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On May 29 2012 23:39 ZeroSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 22:52 MangoMountain wrote:On May 29 2012 22:09 mcc wrote:On May 29 2012 22:05 TheDougler wrote:
Well, not the greatest result to wake up to...
I kind of disagree with sending out Zenio first when you only have two koreans available as that is very likely going to result in putting HUGE pressure on Hero. Still, guess it did get momentum on Liquid's side however briefly.
Really hope liquid can turn it around for the next one, but it gets more difficult from here on out. I think sending Hero against Life right away was not the best idea. I think trying to snipe him with Zergs might have been better and then hope for Hero 3-kill Life has an 80% win rate in zvz... 83 % even....that should be the 2nd best next to NesTea... I think he could even rape DRG, and it wouldnt even look like an upset.
Maybe.DRG also has a 83% ZvZ winrate in Korea.It would be quite even.
Funny thing people has been saying that DRG ZvT is his best match-up although stastically his best match-up
is ZvZ.Though DRG is all-around solid player in all match-up not so sure about Life other match-up though he did beat Hero
and Jinro pretty easily.
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On May 30 2012 00:08 windsupernova wrote:
Ouch just saw the results. Was it as painful as the results make it seem or were the games at least close?
Was not close. None of the foreigners look at all promising from a GSTL perspective  good luck to them the rest of the way though.
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why does life bring so much death ~.~ gg
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Quite a painful loss, but Life played amazingly well. Hopefully liquid will only get better from here! :D
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Not having Tajea, Ret, or Sheth, really hurt
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On May 30 2012 01:38 Apollo_Shards wrote:Not having Tajea, Ret, or Sheth, really hurt
Agreed. This was basically their worst possible lineup. TLO and Jinro have potential, but are not there yet. Regardless, I admire their commitment and giving it their all. There's clearly no shame losing to life, however. He was the one who took out Hero and we really can't underplay how good Hero is.
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On May 30 2012 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 01:38 Apollo_Shards wrote:Not having Tajea, Ret, or Sheth, really hurt Agreed. This was basically their worst possible lineup. TLO and Jinro have potential, but are not there yet. Regardless, I admire their commitment and giving it their all. There's clearly no shame losing to life, however. He was the one who took out Hero and we really can't underplay how good Hero is.
TLO is playing quite well lately.
But not having ret will hurt'em quite a bit.
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Now we can only hope for them to beat NHS and pray for a miracle against SlayerS.
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It's alright Liquid, next time you shall be twice as strong.
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Ouch, can't say I'm surprised though.
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Be proud that Team Liquid is participating in GSTL, it's awesome to see them on the big Korean stage as a Team.
But one has to see with a 5 players line-up there is really nothing you can do in Team leagues, except you have only Code S and really good Code A players in there.
With only HerO and Zenio as proven Code A/S material it's really hard. With Taeja in the picture they will have a better chance but it will still be very hard to take at least one Team League Win.
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TL needs Ret, Sheth, and TaeJa!
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On May 29 2012 21:24 Harrad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 21:09 Embir wrote:
Liquid can choose one of two paths: became competitive SC2 team, or remain big family of young guys that like to play SC2. If they want to choose the first path they need to change their rooster quickly. The problem is that is pretty much what defines Team Liquid. A family-like, close-knit small team of friends. It's also what a lot of the more casual (and thus quite numerous) community wants to see: a personable, community-friendly foreigner team that's fighting against the Korean elites on their own turf. I don't think many people would be happy if Liquid transformed into a collective of more or less faceless practice machines, much like FXO did. And in the end the community is all that matters, because without community no viewers, no viewers no ESPORTS etc.
This is quite simply racism, the fact that this community often uses the negative term faceless robots to describe an entire people is probably one of the most sickening things i see on here.
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Well, that's not a great way to end a documentary.
On May 30 2012 02:20 MONXY FIST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 21:24 Harrad wrote:On May 29 2012 21:09 Embir wrote:
Liquid can choose one of two paths: became competitive SC2 team, or remain big family of young guys that like to play SC2. If they want to choose the first path they need to change their rooster quickly. The problem is that is pretty much what defines Team Liquid. A family-like, close-knit small team of friends. It's also what a lot of the more casual (and thus quite numerous) community wants to see: a personable, community-friendly foreigner team that's fighting against the Korean elites on their own turf. I don't think many people would be happy if Liquid transformed into a collective of more or less faceless practice machines, much like FXO did. And in the end the community is all that matters, because without community no viewers, no viewers no ESPORTS etc. This is quite simply racism, the fact that this community often uses the negative term faceless robots to describe an entire people is probably one of the most sickening things i see on here.
Racism? Yeah alright then. I'm sure you see it as sickening - just like many middle class white people do. It isn't racism, we just don't see their personality as much as we see the foreigners personalities, in fact often times the only time we see them is when they play. No need to take things out of context.
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On May 29 2012 23:39 ZeroSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 22:52 MangoMountain wrote:On May 29 2012 22:09 mcc wrote:On May 29 2012 22:05 TheDougler wrote:
Well, not the greatest result to wake up to...
I kind of disagree with sending out Zenio first when you only have two koreans available as that is very likely going to result in putting HUGE pressure on Hero. Still, guess it did get momentum on Liquid's side however briefly.
Really hope liquid can turn it around for the next one, but it gets more difficult from here on out. I think sending Hero against Life right away was not the best idea. I think trying to snipe him with Zergs might have been better and then hope for Hero 3-kill Life has an 80% win rate in zvz... 83 % even....that should be the 2nd best next to NesTea... I think he could even rape DRG, and it wouldnt even look like an upset. Quit talking about Nestea's ZvZ as if its still special. Life would destroy Nestea.
Remember Haypro can play a fairly even series vs Nestea. Look what happened to Haypro today.
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On May 30 2012 02:20 MONXY FIST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 21:24 Harrad wrote:On May 29 2012 21:09 Embir wrote:
Liquid can choose one of two paths: became competitive SC2 team, or remain big family of young guys that like to play SC2. If they want to choose the first path they need to change their rooster quickly. The problem is that is pretty much what defines Team Liquid. A family-like, close-knit small team of friends. It's also what a lot of the more casual (and thus quite numerous) community wants to see: a personable, community-friendly foreigner team that's fighting against the Korean elites on their own turf. I don't think many people would be happy if Liquid transformed into a collective of more or less faceless practice machines, much like FXO did. And in the end the community is all that matters, because without community no viewers, no viewers no ESPORTS etc. This is quite simply racism, the fact that this community often uses the negative term faceless robots to describe an entire people is probably one of the most sickening things i see on here.
Be careful. He never referred to the whole Korean people as such rather the type of player that Korea is so famous for.
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ZENEX isn't stronger than NsHs, but we'll see how Liquid will do against them! 
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On May 29 2012 23:40 Archile wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 23:15 Sphen5117 wrote:
Though it may sound like a cop-out, not having Taeja can be a BIG deal. Sure Hero made it further in GSL this past season, but it was only his first time in, while Taeja has been rocking face in GSL for a looong time. He may not peak the way Hero does, but he's much more consistent. Surely TL will do better next time when they have their full roster.
Other than that, glad to see Zenex getting some achievements. Their players don't really go to any foreigner tournaments, so this is sort of their only stage to impress, and makes me glad Life got some good exposure. Taeja was in the GSL for less time than HerO has been.... That was both of their first code S, and Taeja made it into code S in his first shot, where as it took HerO 3 tries iirc. If you're recalling to the ESV weekly... yes he has been rocking face for a long time.
Taeja was in Code S in both GSL October and November last year, but I agree with your sentiment I suppose, I may have been overstating how long or how often he'd done well in GSL.
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As many have stated, TL really needed Taeja and probably one or more other player. I feel like teams can do a lot of strong sniping preparation against them if they have a small lineup.
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On May 30 2012 02:21 ProxyKnoxy wrote:Well, that's not a great way to end a documentary. Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 02:20 MONXY FIST wrote:On May 29 2012 21:24 Harrad wrote:On May 29 2012 21:09 Embir wrote:
Liquid can choose one of two paths: became competitive SC2 team, or remain big family of young guys that like to play SC2. If they want to choose the first path they need to change their rooster quickly. The problem is that is pretty much what defines Team Liquid. A family-like, close-knit small team of friends. It's also what a lot of the more casual (and thus quite numerous) community wants to see: a personable, community-friendly foreigner team that's fighting against the Korean elites on their own turf. I don't think many people would be happy if Liquid transformed into a collective of more or less faceless practice machines, much like FXO did. And in the end the community is all that matters, because without community no viewers, no viewers no ESPORTS etc. This is quite simply racism, the fact that this community often uses the negative term faceless robots to describe an entire people is probably one of the most sickening things i see on here. Racism? Yeah alright then. I'm sure you see it as sickening - just like many middle class white people do. It isn't racism, we just don't see their personality as much as we see the foreigners personalities, in fact often times the only time we see them is when they play. No need to take things out of context.
Racism may have been to strong of word, but i still think its dumb when people call them faceless because i found that if you followed the Korean scene you would realize that shocker Korean SC2 players have personalities you just need to get to know them. There is a group of people on TL who are hostile to korean players because of this illusion that they are robots. This is a NEGATIVE stereotype that is being applied to a group of players, this cannot be anything but negative.
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