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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
Congrats to DRG either way! | ||
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Tribuno
Italy261 Posts
On April 23 2012 12:21 lorkac wrote: In conclusion--Squirtle is the best player in the world! i didn't get why taeJa is first in the ELO rank.. he didn't win a major event to justificate that.. ot am i loosing something? anyway.. DRG is really solid but right now MKP is probably the best overall.. | ||
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silverstyle
Singapore1108 Posts
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Heouf
Netherlands787 Posts
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On April 23 2012 18:08 sereniity wrote: Cool that DRG finally breaks the curse and beats MKP, I think it's kind of lame though that he went 9-12 in pool play and still advances, why isn't it 4 ppl that advance from pool play, rather than 6? Feels rather silly that MKP goes down from 6-1 in pool play vs some1 that went 3-4... Congrats to DRG either way! yeah, that is pretty fucked up | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
i didn't get why taeJa is first in the ELO rank.. he didn't win a major event to justificate that.. ot am i loosing something? Because ELO takes results from smaller tournaments like the ESV Weeklies as well which Taeja dominated. And it is not weighted. So a win in GSL has same weight as a win in the weeklies. Cool that DRG finally breaks the curse and beats MKP, I think it's kind of lame though that he went 9-12 in pool play and still advances, why isn't it 4 ppl that advance from pool play, rather than 6? Feels rather silly that MKP goes down from 6-1 in pool play vs some1 that went 3-4... Actually, a lot of sports are like this where the #1 team can lose to #8 team in the play-offs eventhough the #1 team had a much better record in the regular season. Since #1 and #2 got a BYE this time, I think the setup was quite good. Even in the GSL, technically you can have someone make it through both ro32 and ro16 with 2-1 (4-4 maps) so 4-2 (8-8 maps) in total play someone 4-0 (8-0 maps). And if the 8-8 person wins 3-2 over the 8-0, he still advances. | ||
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Derrida
2885 Posts
On April 23 2012 18:08 sereniity wrote: Cool that DRG finally breaks the curse and beats MKP, I think it's kind of lame though that he went 9-12 in pool play and still advances, why isn't it 4 ppl that advance from pool play, rather than 6? Feels rather silly that MKP goes down from 6-1 in pool play vs some1 that went 3-4... Congrats to DRG either way! Ever heard of this thing called playoffs, such as in NBA, where #1 seed plays #8 or #16 seed? lol. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On April 23 2012 18:43 vthree wrote: Because ELO takes results from smaller tournaments like the ESV Weeklies as well which Taeja dominated. And it is not weighted. So a win in GSL has same weight as a win in the weeklies. Actually, a lot of sports are like this where the #1 team can lose to #8 team in the play-offs eventhough the #1 team had a much better record in the regular season. Since #1 and #2 got a BYE this time, I think the setup was quite good. Even in the GSL, technically you can have someone make it through both ro32 and ro16 with 2-1 (4-4 maps) so 4-2 (8-8 maps) in total play someone 4-0 (8-0 maps). And if the 8-8 person wins 3-2 over the 8-0, he still advances. I don't understand why TLPD guys decided to include ESV weeklies all of a sudden. If I remember correctly, they made this change the same week Taeja was announced as a Liquid player. The decision seems somewhat biased to boost Taeja's ranking, but it's ok. This is Team Liquid's website, they can do whatever they want. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On April 23 2012 19:43 neoghaleon55 wrote: I don't understand why TLPD guys decided to include ESV weeklies all of a sudden. If I remember correctly, they made this change the same week Taeja was announced as a Liquid player. The decision seems somewhat biased to boost Taeja's ranking, but it's ok. This is Team Liquid's website, they can do whatever they want. Nah, they've included them for a long while now, it's just that that particular ESV weekly that Taeja won just happened to push him to #1 just in time haha. Taeja's actually been #1 before from ESV weeklies (higher ELO than Mvp) Coincidence. | ||
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Krossfire
Australia1071 Posts
On April 23 2012 19:06 Derrida wrote: Ever heard of this thing called playoffs, such as in NBA, where #1 seed plays #8 or #16 seed? lol. lol exactly its like people think just cuz he went 6-1 in group he deserves to win finals...thats the point of championship bracket or the playoffs - the final games always mean more | ||
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Regent
United Kingdom52 Posts
Also, would be great to not have to choose between two major community events. | ||
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thuracine
United States582 Posts
On April 23 2012 19:06 Derrida wrote: Ever heard of this thing called playoffs, such as in NBA, where #1 seed plays #8 or #16 seed? lol. by that logic MKP should have played DRG first in ro6. Why mlg let them choose who to play was odd and something i am not a fan of. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On April 23 2012 18:43 vthree wrote: Because ELO takes results from smaller tournaments like the ESV Weeklies as well which Taeja dominated. And it is not weighted. So a win in GSL has same weight as a win in the weeklies. Actually, a lot of sports are like this where the #1 team can lose to #8 team in the play-offs eventhough the #1 team had a much better record in the regular season. Since #1 and #2 got a BYE this time, I think the setup was quite good. Even in the GSL, technically you can have someone make it through both ro32 and ro16 with 2-1 (4-4 maps) so 4-2 (8-8 maps) in total play someone 4-0 (8-0 maps). And if the 8-8 person wins 3-2 over the 8-0, he still advances. it's different in team sports, you want to see the whole team play, nor can you penalise a team by X points from the get-go - that would be ridiculous, even if it made sense. the most germane rule i can think of in real sports is the away-goals rule, which is not that similar but still gives the advantage to whomever deserved it more. in a 1v1 game it's a lot easier to set up the extended series rule. else, there might be a conflict of interest. let's just SAY parting was MKP's best friend, and MKP was already guaranteed to advance. why didn't he just lose to parting so that he will make the playoffs? you could say it's match fixing, but on the other hand it could just be unprofessionalism coupled with zero reward (see: idra, naniwa) that drives a player to play subpar. and you can't punish a player for playing subpar - you can't prove it was intentional. the obvious solution is to make every game count. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On April 23 2012 17:24 SkyTheUnknown wrote: Maybe the organizers lost in some way, because it was more comptetitive to reach high viewing numbers on this weekend. Especially with two tournaments running at the same time and the open Diablo 3 beta. But I think most fans were happy that DH was running too, mostly the one's who can't or don't want to pay for viewing an online tournament. DH has shown better production value while not charging the viewers. The arena was not an online tournament... It was offline, just without an audience. Also, the production value of MLG (streaming quality, schedule, viewing comfort with the nice layouts you can choose in their player, analysis by pros, pov etc) was a LOT better than Dreamhack's. Of couse DH had nice tourney quality with the amazing crowd, so it all comes down to which you prefer I guess. I'd rather they not collide, which would be in their own interest as well, because I'm pretty sure they cannibalized viewers from each other. | ||
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jobber123rd
United States501 Posts
On April 23 2012 19:06 Derrida wrote: Ever heard of this thing called playoffs, such as in NBA, where #1 seed plays #8 or #16 seed? lol. NBA and NHL do not send 75% of their teams to the playoffs at present, though (it must be noted that they were >75% when both went to 16-team playoffs in the 80's, before the leagues expanded to their current sizes). MKP did get something for his pool performance, however (other than seeding) -- direct qualification for Spring Arena 2 and, more importantly, Anaheim Pools (instead of having to fight in the Ro6 for it) -- so I don't have a problem with the round robin being not so important in determining the result of Spring Arena 1. | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
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Regent
United Kingdom52 Posts
On April 23 2012 22:39 ACrow wrote: The arena was not an online tournament... It was offline, just without an audience. Also, the production value of MLG (streaming quality, schedule, viewing comfort with the nice layouts you can choose in their player, analysis by pros, pov etc) was a LOT better than Dreamhack's. Of couse DH had nice tourney quality with the amazing crowd, so it all comes down to which you prefer I guess. I'd rather they not collide, which would be in their own interest as well, because I'm pretty sure they cannibalized viewers from each other. This!!! - seconded. I'd happily pay for any full-scale tournament that had this level of production and I love the innovations that MLG is making. As it stands, DH had more foreigners, was full scale, had a crowd and was free so there really was no contest. | ||
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thuracine
United States582 Posts
On April 23 2012 22:39 ACrow wrote: The arena was not an online tournament... It was offline, just without an audience. Also, the production value of MLG (streaming quality, schedule, viewing comfort with the nice layouts you can choose in their player, analysis by pros, pov etc) was a LOT better than Dreamhack's. Of couse DH had nice tourney quality with the amazing crowd, so it all comes down to which you prefer I guess. I'd rather they not collide, which would be in their own interest as well, because I'm pretty sure they cannibalized viewers from each other. DreamHack was far better it was done in two days with a lot more players and a bigger prize pool. MLG kind of robbed DH of some of the best players and made you pay to see it. Just think if mlg 8 was at DH how much more awesome it would have been. o ya it was free to view . | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On April 23 2012 20:57 thuracine wrote: by that logic MKP should have played DRG first in ro6. Why mlg let them choose who to play was odd and something i am not a fan of. To give incentive to do well in the group of course. This is not unheard of in real sports either, it's happened in both ice hockey and bandy (one of the bigger sports in sweden). It can also create more of a rivalry feeling between the players/teams. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On April 23 2012 23:43 thuracine wrote: DreamHack was far better it was done in two days with a lot more players and a bigger prize pool. MLG kind of robbed DH of some of the best players and made you pay to see it. Just think if mlg 8 was at DH how much more awesome it would have been. o ya it was free to view . It was hardly MLG's fault that there weren't more better players at dreamhack. There are many more than 7 Koreans and Huk who could have come if they wanted to and be one of the favorites to win. | ||
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