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tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
April 23 2012 03:15 GMT
#1861
On April 23 2012 10:44 Canucklehead wrote:
Just remember guys, MKP was 5-4 over DRG this weekend. Extended series where you at?

Haha MC was 4-3 over DRG too. Where you at?
MC for president
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
April 23 2012 03:21 GMT
#1862
On April 23 2012 10:17 ticklishmusic wrote:
So by ELO...

Best TvT: MMA, Taeja, MVP, aLive
Best TvP: Bomber, Puma, aLive, Supernova
Best TvZ: Jjakji, MMA, Taeja, MVP

Best ZvT: Leenock, DRG, Curious, July
Best ZvP: True, DRG, Nestea, Losira
Best ZvZ: Nestea, DRG, Leenock, Seal

Best PvT: Parting, Younghwa, Puzzle, Hongun
Best PvP: Squirtle, Finale, Oz, GuineaPig
Best PvZ: Squirtle, JYP, Crank, Brown

Squirtle best vP overall
MMA best vT overall
Squirtle best vZ overall

In case anyone was curious. Some of these players are a bit wtf.

Hilariously, MKP is 5th in every matchup. Of course, ELO is more or a "weighted average", so it reflects on his pre-2012 performances as well.


In conclusion--Squirtle is the best player in the world!
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
April 23 2012 03:25 GMT
#1863
Who? Is that Alica's or Puzzles new name or just another protoss hype? MC is and will always be be protoss in world. His bank account proves it. His longevity proves it.
MC for president
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
April 23 2012 03:31 GMT
#1864

MKP
DRG
MMA
MC
Nestea
MVP

*Without recent wins, I'd even argue that the old trifecta of MVP, Nestea, and MC is losing steam*


MC won IEM WC last month...
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 03:42:18
April 23 2012 03:36 GMT
#1865
On April 23 2012 12:15 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 10:44 Canucklehead wrote:
Just remember guys, MKP was 5-4 over DRG this weekend. Extended series where you at?

Haha MC was 4-3 over DRG too. Where you at?


Ya, this tournaments format was lame from a competitive standpoint. Normally you can't have every player play everyone else, so you have to have a structure where they widdle it down until only two remain.... but in this MLG everyone literally played everyone else within the first 2 days and it was clear MKP was the best player.

The third day was just like a separate tournament where DRG proved to be slightly better than MKP.

MKP didn't win, but he left with the most victories....It felt a lot more important than it was. The grand finals was only a difference of $2000 in winnings.... it doesn't make a dent in the SC2earnings.com

Thorzain and Polt both made out better, winning 11k and 6k respectively.
SilentBonjwa
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany119 Posts
April 23 2012 03:39 GMT
#1866
On April 23 2012 12:25 tdt wrote:
Who? Is that Alica's or Puzzles new name or just another protoss hype? MC is and will always be be protoss in world. His bank account proves it. His longevity proves it.


agree that MC is the most dominant Protoss, but dont count out Squirtle, hes really turning heads this year with his solid all around play and will to fight down big players (IPL came all the way through Open bracket to the finals)
"Disliked by some, Loved by a few, Feared by everyone" fnatic.aLive
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
April 23 2012 03:43 GMT
#1867
On April 23 2012 12:36 dsousa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 12:15 tdt wrote:
On April 23 2012 10:44 Canucklehead wrote:
Just remember guys, MKP was 5-4 over DRG this weekend. Extended series where you at?

Haha MC was 4-3 over DRG too. Where you at?


Ya, this tournaments format was lame from a competitive standpoint. Normally you can't have every player play everyone else, so you have to have a structure where they widdle it down until only two remain.... but in this MLG everyone literally played everyone else within the first 2 days and it was clear MKP was the best player.

The third day was just like a separate tournament where DRG proved to be slightly better than MKP.

MKP didn't win, but he left with the most victories....It felt a lot bigger than it was. The grand finals was only a difference of $2000 in winnings.... doesn't make a dent in the SC2earnings.com

Thorzain and Polt both made out better.

Yeah it was silly, Luckily MKP got 2nd though. Would have sucked being best player of day 1&2 and going out early. SC2 kinda bugs me way it goes sometimes so volitile. Like DRG worst player days 1&2 then champ.
MC for president
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 23 2012 03:47 GMT
#1868
On April 23 2012 12:21 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 10:17 ticklishmusic wrote:
So by ELO...

Best TvT: MMA, Taeja, MVP, aLive
Best TvP: Bomber, Puma, aLive, Supernova
Best TvZ: Jjakji, MMA, Taeja, MVP

Best ZvT: Leenock, DRG, Curious, July
Best ZvP: True, DRG, Nestea, Losira
Best ZvZ: Nestea, DRG, Leenock, Seal

Best PvT: Parting, Younghwa, Puzzle, Hongun
Best PvP: Squirtle, Finale, Oz, GuineaPig
Best PvZ: Squirtle, JYP, Crank, Brown

Squirtle best vP overall
MMA best vT overall
Squirtle best vZ overall

In case anyone was curious. Some of these players are a bit wtf.

Hilariously, MKP is 5th in every matchup. Of course, ELO is more or a "weighted average", so it reflects on his pre-2012 performances as well.


In conclusion--Squirtle is the best player in the world!


Hiv vT historically has been pretty bad (its still sub 50%), but his games vs aLive say that he's not too bad at it.

Blastoise Bonjwa inc.
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SilentBonjwa
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany119 Posts
April 23 2012 03:49 GMT
#1869
On April 23 2012 12:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 12:21 lorkac wrote:
On April 23 2012 10:17 ticklishmusic wrote:
So by ELO...

Best TvT: MMA, Taeja, MVP, aLive
Best TvP: Bomber, Puma, aLive, Supernova
Best TvZ: Jjakji, MMA, Taeja, MVP

Best ZvT: Leenock, DRG, Curious, July
Best ZvP: True, DRG, Nestea, Losira
Best ZvZ: Nestea, DRG, Leenock, Seal

Best PvT: Parting, Younghwa, Puzzle, Hongun
Best PvP: Squirtle, Finale, Oz, GuineaPig
Best PvZ: Squirtle, JYP, Crank, Brown

Squirtle best vP overall
MMA best vT overall
Squirtle best vZ overall

In case anyone was curious. Some of these players are a bit wtf.

Hilariously, MKP is 5th in every matchup. Of course, ELO is more or a "weighted average", so it reflects on his pre-2012 performances as well.


In conclusion--Squirtle is the best player in the world!


Hiv vT historically has been pretty bad (its still sub 50%), but his games vs aLive say that he's not too bad at it.

Blastoise Bonjwa inc.


dont forget that he eliminated MKP afterall and some other good Terrans (cant remember em all)
"Disliked by some, Loved by a few, Feared by everyone" fnatic.aLive
esaul17
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada547 Posts
April 23 2012 04:16 GMT
#1870
On April 23 2012 12:49 SilentBonjwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 12:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
On April 23 2012 12:21 lorkac wrote:
On April 23 2012 10:17 ticklishmusic wrote:
So by ELO...

Best TvT: MMA, Taeja, MVP, aLive
Best TvP: Bomber, Puma, aLive, Supernova
Best TvZ: Jjakji, MMA, Taeja, MVP

Best ZvT: Leenock, DRG, Curious, July
Best ZvP: True, DRG, Nestea, Losira
Best ZvZ: Nestea, DRG, Leenock, Seal

Best PvT: Parting, Younghwa, Puzzle, Hongun
Best PvP: Squirtle, Finale, Oz, GuineaPig
Best PvZ: Squirtle, JYP, Crank, Brown

Squirtle best vP overall
MMA best vT overall
Squirtle best vZ overall

In case anyone was curious. Some of these players are a bit wtf.

Hilariously, MKP is 5th in every matchup. Of course, ELO is more or a "weighted average", so it reflects on his pre-2012 performances as well.


In conclusion--Squirtle is the best player in the world!


Hiv vT historically has been pretty bad (its still sub 50%), but his games vs aLive say that he's not too bad at it.

Blastoise Bonjwa inc.


dont forget that he eliminated MKP afterall and some other good Terrans (cant remember em all)


I think MMA was the other big name he took down.
Clutch8
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States258 Posts
April 23 2012 04:19 GMT
#1871
On April 23 2012 04:47 evaunit01 wrote:
That was a beautiful statement by clutch, about sharing this passion with not only our generation but with the future ones as well.

Thanks. I'm grateful for all the things my parents shared with me and I hope to reciprocate that to my future family.
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
April 23 2012 04:20 GMT
#1872
Why does it say it's live right now? I was all excited... way to cockblock my happiness TL.
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
April 23 2012 04:20 GMT
#1873
drg revenge
Clutch8
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States258 Posts
April 23 2012 04:27 GMT
#1874
On April 23 2012 04:15 bnanaPEEL wrote:
So at first, I wasn't too keen on spending money to watch a SC2 tourney when there are so many free ones available at the same time. But, I've watched a few minutes of the free cast and now I'm watching the free Dr. Pepper stream and I gotta say.. MLG is a solid step above everyone else, save GSL but not by much. They're really utilizing the fact that its a weekend long tournament to their advantage, with constant games and good in depth analysis by pros. In fact, I'm definitely going to buy the next "premium pass" for the next one of these just for the pro analyses. The QXC/Josh combo is actually REALLY good, even though they were probably thrown in the pit together last minute. That said, my point is that no matter who's doing it this type of analysis is always going to be awesome as long as you have one affluent pro and another guy with good charisma asking appropriate questions.

Anyways I've been rambling but I feel like this is a big moment in the SC2 tournament scene. Its like watching that new edgy TV show and thinking "this is revolutionary! This will change TV!". Getting down to the nitty griddy of ONE race (note to Day9: doing analysis from both perspectives isn't so hot for basic players) exposes how deep and complex SC2 gameplay at high levels is and will make people appreciate regular games much more. This is what I've been looking for: a cross between GSL and HomeStory Cup, and MLG has delivered.

Thanks! qxc was a lot of fun and will tell you Terran always win....always....
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 23 2012 04:28 GMT
#1875
On April 23 2012 12:21 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 10:17 ticklishmusic wrote:
So by ELO...

Best TvT: MMA, Taeja, MVP, aLive
Best TvP: Bomber, Puma, aLive, Supernova
Best TvZ: Jjakji, MMA, Taeja, MVP

Best ZvT: Leenock, DRG, Curious, July
Best ZvP: True, DRG, Nestea, Losira
Best ZvZ: Nestea, DRG, Leenock, Seal

Best PvT: Parting, Younghwa, Puzzle, Hongun
Best PvP: Squirtle, Finale, Oz, GuineaPig
Best PvZ: Squirtle, JYP, Crank, Brown

Squirtle best vP overall
MMA best vT overall
Squirtle best vZ overall

In case anyone was curious. Some of these players are a bit wtf.

Hilariously, MKP is 5th in every matchup. Of course, ELO is more or a "weighted average", so it reflects on his pre-2012 performances as well.


In conclusion--Squirtle is the best player in the world!


Even though ELO means nothing, I can indeed confirm that this is true. Squirtle is too beastly at this game right now.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Mtuhk
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland129 Posts
April 23 2012 04:37 GMT
#1876
On April 23 2012 13:28 Hall0wed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 12:21 lorkac wrote:
On April 23 2012 10:17 ticklishmusic wrote:
So by ELO...

Best TvT: MMA, Taeja, MVP, aLive
Best TvP: Bomber, Puma, aLive, Supernova
Best TvZ: Jjakji, MMA, Taeja, MVP

Best ZvT: Leenock, DRG, Curious, July
Best ZvP: True, DRG, Nestea, Losira
Best ZvZ: Nestea, DRG, Leenock, Seal

Best PvT: Parting, Younghwa, Puzzle, Hongun
Best PvP: Squirtle, Finale, Oz, GuineaPig
Best PvZ: Squirtle, JYP, Crank, Brown

Squirtle best vP overall
MMA best vT overall
Squirtle best vZ overall

In case anyone was curious. Some of these players are a bit wtf.

Hilariously, MKP is 5th in every matchup. Of course, ELO is more or a "weighted average", so it reflects on his pre-2012 performances as well.


In conclusion--Squirtle is the best player in the world!


Even though ELO means nothing, I can indeed confirm that this is true. Squirtle is too beastly at this game right now.


Elo rating is the only objective way to compare relative skill level between players. Well, maybe not the only, but the best we have right now. It has it's pitfalls such as the ability to "protect" ones' rating, but pro-players can't really do that and train/compete rigorously at the same time.
SilentBonjwa
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany119 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 04:47:21
April 23 2012 04:46 GMT
#1877
On April 23 2012 13:28 Hall0wed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 12:21 lorkac wrote:
On April 23 2012 10:17 ticklishmusic wrote:
So by ELO...

Best TvT: MMA, Taeja, MVP, aLive
Best TvP: Bomber, Puma, aLive, Supernova
Best TvZ: Jjakji, MMA, Taeja, MVP

Best ZvT: Leenock, DRG, Curious, July
Best ZvP: True, DRG, Nestea, Losira
Best ZvZ: Nestea, DRG, Leenock, Seal

Best PvT: Parting, Younghwa, Puzzle, Hongun
Best PvP: Squirtle, Finale, Oz, GuineaPig
Best PvZ: Squirtle, JYP, Crank, Brown

Squirtle best vP overall
MMA best vT overall
Squirtle best vZ overall

In case anyone was curious. Some of these players are a bit wtf.

Hilariously, MKP is 5th in every matchup. Of course, ELO is more or a "weighted average", so it reflects on his pre-2012 performances as well.


In conclusion--Squirtle is the best player in the world!


Even though ELO means nothing, I can indeed confirm that this is true. Squirtle is too beastly at this game right now.



+ Show Spoiler +
Those guys do agree.]
"Disliked by some, Loved by a few, Feared by everyone" fnatic.aLive
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
April 23 2012 05:01 GMT
#1878
DongRaeGu played so much better on day3 than day2.
I think jetlag and stress really plays a factor in his performance.
I am so happy he pulled through.
moo...for DRG
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 05:20:14
April 23 2012 05:14 GMT
#1879
On April 23 2012 12:43 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 12:36 dsousa wrote:
On April 23 2012 12:15 tdt wrote:
On April 23 2012 10:44 Canucklehead wrote:
Just remember guys, MKP was 5-4 over DRG this weekend. Extended series where you at?

Haha MC was 4-3 over DRG too. Where you at?


Ya, this tournaments format was lame from a competitive standpoint. Normally you can't have every player play everyone else, so you have to have a structure where they widdle it down until only two remain.... but in this MLG everyone literally played everyone else within the first 2 days and it was clear MKP was the best player.

The third day was just like a separate tournament where DRG proved to be slightly better than MKP.

MKP didn't win, but he left with the most victories....It felt a lot bigger than it was. The grand finals was only a difference of $2000 in winnings.... doesn't make a dent in the SC2earnings.com

Thorzain and Polt both made out better.

Yeah it was silly, Luckily MKP got 2nd though. Would have sucked being best player of day 1&2 and going out early. SC2 kinda bugs me way it goes sometimes so volitile. Like DRG worst player days 1&2 then champ.


MKP has shown since GSL 2 that he's always a threat to win the whole thing... any day, any time any place. This MLG did nothing in my mind prevent him from being the favorite in every tournament he enters in 2012.

DRG can beat him 4 out of 7, but MKP showed he can beat everyone and if you think about it, he's been showing us that since called himself Boxer. The fact that he's been around as long as he has, and he's at his peak now, is scary for everyone else. I promise you that.

He is, and remains, the man!



Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
April 23 2012 05:23 GMT
#1880
On April 23 2012 13:37 Mtuhk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 13:28 Hall0wed wrote:
On April 23 2012 12:21 lorkac wrote:
On April 23 2012 10:17 ticklishmusic wrote:
So by ELO...

Best TvT: MMA, Taeja, MVP, aLive
Best TvP: Bomber, Puma, aLive, Supernova
Best TvZ: Jjakji, MMA, Taeja, MVP

Best ZvT: Leenock, DRG, Curious, July
Best ZvP: True, DRG, Nestea, Losira
Best ZvZ: Nestea, DRG, Leenock, Seal

Best PvT: Parting, Younghwa, Puzzle, Hongun
Best PvP: Squirtle, Finale, Oz, GuineaPig
Best PvZ: Squirtle, JYP, Crank, Brown

Squirtle best vP overall
MMA best vT overall
Squirtle best vZ overall

In case anyone was curious. Some of these players are a bit wtf.

Hilariously, MKP is 5th in every matchup. Of course, ELO is more or a "weighted average", so it reflects on his pre-2012 performances as well.


In conclusion--Squirtle is the best player in the world!


Even though ELO means nothing, I can indeed confirm that this is true. Squirtle is too beastly at this game right now.


Elo rating is the only objective way to compare relative skill level between players. Well, maybe not the only, but the best we have right now. It has it's pitfalls such as the ability to "protect" ones' rating, but pro-players can't really do that and train/compete rigorously at the same time.

It's definitely not the best objective way if it takes into account games from more than half a year ago. Consider how fast SC2 meta games are changing, and how volatile and inconsistent most players are, those games literally mean zip.
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