EPT[EG MCSL] Team Liquid vs Evil Geniuses - Page 18
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
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Xyst
Turkey66 Posts
-did you see how idra ragequit? -yeah man, he totally had that game... | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On April 26 2012 11:59 eXistenZ wrote: Lol @ the commercial just after vs Hero game -did you see how idra ragequit? -yeah man, he totally had that game... Some things never change. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 26 2012 11:55 Stress wrote: I'm beginning to wonder if Idra is doing this on purpose. Hero went for a two base all-in that Idra managed to hold with no economic damage taken and he then allowed Hero to macro back up... How does that happen? He's not doing it on purpose. He just doesn't know how to play this match up beyond the initial 10-15 minutes. He knows how to max on roaches and defend two base all-ins but beyond that his timings, compositions, decisions, etc. are all just not there. Having said that, I think IdrA got tilted by being forced to play on the KR server. I don't know why he was forced to play there in both games. | ||
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GodOfWar
870 Posts
On April 26 2012 11:41 GreyKnight wrote: doesnt scout proxy pylons that warp in on high ground in 2 games looking good for EG imo, TaeJa was a crucial win. JYP and PuMa both have great chances to secure the win for EG. | ||
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scaban84
United States1080 Posts
On April 26 2012 11:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Me too. I remember the days when IdrA was really kicking ass, and was truly a force to be reckoned with. It's tough being an IdrA fan when he does such silly things like that. Occasional premature gging is one thing; truly throwing away entire games and really bad decision-making is another. Hopefully he turns it around soon and gets back into his top form. Other players started figuring out the game at a faster pace than him. Hero know exactly what he was doing, even after failing the 2-base timing, he had a transition that capitalized on Idra's mistakes. | ||
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Sikly
United States413 Posts
On April 26 2012 11:57 tsuxiit wrote: IdrA didn't press when he had the advantage because he has no idea what to do in the matchup. He was flailing around with no idea what to do. Just look at his creep spread 18 minutes in. It's not even to his 4th base. He had no plan. I usually try to not hate on players and assume things, but it is obvious that Idra has no sense of the ZvP match-up. I think his early hatred for protoss lead him to never really learning it, and now he's trying to get around a mental block or something. Hate to see any player plagued by problems he's having. Super excited for JYP vs ret, an amazing ZvP vs an amazing PvZ player, and I'm fans of both. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On April 26 2012 12:00 GodOfWar wrote: looking good for EG imo, TaeJa was a crucial win. JYP and PuMa both have great chances to secure the win for EG. Yep I expect EG to take this 3-1, Huk over Taeja was HUGE for their chances here. I'm not bothered by it either, it wouldn't be much of a rivalry if TL always won. | ||
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Kodak
United States157 Posts
Tune back in 5 minutes later to find Idra losing. Seriously, if he'd have tried to push further into the natural or do something, anything at all with his roaches he'd have actually won that game. | ||
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Aegeis
United States1619 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On April 26 2012 11:58 Embir wrote: This game clearly shows flaws in IdrA playstyle. Say what you want but times when Idra was top zerg long gone. Strategies and players evolved, unfortunately IdrA stayed behind... Idra was a top Zerg back in the Open Seasons and over a year ago. While everyone has been getting better, Idra's play this year (nearly 4 months into 2012) has been absolutely atrocious. I do feel bad for the casters for taking all the heat for calling the game wrong. Any other pro zerg would have won that game. | ||
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Stress
United States980 Posts
On April 26 2012 11:57 scaban84 wrote: Idra missed his tech timings. A high level Zerg like DRG or Stephano would have gotten up that Pit or Spire while holding off the 2-base attack. Or at least get it after immediately holding it off. Idra went all the way to Hero's natural, turned around. and only then did he get his Pit. Then he decides to attack stalker/immortal/sentry with no lair tech. Bad play by Cale. True but when he pushed Hero's nat after the all-in failed he only took out the assimilator and nothing else, he could have practically a-moved at that point and won because he had such a bigger army and supply lead. Idra's decision making was just bad imo. | ||
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44510 Posts
On April 26 2012 12:01 Aegeis wrote: Did the sound die? Nope, audio and video still work perfectly. Try refreshing or closing/ reopening browser? | ||
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On April 26 2012 12:01 Stress wrote: True but when he pushed Hero's nat after the all-in failed he only took out the assimilator and nothing else, he could have practically a-moved at that point and won because he had such a bigger army and supply lead. Idra's decision making was just bad imo. Again true. But even then, he MUST transition to Hive tech faster given that he was SO ahead ~50 supply. You can't beat a 200/200 +3 attack deathball with roach/ling/infestor | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
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Sporkbane
United States7 Posts
That HuK upset really put Liquid in a rough spot. Ret fighting! | ||
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hagrin
United States278 Posts
On April 26 2012 11:59 Azarkon wrote: He's not doing it on purpose. He just doesn't know how to play this match up beyond the initial 10-15 minutes We aren't talking about a Millennium Prize Problem here. This isn't P=NP. Not knowing how to play a matchup when there's plenty of replays available of better zergs out there, when the best foreign zerg has stated that Protoss has so few options vs zerg and when he continues to make the same mistakes over and over is no longer a valid excuse. I want him to do well, but watching him make the same mistakes over and over again is utterly painful. Sigh, tt. | ||
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MK4512
Canada938 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
* Fast +1/+1 -> +2/+2 right after holding the aggression * Snipe forge * Snipe gateways * Snipe assimilator * Harass nexus; killing it means the game * Make a lot of roaches and trade them for stalkers and sentries while denying the third * Taking 4th-5th while all of this is going on * Tech to infestors & hive Stephano's brood lord timing is not that early, however - he relies on a lot of infestors, roaches, and zerglings mid-game while putting down spines and a greater spire. But the biggest difference is that he trades his units efficiently while he has the chance to do it and gets faster upgrades, which slows down Protoss and allows him to move into a dozen infestors + brood lord tech which secures the game. Hero's a tough opponent for Stephano, but for IdrA it's just... Not fair. | ||
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