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Kazang
Profile Joined August 2010
578 Posts
March 10 2012 12:35 GMT
#1061
On March 10 2012 21:32 Salteador Neo wrote:
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On March 10 2012 21:29 luis_fps wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:29 Salteador Neo wrote:
Lol terran wtf? Marines good unit?


2000 posts and you still post shit


C'mon that engagement was stupid. Full army against nothing plus 5 vikings and the toss army got melted like butter.

Even the commentators said that was "strange", because it made no sense


Stupid from MC. His stalkers were attacking a missle turret, collosus hitting one unit per shot, zealots running up against FF, 6 vikings take out 4 collosus on their own.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
March 10 2012 12:35 GMT
#1062
I think Puma is just playing to MC's style.

He gets virtually no ugprades, and heavy marines. Mid game timings just don't work because toss doesn't have the DPS to deal with such a force when they are in a defensive position. If he had gone Rine/Rauder with double engi then Puma would have got ripped.

I just hope MC realizes before the final match
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
March 10 2012 12:35 GMT
#1063
On March 10 2012 21:34 SeaSwift wrote:
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On March 10 2012 21:34 Angelbelow wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:30 SeaSwift wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:29 Lann555 wrote:
MC still hasn't learned a damn thing. Just 2-base, make units, attack and hope the micro wins it out


Yup, he didn't make a 3rd Nexus in any of those games did he 0_0


He had a 3rd nexus in game 1 and game 3. But the big difference between the two games is that he didn't seem like he wanted to utilize his 3rd in game 3 at all.


it was sarcasm.


Noted, mentioned it in my post. My post was directed at the guy you were being sarcastic too then lol.
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Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
March 10 2012 12:35 GMT
#1064
Actually, That was shakuras, and 1-1-1 is really good on that map yet PuMa did not go back to his roots? Whoaaaaa.
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
March 10 2012 12:35 GMT
#1065
On March 10 2012 21:32 Salteador Neo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 21:29 luis_fps wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:29 Salteador Neo wrote:
Lol terran wtf? Marines good unit?


2000 posts and you still post shit


C'mon that engagement was stupid. Full army against nothing plus 5 vikings and the toss army got melted like butter.

Even the commentators said that was "strange", because it made no sense


I play Protoss and I can tell you it made a lot of sense.

Zealots suck at low space areas like natural expansions and ramps since they can't get their full dmg in.
Stalkers really don't do much in PvT except for killing vikings.
Because all ur zealots are noobing around MC's colossi were exposed and easily killed by vikings/marauders on top of the ramp.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
March 10 2012 12:35 GMT
#1066
come on mc

as an aside i am not entirely sure why the op has results spoilered, only to not bother to post results and just link to liquipedia. come on now.
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narkissos
Profile Joined December 2011
198 Posts
March 10 2012 12:35 GMT
#1067
On March 10 2012 21:32 Salteador Neo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 21:29 luis_fps wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:29 Salteador Neo wrote:
Lol terran wtf? Marines good unit?


2000 posts and you still post shit


C'mon that engagement was stupid. Full army against nothing plus 5 vikings and the toss army got melted like butter.

Even the commentators said that was "strange", because it made no sense


How do you think a puma attack up MC´s ramp would have gone?
JayJay_90
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1632 Posts
March 10 2012 12:36 GMT
#1068
On March 10 2012 21:34 Spiner wrote:
My protoss practice partner would have played better in that situation. He just turtles and adds cannons in the main and maxes out. Hard to beat a protoss that just turtles.

I bet you and your practise partner are both at least Code A material right?
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
March 10 2012 12:36 GMT
#1069
On March 10 2012 21:34 Lann555 wrote:
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On March 10 2012 21:33 Doublemint wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:30 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Why is MC always trying to end the game prematurely when he is in an obviously advantageous position?


He is in a shitty position either way. Go back and lose a ton in his, then when he´s back T gets in medivacs and trollololols his way home. Go for it and hope for the best. Puma just played smarter, in that he forced his game on MC, and won the game on his terms.


Why did he even leave his base? Puma has shown time and time again that he loves big drops and is willing to gamble with that style. Shakuras is not a bad map for Protoss to grab 3 bases and go for 200/200 with HT/Collosus/Archon.


True dat - should watch the replay - but it seemed Puma baited him into that situation - not sure.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
March 10 2012 12:36 GMT
#1070
Come on PuMa...do it for Terran :D
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
March 10 2012 12:36 GMT
#1071
On March 10 2012 21:33 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 21:31 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:29 Lann555 wrote:
MC still hasn't learned a damn thing. Just 2-base, make units, attack and hope the micro wins it out


Yeah he's always seemed extremely weak once the game gets past those two bases. He just crumbles apart in the hands of good terrans. Maybe it's just me tho.


It's so weird, because lategame PvT is so good right now that just defending and getting to 200/200 is so hard to stop for Terran.


TvP late game is harder than PvT late game, but its perfectly easy for a T to beat P late game if they play it right
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Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
March 10 2012 12:36 GMT
#1072
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zocktol
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1928 Posts
March 10 2012 12:36 GMT
#1073
Wondering why MC is not going for an all out 2 base all-in, like a 8 Gate for example.

The way he is playing is a bit too predictable, basically the same build in Game 2 and Game 3. Hopefully he will switch it up a bit.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
March 10 2012 12:37 GMT
#1074
On March 10 2012 21:32 Makavw wrote:
Wow, this must be some of the worst finals ever :/


not players problem, sc2 ist the problem. too many bad games in sc2.
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Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
March 10 2012 12:37 GMT
#1075
On March 10 2012 21:33 ChaosTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 21:32 Salteador Neo wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:29 luis_fps wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:29 Salteador Neo wrote:
Lol terran wtf? Marines good unit?


2000 posts and you still post shit


C'mon that engagement was stupid. Full army against nothing plus 5 vikings and the toss army got melted like butter.

Even the commentators said that was "strange", because it made no sense


He attacked up a ramp, ran zealots into barracks/forcefields and lost his collossi because he had no stalkers to kill the vikings, there was nothing strange about this engagement, just the protoss messing up.

Stop posting shit.


My post wasnt very wise I agree, because I got mindfuck'd by that engagement that I thought was EZ for MC.

Clearly I was wrong and telling why helps instead of the "stop posting shit" part, which I don't care about at all.
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ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
March 10 2012 12:37 GMT
#1076
MC needs to play more defensive, he broke himself in the last two games. Unfortunately, I don't think defensive is in his nature.
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Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
March 10 2012 12:37 GMT
#1077
On March 10 2012 21:37 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 21:32 Makavw wrote:
Wow, this must be some of the worst finals ever :/


not players problem, sc2 ist the problem. too many bad games in sc2.


lol no
Dumboprime
Profile Joined March 2011
985 Posts
March 10 2012 12:38 GMT
#1078
this is gonna end up just like the two recent games if MC doesnt pull a rabbit out of his hat...
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
March 10 2012 12:38 GMT
#1079
On March 10 2012 21:36 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 21:34 Lann555 wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:33 Doublemint wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:30 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Why is MC always trying to end the game prematurely when he is in an obviously advantageous position?


He is in a shitty position either way. Go back and lose a ton in his, then when he´s back T gets in medivacs and trollololols his way home. Go for it and hope for the best. Puma just played smarter, in that he forced his game on MC, and won the game on his terms.


Why did he even leave his base? Puma has shown time and time again that he loves big drops and is willing to gamble with that style. Shakuras is not a bad map for Protoss to grab 3 bases and go for 200/200 with HT/Collosus/Archon.


True dat - should watch the replay - but it seemed Puma baited him into that situation - not sure.


He did, MC didn't want to attack, he wanted to just put some pressure and maybe deny a 3rd base.
But when Puma dropped those 16 marines in his base he would have kiled half of MC's base before he would have gotten back.
MC paniced and attacked up a ramp which never really works.
Spiner
Profile Joined February 2011
United States360 Posts
March 10 2012 12:38 GMT
#1080
On March 10 2012 21:36 JayJay_90 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 21:34 Spiner wrote:
My protoss practice partner would have played better in that situation. He just turtles and adds cannons in the main and maxes out. Hard to beat a protoss that just turtles.

I bet you and your practise partner are both at least Code A material right?


You don't understand. Given that situation, many protoss would have played better than MC. Of course MC being code S quality means hes better in much more situations. Kind of obvious how bad he played there.
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