23:25 opterown wrote:Losira - pretty damn good Yoda - average good Happy - slightly better than average good Mvp - really damn good Nestea - pretty damn good bomber - can be average to really damn good, averages around the pretty damn good mark curious - prretty damn good parting - slightly better than pretty damn good, but not quite really damn good ace - slightly better than average good hack - slightly better than average good squirtle - really damn good i think the skill is a bit harder in ST's 6-kill. Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 23:24 noddy wrote:On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias. Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup Not really. Ugh, disgusting bias from anti-fans. Both of these results are very impressive but I wouldn't say Symbol's play was particularly more impressive. especially since three of his wins were kinda eeehhhh [against the terrans]. the zvzs were very impressive though
Happy - pretty damn good with 75% TvZ win rate in Korea 
On June 05 2012 23:30 SilentVico wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 23:25 opterown wrote:Losira - pretty damn good Yoda - average good Happy - slightly better than average good Mvp - really damn good Nestea - pretty damn good bomber - can be average to really damn good, averages around the pretty damn good mark curious - prretty damn good parting - slightly better than pretty damn good, but not quite really damn good ace - slightly better than average good hack - slightly better than average good squirtle - really damn good i think the skill is a bit harder in ST's 6-kill. On June 05 2012 23:24 noddy wrote:On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias. Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup Not really. Ugh, disgusting bias from anti-fans. Both of these results are very impressive but I wouldn't say Symbol's play was particularly more impressive. especially since three of his wins were kinda eeehhhh [against the terrans] I think that Symbols was better b.c of the pressure. His team was down and he was the last man standing. He had to go 5 games knowing it could be the end of his team run in each game. I'm not discrediting Marineking, but its harder to do a reverse all kill from a deficit. There is a lack of believe when your down 4-0.
agreed.
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On June 05 2012 23:31 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 23:30 SilentVico wrote:On June 05 2012 23:25 opterown wrote:Losira - pretty damn good Yoda - average good Happy - slightly better than average good Mvp - really damn good Nestea - pretty damn good bomber - can be average to really damn good, averages around the pretty damn good mark curious - prretty damn good parting - slightly better than pretty damn good, but not quite really damn good ace - slightly better than average good hack - slightly better than average good squirtle - really damn good i think the skill is a bit harder in ST's 6-kill. On June 05 2012 23:24 noddy wrote:On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias. Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup Not really. Ugh, disgusting bias from anti-fans. Both of these results are very impressive but I wouldn't say Symbol's play was particularly more impressive. especially since three of his wins were kinda eeehhhh [against the terrans] I think that Symbols was better b.c of the pressure. His team was down and he was the last man standing. He had to go 5 games knowing it could be the end of his team run in each game. I'm not discrediting Marineking, but its harder to do a reverse all kill from a deficit. There is a lack of believe when your down 4-0. fair enough, but there's always the possibility that players can perform better under pressure. e.g. mkp will crumble, but some can really rise to the occasion.
Agreed. Some players are better with pressure.
I remember Maru in UnD & Code S doing much better only after he was behind in points.
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On June 05 2012 23:32 GodOfWar wrote:
I would say Hack is average good and Ace is pretty damn good. And you forgot July and Virus who are both slightly better than average good.
virus and july didn't play against mkp though
On June 05 2012 23:32 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 23:25 opterown wrote:Losira - pretty damn good Yoda - average good Happy - slightly better than average good Mvp - really damn good Nestea - pretty damn good bomber - can be average to really damn good, averages around the pretty damn good mark curious - prretty damn good parting - slightly better than pretty damn good, but not quite really damn good ace - slightly better than average good hack - slightly better than average good squirtle - really damn good i think the skill is a bit harder in ST's 6-kill. On June 05 2012 23:24 noddy wrote:On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias. Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup Not really. Ugh, disgusting bias from anti-fans. Both of these results are very impressive but I wouldn't say Symbol's play was particularly more impressive. especially since three of his wins were kinda eeehhhh [against the terrans]. the zvzs were very impressive though Happy - pretty damn good with 75% TvZ win rate in Korea
happy is kinda derp tvz lately. last ten games is 40%
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Symbol just on another level right now. Reverse AK vs IM? Insanity.
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On June 05 2012 23:24 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 23:16 opterown wrote:On June 05 2012 23:15 s3rp wrote:On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias. Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup Especially considering ST really lacks a top-end Zerg. IM lacks a top-end protoss, a ST's all kill was 6-0 rather than 5-4. On June 05 2012 23:13 Otolia wrote:On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias. Considering Symbol would probably have all-killed Fnatic yesterday too, that's almost 2 back-to-back all-kill. Considering the density of skill in Korea that's really impressive. As for MKP, he has history with Startale including a game he should have lost. MKP also came off a 10-1 record last GSTL... With the help of a computer ....
please collect your tears and send them to me. I'd love to drink them. :-)
I find it really funny that there are so many people, that are still not over it.
I think both performances have been really impressive and shouldn't be compared to which one was better. MKP vs ST was the pressure of the rematch, since also ST players are still not over it and keep BMing towards prime. And Symbol hat the pressure of not making any mistake for his team's sake. Both impressive results. This will heat up towards the MKP vs Symbol game. Really looking forward to it!
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On June 05 2012 23:16 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 23:15 s3rp wrote:On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias. Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup Especially considering ST really lacks a top-end Zerg. IM lacks a top-end protoss, a ST's all kill was 6-0 rather than 5-4.Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 23:13 Otolia wrote:On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias. Considering Symbol would probably have all-killed Fnatic yesterday too, that's almost 2 back-to-back all-kill. Considering the density of skill in Korea that's really impressive. As for MKP, he has history with Startale including a game he should have lost. MKP also came off a 10-1 record last GSTL...
Current Meta-Game = Zerg very very strong so strong Zergs = great.
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WTF ! kill the IM coach !!!!
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On June 05 2012 23:33 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 23:32 GodOfWar wrote:
I would say Hack is average good and Ace is pretty damn good. And you forgot July and Virus who are both slightly better than average good. virus and july didn't play against mkp though Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 23:32 dragonborn wrote:On June 05 2012 23:25 opterown wrote:Losira - pretty damn good Yoda - average good Happy - slightly better than average good Mvp - really damn good Nestea - pretty damn good bomber - can be average to really damn good, averages around the pretty damn good mark curious - prretty damn good parting - slightly better than pretty damn good, but not quite really damn good ace - slightly better than average good hack - slightly better than average good squirtle - really damn good i think the skill is a bit harder in ST's 6-kill. On June 05 2012 23:24 noddy wrote:On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias. Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup Not really. Ugh, disgusting bias from anti-fans. Both of these results are very impressive but I wouldn't say Symbol's play was particularly more impressive. especially since three of his wins were kinda eeehhhh [against the terrans]. the zvzs were very impressive though Happy - pretty damn good with 75% TvZ win rate in Korea happy is kinda derp tvz lately. last ten games is 40%
what? happy is 7-3 in his last ten games.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=2745&part=games&league=standard&vs=Z
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On June 05 2012 22:52 Durp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 22:49 ImNightmare wrote:On June 05 2012 22:48 samurai80 wrote:On June 05 2012 22:31 Noocta wrote:
So, well.
Can we start agreeing that Zerg might be a bit too strong right now ? Or it's still too soon ?
I don't have the stats right in front of me, but zerg probably won more games during GSTL than terran and protoss together. Definitely too soon. It's crazy how there will always be terrans like u starting to complain everytime his favorite "godly" terran player has lost. All the games won came from great zergs, and many times the choice was made to snipe then using a mirror opponent, resulting in even more zergs playing, therefore more zergs winning. We have to look at other know zergs like Leenock, DRG or Nestea playing ZvT or ZvP to see if they will have all improved in a huge way. Wait until the GSL, if zergs are still owning shit up there, then we can say Zerg is op. Though with players like nestea still losing and drg losing, I doubt it. Symbol might have won lots of terrans but he won zergs too. He might just be a better player. You never know, tails defeated both MVP and nestea yet he has not have a good individual league performance yet No we can't. Two weeks of success does not mean anything. This is the mentality that causes all the bullshit OP discussion in the first place. Wait until 3-4 months from now. If zergs are winning 70-80% of their matches, then they MAY be OP. It's still relatively close to when the patches were last in place, and the variations/changes those patches had on builds are only just now being worked out (zergs are now figuring out better OV timings, exact queen numbers, creep spread timings, etc). Also, and while this concept may be mindblowing to some people, maybe Symbol is just that good? edit; the guy has fucking Polt as a practice partner edit2: fixed the quote, quoted before your edit
To be fair, even Beta terran didn't pass the 60%.
I'm just feeling a bit worried because, as someone said it some weeks ago, when zerg don't complain about anything, it's often because something is wrong about the game.
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actually, offtopic, but i think the most impressive run so far is leenock's mlg providence run, going 38-5 or something like that. dropping three games to DRG, one to naniwa and one to MMA.
sure, his open bracket first matches may have been against NA pros or the like, but leenock took out MMA, Mvp, DRG, Oz, Naniwa, Idra, and Huk (lol).
just my personal take on most impressive achievement so far =]
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On June 05 2012 23:39 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 23:33 opterown wrote:On June 05 2012 23:32 GodOfWar wrote:
I would say Hack is average good and Ace is pretty damn good. And you forgot July and Virus who are both slightly better than average good. virus and july didn't play against mkp though On June 05 2012 23:32 dragonborn wrote:On June 05 2012 23:25 opterown wrote:Losira - pretty damn good Yoda - average good Happy - slightly better than average good Mvp - really damn good Nestea - pretty damn good bomber - can be average to really damn good, averages around the pretty damn good mark curious - prretty damn good parting - slightly better than pretty damn good, but not quite really damn good ace - slightly better than average good hack - slightly better than average good squirtle - really damn good i think the skill is a bit harder in ST's 6-kill. On June 05 2012 23:24 noddy wrote:On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias. Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup Not really. Ugh, disgusting bias from anti-fans. Both of these results are very impressive but I wouldn't say Symbol's play was particularly more impressive. especially since three of his wins were kinda eeehhhh [against the terrans]. the zvzs were very impressive though Happy - pretty damn good with 75% TvZ win rate in Korea happy is kinda derp tvz lately. last ten games is 40% what? happy is 7-3 in his last ten games. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=2745&part=games&league=standard&vs=Z
nono you need to check 'all leagues'
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=2745&part=games&vs=Z&league=any&map=any&from_year=2011&from_month=4&from_day=25&to_year=2012&to_month=5&to_day=27&action=Update
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On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias. Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup
Asha' said one of the best.
Right now I'd actually argue that in a team league the AK of Startale is more impressive. MKP also had to beat six players rather than five, though that's negligible.
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On June 05 2012 23:41 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 23:39 dragonborn wrote:On June 05 2012 23:33 opterown wrote:On June 05 2012 23:32 GodOfWar wrote:
I would say Hack is average good and Ace is pretty damn good. And you forgot July and Virus who are both slightly better than average good. virus and july didn't play against mkp though On June 05 2012 23:32 dragonborn wrote:On June 05 2012 23:25 opterown wrote:Losira - pretty damn good Yoda - average good Happy - slightly better than average good Mvp - really damn good Nestea - pretty damn good bomber - can be average to really damn good, averages around the pretty damn good mark curious - prretty damn good parting - slightly better than pretty damn good, but not quite really damn good ace - slightly better than average good hack - slightly better than average good squirtle - really damn good i think the skill is a bit harder in ST's 6-kill. On June 05 2012 23:24 noddy wrote:On June 05 2012 23:14 Inflicted_ wrote:On June 05 2012 23:10 InMotion wrote:On June 05 2012 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Probably one of the best solo performances in SC2 to date Unless it's MKP destroying StarTale 6-0. I love bias. Reverse All-kill of IM's top lineup > All-kill of StarTale's top lineup Not really. Ugh, disgusting bias from anti-fans. Both of these results are very impressive but I wouldn't say Symbol's play was particularly more impressive. especially since three of his wins were kinda eeehhhh [against the terrans]. the zvzs were very impressive though Happy - pretty damn good with 75% TvZ win rate in Korea happy is kinda derp tvz lately. last ten games is 40% what? happy is 7-3 in his last ten games. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=2745&part=games&league=standard&vs=Z nono you need to check 'all leagues' http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=2745&part=games&vs=Z&league=any&map=any&from_year=2011&from_month=4&from_day=25&to_year=2012&to_month=5&to_day=27&action=Update
aah didnt know that 
i think IM coach didnt send Seed because Symbol beat him at GSL / last GSTL.
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WOW SYMBOL LOL
just watched the vods WTF
is he the next zerg bonjwa!?
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