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Rizell
Sweden237 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Are the 4 biggest SC2 tournaments like these? - GSL - MLG - Dreamhack - IEM DRG now won every one of them once. First grand-slammer? Since it is quite hard to be compare tournaments, I think using the prize pool might be the only way to do it quantitatively. Or course, things like strength of field also is important but very hard to quantify. So, I would say the top tournaments are GSL, MLG Championships (not Arena), IPL, Dreamhack Winter, IEM WC, NASL, Blizzcon. | ||
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Mtuhk
Finland129 Posts
This isn't meant as a jab against MLG, just an observation and i'm pretty sure everyone lost with these tournaments overlapping: the players themselves (missing out on prize pools), the spectators (several high profile players attending "the other tournament") and tournament organizers (MLG surely lost subscribers due to DH and DH again lost viewers and ad revenue since some people were rather tuning in to MLG). I know the actual broadcasts didn't overlap too much but still, i can't help but feel some people didn't have the stamina to watch 16+ hours of SC2 on both saturday and sunday. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Since i dident subscribe im unable to see these matches... but im intrested in knowing what builds drg used in the finals.. Anyone would care do give me a quick recap on what build DRG used? i.e roach/bane allin, ling/infestor etc etc? Thanks. DRG used ling/bane bust or roach/bane bust in a lot of his games. I think that is simply due to that fact that MKP was going greedy most of the time with the quick 3rd CC. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On April 23 2012 16:47 Mtuhk wrote: Kinda funny when you think about the effort : reward DRG had to go through, compared to Thorzain who won Dreamhack. Ofc MLG Spring Arena had a lot less players and so inherently a better average chance (1/8) to win it, but even placing 2nd in DH would've paid more than 1st place in MLG and top position in DH paid more than twice that of MLG Spring Arena. This isn't meant as a jab against MLG, just an observation and i'm pretty sure everyone lost with these tournaments overlapping: the players themselves (missing out on prize pools), the spectators (several high profile players attending "the other tournament") and tournament organizers (MLG surely lost subscribers due to DH and DH again lost viewers and ad revenue since some people were rather tuning in to MLG). I know the actual broadcasts didn't overlap too much but still, i can't help but feel some people didn't have the stamina to watch 16+ hours of SC2 on both saturday and sunday. Dont forget though that DRG or his team didn't have to pay his way to MLG Arena and was in this tournament because he finished second at MLG Winter Championship where he won $15,000. And he gets seeded into another arena where there is a $26,000 prize pool and he is seeded in the Spring Championship which has a $76,000 prize pool. This prize in this arena was far beyond the money he won today. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Kinda funny when you think about the effort : reward DRG had to go through, compared to Thorzain who won Dreamhack. Ofc MLG Spring Arena had a lot less players and so inherently a better average chance (1/8) to win it, but even placing 2nd in DH would've paid more than 1st place in MLG and top position in DH paid more than twice that of MLG Spring Arena. Yeah, for the Top 2 finishers that is true. However, DH only paid the top 4 and players had to pay their own expenses. So unless you are sure you will finish top 2 (and I don't think ANY player in the world can be certain they will finish top 2 right now), MLG was actually better for them finanically. Of course, things like sponsors also matter which Naniwa mentioned in his interview. | ||
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Slangen
Sweden1166 Posts
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Mtuhk
Finland129 Posts
On April 23 2012 16:55 jmbthirteen wrote: Dont forget though that DRG or his team didn't have to pay his way to MLG Arena and was in this tournament because he finished second at MLG Winter Championship where he won $15,000. And he gets seeded into another arena where there is a $26,000 prize pool and he is seeded in the Spring Championship which has a $76,000 prize pool. This prize in this arena was far beyond the money he won today. Yeah, i guess it was the smarter business decision to attend MLG arena. The players really had nothing to lose and everything to gain, props to MLG for this arrangement so teams don't have to pay their own ways. I just think e-sports isn't "big enough" at this point in time to have tournaments competing for viewers. Ofc the laws of economics sorts it all out in the end, as a customer i just think there's room for optimization, resulting in better overall products for all of us. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On April 23 2012 16:47 Mtuhk wrote: Kinda funny when you think about the effort : reward DRG had to go through, compared to Thorzain who won Dreamhack. Ofc MLG Spring Arena had a lot less players and so inherently a better average chance (1/8) to win it, but even placing 2nd in DH would've paid more than 1st place in MLG and top position in DH paid more than twice that of MLG Spring Arena. This isn't meant as a jab against MLG, just an observation and i'm pretty sure everyone lost with these tournaments overlapping: the players themselves (missing out on prize pools), the spectators (several high profile players attending "the other tournament") and tournament organizers (MLG surely lost subscribers due to DH and DH again lost viewers and ad revenue since some people were rather tuning in to MLG). I know the actual broadcasts didn't overlap too much but still, i can't help but feel some people didn't have the stamina to watch 16+ hours of SC2 on both saturday and sunday. You couldn't be more wrong. When DH finished MLG was starting their grand final. Which was a bit of a let down fresh after DH. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On April 23 2012 16:55 jmbthirteen wrote: Dont forget though that DRG or his team didn't have to pay his way to MLG Arena and was in this tournament because he finished second at MLG Winter Championship where he won $15,000. And he gets seeded into another arena where there is a $26,000 prize pool and he is seeded in the Spring Championship which has a $76,000 prize pool. This prize in this arena was far beyond the money he won today. Players don't pay with their own money to come to events (the ones in discussion). That's why they have teams. So actually DH winners are reworded better. | ||
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
On April 23 2012 16:47 Mtuhk wrote: Kinda funny when you think about the effort : reward DRG had to go through, compared to Thorzain who won Dreamhack. Ofc MLG Spring Arena had a lot less players and so inherently a better average chance (1/8) to win it, but even placing 2nd in DH would've paid more than 1st place in MLG and top position in DH paid more than twice that of MLG Spring Arena. This isn't meant as a jab against MLG, just an observation and i'm pretty sure everyone lost with these tournaments overlapping: the players themselves (missing out on prize pools), the spectators (several high profile players attending "the other tournament") and tournament organizers (MLG surely lost subscribers due to DH and DH again lost viewers and ad revenue since some people were rather tuning in to MLG). I know the actual broadcasts didn't overlap too much but still, i can't help but feel some people didn't have the stamina to watch 16+ hours of SC2 on both saturday and sunday. Maybe the organizers lost in some way, because it was more comptetitive to reach high viewing numbers on this weekend. Especially with two tournaments running at the same time and the open Diablo 3 beta. But I think most fans were happy that DH was running too, mostly the one's who can't or don't want to pay for viewing an online tournament. DH has shown better production value while not charging the viewers. | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
On April 23 2012 16:47 Mtuhk wrote: Kinda funny when you think about the effort : reward DRG had to go through, compared to Thorzain who won Dreamhack. Ofc MLG Spring Arena had a lot less players and so inherently a better average chance (1/8) to win it, but even placing 2nd in DH would've paid more than 1st place in MLG and top position in DH paid more than twice that of MLG Spring Arena. This isn't meant as a jab against MLG, just an observation and i'm pretty sure everyone lost with these tournaments overlapping: the players themselves (missing out on prize pools), the spectators (several high profile players attending "the other tournament") and tournament organizers (MLG surely lost subscribers due to DH and DH again lost viewers and ad revenue since some people were rather tuning in to MLG). I know the actual broadcasts didn't overlap too much but still, i can't help but feel some people didn't have the stamina to watch 16+ hours of SC2 on both saturday and sunday. We have the first world problem of too much starcraft. It's unfortunate that the spring arena had to be on the same weekend as dreamhack, because the format for spring arena is just so sick. So I hope MLG continues with this sort of stuff in the future. though it doesn't seem like it will be sustainable. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On April 23 2012 17:12 Mtuhk wrote: Yeah, i guess it was the smarter business decision to attend MLG arena. The players really had nothing to lose and everything to gain, props to MLG for this arrangement so teams don't have to pay their own ways. I just think e-sports isn't "big enough" at this point in time to have tournaments competing for viewers. Ofc the laws of economics sorts it all out in the end, as a customer i just think there's room for optimization, resulting in better overall products for all of us. Oh I agree with that. I wish they didn't conflict and its something that needs to be avoided at all costs. But at the same time I don't think it is the worst thing ever. DH had a very solid viewership. Sundance said this 8 man arena was viable. I think both events can be looked at as successes. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On April 23 2012 17:24 ceaRshaf wrote: Players don't pay with their own money to come to events (the ones in discussion). That's why they have teams. So actually DH winners are reworded better. except many korean teams are poor and can't always afford to send their players to foreign events like this. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On April 23 2012 17:26 jmbthirteen wrote: except many korean teams are poor and can't always afford to send their players to foreign events like this. Actually they could... But not so many koreans. | ||
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rebuffering
Canada2436 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17750 Posts
On April 23 2012 17:51 rebuffering wrote: MLG sure is boring when the same 2 people go to the finals 3 tournaments inna row, ridiuclous. I think it's awesome | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On April 23 2012 17:51 rebuffering wrote: MLG sure is boring when the same 2 people go to the finals 3 tournaments inna row, ridiuclous. Ever heard of TaekBangLeeSsang? You realize how many finals those guys had together? good players will end up in the finals most often. That's just fact. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On April 23 2012 17:57 tomatriedes wrote: I'm happy for DRG and I wish I could have watched it live. It must have been so exciting. Damn work. haha I thought you were going to continue on saying "I'mma let you finish, but.." <3 | ||
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