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In my opinion Naniwa did not deserve the seed until his latest results. In other words: GOM got fuckin lucky that they picked the right guy and should avoid stuff like these seeds into Code S in the future. I am okay with Code A seeds though.
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On April 18 2012 22:09 RageCommodore wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 22:08 bittman wrote:
No Tasteless! MVP will make it out!
But yes, I do hope one of the Julys gets out of the group. I lol'd :D And I also agree, we need at least one Zerg in the Ro8.
Glad I caused a chuckle =)
But yeah, the super issue is this at the end of the day:
July - ZvP 2nd worst MU, ZvZ worst MU
Leenock - ZVP worst MU, other two MUs incredible
Hero - PvZ best MU, PvT worst MU
MVP - He's MVP
MVP > July
Hero > Leenock
MVP > Hero
Leenock > July
Hero > Leenock
^ This is the safe bet for the group. There is a potential for July to upset MVP which will throw everyone's predictions out of whack. Leenock has also stated in interviews that his ZvP is great in practice but never translates to good ZvP in live games, and he did beat Hero in their GSTL Bo1. So there's the potential in both forms for a Leenock vs MVP which means the group could get crazy.
However, MVP and Hero should advance.
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On April 18 2012 22:13 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 22:10 coloursheep wrote:On April 18 2012 21:58 Misoza wrote:On April 18 2012 21:56 Heouf wrote:
Well Naniwa is so lucky with his free code S spot. He couldnt even get through code A a couple of times. And even now it maybe be even difficult. I really hope he doesnt win GSL. Cause he doesnt deserve it because of the invite. You should fight your way into code S. The same for all those guys who got in through MLG. They were very lucky. The easiest way to get back.
Wel gl in round of 8. Hope you win. Cause my predications never come true. stfu. Real constructive comment to a genuine problem with giving Seeds into GSL, especially for players like Naniwa and Huk that have never qualified. Because of this, compared to MC, MMA or DRG who received seeds after they had already qualified in previous seasons, there will always be the taint of illegitimacy to their results and the feeling that they were unearned. Any argument that performing well proves that they were earned seeds goes against logic, if they were good enough in the first place then they would not need seeds to qualify. I too hope that Naniwa does not win this GSL because if a foreigner is going to win it should not be because of GOM's charity but because they qualified, worked their way up through Code A and then finally won. Take oGsTheStc as an example, if he wins this GSL it will mean so much more because he fought his way through all the stages of GSL finally to make it to Code S and win, his excitement at making it through the up and downs clearly shows how much more meaningful results are when you know that you achieved them yourself. Are you serious? Winning Code S is much tougher, and a much greater achievement than qualifying for it. If Naniwa wins GSL Code S, by far the hardest and most prestigious tournament in the world you think it will be illegitimate? That's hilarious.
Winning GSL is only an achievement because of how hard it is to qualify and work your way through Code A to even give yourself a shot at winning Code S. By allowing players, particularly players that have not previously gone through the qualifiers, to skip most of that process not only weakens the prestige of the tournament but also the results of the seeded players. Naniwa has won four games and is in the round of 8, compare that to the players that go through the qualifiers and Code A. They have to play and win a lot more matches and it is these achievements that make winning a GSL so special. Maybe you would feel fine about winning a title that way and maybe Naniwa would too but if he did then dropped off the map in GSL forever do you think anyone, even Naniwa himself, would not think that his win was based upon him being fortunate enough to receive a seed allowing him into Code S?
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I don't agree with the seeds at all really, but saying Naniwa doesn't deserve to win because of it, or that the results are somehow illegitimate is just dumb.
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On April 18 2012 22:30 sc2guy wrote:
Its better to get 4th place than 3rd place in this group...
pour quoi?
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On April 18 2012 22:31 coloursheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 22:13 Exarl25 wrote:On April 18 2012 22:10 coloursheep wrote:On April 18 2012 21:58 Misoza wrote:On April 18 2012 21:56 Heouf wrote:
Well Naniwa is so lucky with his free code S spot. He couldnt even get through code A a couple of times. And even now it maybe be even difficult. I really hope he doesnt win GSL. Cause he doesnt deserve it because of the invite. You should fight your way into code S. The same for all those guys who got in through MLG. They were very lucky. The easiest way to get back.
Wel gl in round of 8. Hope you win. Cause my predications never come true. stfu. Real constructive comment to a genuine problem with giving Seeds into GSL, especially for players like Naniwa and Huk that have never qualified. Because of this, compared to MC, MMA or DRG who received seeds after they had already qualified in previous seasons, there will always be the taint of illegitimacy to their results and the feeling that they were unearned. Any argument that performing well proves that they were earned seeds goes against logic, if they were good enough in the first place then they would not need seeds to qualify. I too hope that Naniwa does not win this GSL because if a foreigner is going to win it should not be because of GOM's charity but because they qualified, worked their way up through Code A and then finally won. Take oGsTheStc as an example, if he wins this GSL it will mean so much more because he fought his way through all the stages of GSL finally to make it to Code S and win, his excitement at making it through the up and downs clearly shows how much more meaningful results are when you know that you achieved them yourself. Are you serious? Winning Code S is much tougher, and a much greater achievement than qualifying for it. If Naniwa wins GSL Code S, by far the hardest and most prestigious tournament in the world you think it will be illegitimate? That's hilarious. Winning GSL is only an achievement because of how hard it is to qualify and work your way through Code A to even give yourself a shot at winning Code S. By allowing players, particularly players that have not previously gone through the qualifiers, to skip most of that process not only weakens the prestige of the tournament but also the results of the seeded players. Naniwa has won four games and is in the round of 8, compare that to the players that go through the qualifiers and Code A. They have to play and win a lot more matches and it is these achievements that make winning a GSL so special. Maybe you would feel fine about winning a title that way and maybe Naniwa would too but if he did then dropped off the map in GSL forever do you think anyone, even Naniwa himself, would not think that his win was based upon him being fortunate enough to receive a seed allowing him into Code S?
No, it's an achievement because you have to beat some of the very best players in the world to win it. I don't see how getting through qualifiers/code A is a bigger part of why it's an achievement than beating the players in Code S
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On April 18 2012 22:33 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 22:30 sc2guy wrote:
Its better to get 4th place than 3rd place in this group... pour quoi?
4th will play the winner of something like heart vs bboongbboong in code a 24.
3rd plays the winner of Ace vs DRG (i.e. DRG xD)(
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On April 18 2012 22:31 coloursheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 22:13 Exarl25 wrote:On April 18 2012 22:10 coloursheep wrote:On April 18 2012 21:58 Misoza wrote:On April 18 2012 21:56 Heouf wrote:
Well Naniwa is so lucky with his free code S spot. He couldnt even get through code A a couple of times. And even now it maybe be even difficult. I really hope he doesnt win GSL. Cause he doesnt deserve it because of the invite. You should fight your way into code S. The same for all those guys who got in through MLG. They were very lucky. The easiest way to get back.
Wel gl in round of 8. Hope you win. Cause my predications never come true. stfu. Real constructive comment to a genuine problem with giving Seeds into GSL, especially for players like Naniwa and Huk that have never qualified. Because of this, compared to MC, MMA or DRG who received seeds after they had already qualified in previous seasons, there will always be the taint of illegitimacy to their results and the feeling that they were unearned. Any argument that performing well proves that they were earned seeds goes against logic, if they were good enough in the first place then they would not need seeds to qualify. I too hope that Naniwa does not win this GSL because if a foreigner is going to win it should not be because of GOM's charity but because they qualified, worked their way up through Code A and then finally won. Take oGsTheStc as an example, if he wins this GSL it will mean so much more because he fought his way through all the stages of GSL finally to make it to Code S and win, his excitement at making it through the up and downs clearly shows how much more meaningful results are when you know that you achieved them yourself. Are you serious? Winning Code S is much tougher, and a much greater achievement than qualifying for it. If Naniwa wins GSL Code S, by far the hardest and most prestigious tournament in the world you think it will be illegitimate? That's hilarious. Winning GSL is only an achievement because of how hard it is to qualify and work your way through Code A to even give yourself a shot at winning Code S. By allowing players, particularly players that have not previously gone through the qualifiers, to skip most of that process not only weakens the prestige of the tournament but also the results of the seeded players. Naniwa has won four games and is in the round of 8, compare that to the players that go through the qualifiers and Code A. They have to play and win a lot more matches and it is these achievements that make winning a GSL so special. Maybe you would feel fine about winning a title that way and maybe Naniwa would too but if he did then dropped off the map in GSL forever do you think anyone, even Naniwa himself, would not think that his win was based upon him being fortunate enough to receive a seed allowing him into Code S?
Lol, his wins was based upon crushing korean nerds. NesTea fanbois still buttfrustrated
Oh, and he earned the seed in Providence. Gom may say what they want but this Code S was due.
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On April 18 2012 22:34 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 22:31 coloursheep wrote:On April 18 2012 22:13 Exarl25 wrote:On April 18 2012 22:10 coloursheep wrote:On April 18 2012 21:58 Misoza wrote:On April 18 2012 21:56 Heouf wrote:
Well Naniwa is so lucky with his free code S spot. He couldnt even get through code A a couple of times. And even now it maybe be even difficult. I really hope he doesnt win GSL. Cause he doesnt deserve it because of the invite. You should fight your way into code S. The same for all those guys who got in through MLG. They were very lucky. The easiest way to get back.
Wel gl in round of 8. Hope you win. Cause my predications never come true. stfu. Real constructive comment to a genuine problem with giving Seeds into GSL, especially for players like Naniwa and Huk that have never qualified. Because of this, compared to MC, MMA or DRG who received seeds after they had already qualified in previous seasons, there will always be the taint of illegitimacy to their results and the feeling that they were unearned. Any argument that performing well proves that they were earned seeds goes against logic, if they were good enough in the first place then they would not need seeds to qualify. I too hope that Naniwa does not win this GSL because if a foreigner is going to win it should not be because of GOM's charity but because they qualified, worked their way up through Code A and then finally won. Take oGsTheStc as an example, if he wins this GSL it will mean so much more because he fought his way through all the stages of GSL finally to make it to Code S and win, his excitement at making it through the up and downs clearly shows how much more meaningful results are when you know that you achieved them yourself. Are you serious? Winning Code S is much tougher, and a much greater achievement than qualifying for it. If Naniwa wins GSL Code S, by far the hardest and most prestigious tournament in the world you think it will be illegitimate? That's hilarious. Winning GSL is only an achievement because of how hard it is to qualify and work your way through Code A to even give yourself a shot at winning Code S. By allowing players, particularly players that have not previously gone through the qualifiers, to skip most of that process not only weakens the prestige of the tournament but also the results of the seeded players. Naniwa has won four games and is in the round of 8, compare that to the players that go through the qualifiers and Code A. They have to play and win a lot more matches and it is these achievements that make winning a GSL so special. Maybe you would feel fine about winning a title that way and maybe Naniwa would too but if he did then dropped off the map in GSL forever do you think anyone, even Naniwa himself, would not think that his win was based upon him being fortunate enough to receive a seed allowing him into Code S? Lol, his wins was based upon crushing korean nerds. NesTea fanbois still buttfrustrated
Not a NesTea fan, he is a good player and I can appreciate that but I play protoss so with a few exceptions those are generally the players that I support, and if it was MC instead of Naniwa in the exact same position I would be saying the same thing. It has nothing to do with the player, though full disclosure I am not a fan of Naniwa because of his attitude and lack of professionalism, but with the flaw in GOM's seeding system and how it weakens their tournament. The argument would also be the same if a Korean player who had not qualified for GSL previously received a seed, this just has yet to happen.
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On April 18 2012 22:34 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 22:33 ref4 wrote:On April 18 2012 22:30 sc2guy wrote:
Its better to get 4th place than 3rd place in this group... pour quoi? 4th will play the winner of something like heart vs bboongbboong in code a 24. 3rd plays the winner of Ace vs DRG (i.e. DRG xD)(
oh so Virus will most likely play against DRG Code A ro24
and Genius will most likely play against Heart Code A ro24?
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Go Naniva! Makes us proud!
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Great job naniwa! Happy to se him advance, no go on to the finals!
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On April 18 2012 22:34 Shaddar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 22:31 coloursheep wrote:On April 18 2012 22:13 Exarl25 wrote:On April 18 2012 22:10 coloursheep wrote:On April 18 2012 21:58 Misoza wrote:On April 18 2012 21:56 Heouf wrote:
Well Naniwa is so lucky with his free code S spot. He couldnt even get through code A a couple of times. And even now it maybe be even difficult. I really hope he doesnt win GSL. Cause he doesnt deserve it because of the invite. You should fight your way into code S. The same for all those guys who got in through MLG. They were very lucky. The easiest way to get back.
Wel gl in round of 8. Hope you win. Cause my predications never come true. stfu. Real constructive comment to a genuine problem with giving Seeds into GSL, especially for players like Naniwa and Huk that have never qualified. Because of this, compared to MC, MMA or DRG who received seeds after they had already qualified in previous seasons, there will always be the taint of illegitimacy to their results and the feeling that they were unearned. Any argument that performing well proves that they were earned seeds goes against logic, if they were good enough in the first place then they would not need seeds to qualify. I too hope that Naniwa does not win this GSL because if a foreigner is going to win it should not be because of GOM's charity but because they qualified, worked their way up through Code A and then finally won. Take oGsTheStc as an example, if he wins this GSL it will mean so much more because he fought his way through all the stages of GSL finally to make it to Code S and win, his excitement at making it through the up and downs clearly shows how much more meaningful results are when you know that you achieved them yourself. Are you serious? Winning Code S is much tougher, and a much greater achievement than qualifying for it. If Naniwa wins GSL Code S, by far the hardest and most prestigious tournament in the world you think it will be illegitimate? That's hilarious. Winning GSL is only an achievement because of how hard it is to qualify and work your way through Code A to even give yourself a shot at winning Code S. By allowing players, particularly players that have not previously gone through the qualifiers, to skip most of that process not only weakens the prestige of the tournament but also the results of the seeded players. Naniwa has won four games and is in the round of 8, compare that to the players that go through the qualifiers and Code A. They have to play and win a lot more matches and it is these achievements that make winning a GSL so special. Maybe you would feel fine about winning a title that way and maybe Naniwa would too but if he did then dropped off the map in GSL forever do you think anyone, even Naniwa himself, would not think that his win was based upon him being fortunate enough to receive a seed allowing him into Code S? No, it's an achievement because you have to beat some of the very best players in the world to win it. I don't see how getting through qualifiers/code A is a bigger part of why it's an achievement than beating the players in Code S
It is still an achievement, don't get me wrong, just much less of one because most of the journey has been skipped. If you look at it like a book, what makes you feel happy when a hero succeeds is the fact that you know all the struggles that he faced along the way. These struggles make their final success meaningful, if they had simply completed the task with nothing standing in their way then their success would be hollow or at least much less impressive and meaningful.
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Look at all those Naniwa haters. Nani said himself that he didn't deserve the seed, but he would be stupid not to take it and he'd try to make the best of the opportunity. Now that he has gone 8-1 and moved into the Ro8, it's plain wrong to say that he has no business being in Code S. He got offered a shortcut, yes, but he proved himself worthy.
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On April 18 2012 22:47 coloursheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 22:34 Shaddar wrote:On April 18 2012 22:31 coloursheep wrote:On April 18 2012 22:13 Exarl25 wrote:On April 18 2012 22:10 coloursheep wrote:On April 18 2012 21:58 Misoza wrote:On April 18 2012 21:56 Heouf wrote:
Well Naniwa is so lucky with his free code S spot. He couldnt even get through code A a couple of times. And even now it maybe be even difficult. I really hope he doesnt win GSL. Cause he doesnt deserve it because of the invite. You should fight your way into code S. The same for all those guys who got in through MLG. They were very lucky. The easiest way to get back.
Wel gl in round of 8. Hope you win. Cause my predications never come true. stfu. Real constructive comment to a genuine problem with giving Seeds into GSL, especially for players like Naniwa and Huk that have never qualified. Because of this, compared to MC, MMA or DRG who received seeds after they had already qualified in previous seasons, there will always be the taint of illegitimacy to their results and the feeling that they were unearned. Any argument that performing well proves that they were earned seeds goes against logic, if they were good enough in the first place then they would not need seeds to qualify. I too hope that Naniwa does not win this GSL because if a foreigner is going to win it should not be because of GOM's charity but because they qualified, worked their way up through Code A and then finally won. Take oGsTheStc as an example, if he wins this GSL it will mean so much more because he fought his way through all the stages of GSL finally to make it to Code S and win, his excitement at making it through the up and downs clearly shows how much more meaningful results are when you know that you achieved them yourself. Are you serious? Winning Code S is much tougher, and a much greater achievement than qualifying for it. If Naniwa wins GSL Code S, by far the hardest and most prestigious tournament in the world you think it will be illegitimate? That's hilarious. Winning GSL is only an achievement because of how hard it is to qualify and work your way through Code A to even give yourself a shot at winning Code S. By allowing players, particularly players that have not previously gone through the qualifiers, to skip most of that process not only weakens the prestige of the tournament but also the results of the seeded players. Naniwa has won four games and is in the round of 8, compare that to the players that go through the qualifiers and Code A. They have to play and win a lot more matches and it is these achievements that make winning a GSL so special. Maybe you would feel fine about winning a title that way and maybe Naniwa would too but if he did then dropped off the map in GSL forever do you think anyone, even Naniwa himself, would not think that his win was based upon him being fortunate enough to receive a seed allowing him into Code S? No, it's an achievement because you have to beat some of the very best players in the world to win it. I don't see how getting through qualifiers/code A is a bigger part of why it's an achievement than beating the players in Code S It is still an achievement, don't get me wrong, just much less of one because most of the journey has been skipped. If you look at it like a book, what makes you feel happy when a hero succeeds is the fact that you know all the struggles that he faced along the way. These struggles make their final success meaningful, if they had simply completed the task with nothing standing in their way then their success would be hollow or at least much less impressive and meaningful.
Yes, yes whatever he does he can never amount to anything because there is always some way to fault the way he does it. I get it.
Saying it would be "Much less" of an achievement for NaNiwa to win Code S because he did not go through Code A is ridiculous. Being able to beat the best is what is impressive not beating the second best. "Simply" winning Code S is hollow because you did not qualify through Code A? Come on, you must realize how stupid this sounds.
This is all hypotheticals anyway, but geez.
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I think it is obligatory to hail to............THE KING IN THE NORTH!
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While qualifying and working through Code A is no small feat, and imoho a much more daunting task than making it into the upper rounds of the MLG championship bracket, Naniwa has done the latter several times and convincingly beat some really big names (MVP, Nestea, MC to name a few) while doing so. So yeah, in my eyes the seed was not undeserved and I think that having some exchange between the Korean and the international scene is healthy. That being said, a ticket straight to Code S might be a bit too much, no matter who it is or what they did to get it.
Whether Nani's previous trouble in Code A was due to nerves, inconsistant performance or whatever is hard to say but now I'd like to think he's proven that he belongs as much in Code S as anyone else.
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YES NANI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On April 18 2012 22:30 Aunvilgod wrote:
In my opinion Naniwa did not deserve the seed until his latest results. In other words: GOM got fuckin lucky that they picked the right guy and should avoid stuff like these seeds into Code S in the future. I am okay with Code A seeds though.
U mean like when Idra got invited for no good reason except that he was popular? That was BAD, at least Nani has some results, all Idra has to show for his career is he has a lot of people watching his stream.
Best news I've read today :D, just woke up and wow what a great surprise. I'll be honest didnt think he'll make it so i didnt bother waking up for it lol but Wooo Grats Nani  . I think you already did us proud with these results, good luck in the next round.
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