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On March 11 2012 00:12 StatorFlux wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 00:07 MVTaylor wrote:On March 10 2012 23:59 StatorFlux wrote:
Why is the Starcraft2 final scheduled so early in the day? Makes no sense for Europeans, makes very little sense in a global perspective. Look at the number of stream viewers watching this LoL final and compare it to the number watching SC2. Also consider the fact Riot chucked some money their way for the finals stage. It's not a hard question to answer. If you read my post it was not "let's switch timeslots between LoL and SC2". I was seeking to discuss other permutations and possibilities, such as having the SC2-final after, having LoL on a Sunday and SC2 on Saturday or vice versa. Maybe ESL should consider not having SC2 at all if it can't be fitted into their schedule in a good way. It is maybe not a hard question to answer but I felt you still didn't.
1) ceBIT's final day is today
2) ceBIT closes at 6PM CET / 5PM GMT
http://www.cebit.de/en/information-for/visitors/at-a-glance/opening-hours
Maybe now it's obvious
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It's funny to see so many people talking about they don't know what's going on in LoL but there are over 200,000 viewers.
+ Show Spoiler +SC2 has lost the war  INC Tons of new LoL teams...
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Good final for MC, the games were not the best that I've ever seen, but whatever a win is a win  Game 5 was exciting tho.
LoL numbers are great, which is nice, but it's unfortunate that they have rather one-sided final... 11-30 is bad no matter what sport you are playing :D And their commentators are the worst of the 3 games at IEM. I have the feeling that they are going to fall asleep.
On March 11 2012 00:15 Jellomomello wrote:It's funny to see so many people talking about they don't know what's going on in LoL but there are over 200,000 viewers. + Show Spoiler +SC2 has lost the war INC Tons of new LoL teams...
What war man ?
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On March 11 2012 00:15 MVTaylor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 00:12 StatorFlux wrote:On March 11 2012 00:07 MVTaylor wrote:On March 10 2012 23:59 StatorFlux wrote:
Why is the Starcraft2 final scheduled so early in the day? Makes no sense for Europeans, makes very little sense in a global perspective. Look at the number of stream viewers watching this LoL final and compare it to the number watching SC2. Also consider the fact Riot chucked some money their way for the finals stage. It's not a hard question to answer. If you read my post it was not "let's switch timeslots between LoL and SC2". I was seeking to discuss other permutations and possibilities, such as having the SC2-final after, having LoL on a Sunday and SC2 on Saturday or vice versa. Maybe ESL should consider not having SC2 at all if it can't be fitted into their schedule in a good way. It is maybe not a hard question to answer but I felt you still didn't. 1) ceBIT's final day is today 2) ceBIT closes at 6PM CET / 5PM GMT http://www.cebit.de/en/information-for/visitors/at-a-glance/opening-hoursMaybe now it's obvious
(I edited my post while you were quoting it)
No, it is still not obvious, very few things are.
Some possibilites:
1. Have the SC2-final on a GOOD timeslot on Friday (as an European have only been watching restreams for this IEM) and let LoL have Saturday for itself.
2. There are 6½ hours between the starting times for the SC2-final and the LoL-final. There are conceivable (not necessary practical) ways to make the SC2-final to be played later, like re-scheduling of the 3/4-place match to another day. What is the typical length of a LoL-match?
3. Format of the SC2-finals (BO5) which influences scheduling.
Do you honestly feel that there are no scheduling issues to be discussed at all? No improvements or changes which can be done to better the viewing experience and numbers? Everything is for the best in this best of worlds?
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It'S actually crazy to see how much LoL is doing for ESL viewer numbers compared to sc2. I think it is pretty astonishing that there is such a huge amount of tournaments and competition among tournament organizers while it creates maybe a fifth of the viewers... As a profit oriented tournament organizer, you might just drop sc2 completely :-(
I am not too familiar with LoL, but is the IEM the no1 tourney for LoL or are there other big time events like this one?
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WHy dont mods ban people talking about LoL here? they have a thread where they can talk about it all they want, even a whole section ffs.
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sc2 is over, why not talk about LoL?
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On March 11 2012 00:29 qqK wrote:
sc2 is over, why not talk about LoL? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=316853¤tpage=289
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On March 11 2012 00:04 tztztz wrote:
i'm watching too right know and i think the casters chould do a better job to make it more accessible to people who don't have a clue whats going on. i don't know if its possible or maybe i'm asking for too much, but i don't think you're as clueless as i'm right know when you watch sc2 for the first time. i don't know, it different games, but i don't think the caster are considering new people who may be watching right know, which is actually quite a possibility because its the iem wc finals.
I can understand this opinion and I have no real idea about LoL either. But (slightly exaggerating) imagine you were watching the GSL-Final and Tastosis spend most of the time explaining basic stuff like how the resources work, what a zealot, zergling or a marine actually is or why nobody is attacking this half-transparent unit that is killing workers.
Or if during the Super Bowl the commentators start explaining that the offense has 4 downs to get 10 yards.
Or....
Every big event of a competition brings new viewers, but I can imagine right now 90% of the viewers know what is going on. These is the audience the commentators should aim for.
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Quick question, what the hell is with all the negativity? We just had a great tournament and all people can do is complain about balance, viewer numbers or the schedule (or a whole host of other things). Just please let there be a positive atmosphere after a tournament finishes, it would be such a good way to end it.
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On March 11 2012 00:15 Jellomomello wrote:It's funny to see so many people talking about they don't know what's going on in LoL but there are over 200,000 viewers. + Show Spoiler +SC2 has lost the war INC Tons of new LoL teams...
Hold the line Soldier!
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On March 11 2012 00:26 StatorFlux wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 00:15 MVTaylor wrote:On March 11 2012 00:12 StatorFlux wrote:On March 11 2012 00:07 MVTaylor wrote:On March 10 2012 23:59 StatorFlux wrote:
Why is the Starcraft2 final scheduled so early in the day? Makes no sense for Europeans, makes very little sense in a global perspective. Look at the number of stream viewers watching this LoL final and compare it to the number watching SC2. Also consider the fact Riot chucked some money their way for the finals stage. It's not a hard question to answer. If you read my post it was not "let's switch timeslots between LoL and SC2". I was seeking to discuss other permutations and possibilities, such as having the SC2-final after, having LoL on a Sunday and SC2 on Saturday or vice versa. Maybe ESL should consider not having SC2 at all if it can't be fitted into their schedule in a good way. It is maybe not a hard question to answer but I felt you still didn't. 1) ceBIT's final day is today 2) ceBIT closes at 6PM CET / 5PM GMT http://www.cebit.de/en/information-for/visitors/at-a-glance/opening-hoursMaybe now it's obvious (I edited my post while you were quoting it) No, it is still not obvious, very few things are. Some possibilites: 1. Have the SC2-final on a GOOD timeslot on Friday (as an European have only been watching restreams for this IEM) and let LoL have Saturday for itself. 2. There are 6½ hours between the starting times for the SC2-final and the LoL-final. There are conceivable (not necessary practical) ways to make the SC2-final to be played later, like re-scheduling of the 3/4-place match to another day. What is the typical length of a LoL-match? 3. Format of the SC2-finals (BO5) which influences scheduling. Do you honestly feel that there are no scheduling issues to be discussed at all? No improvements or changes which can be done to better the viewing experience and numbers? Everything is for the best in this best of worlds?
1. How is midday on a Saturday a bad time? You have football matches and other sporting events played then, you do not have them played late afternoon on Fridays. If they were to have the finals on Friday then given how long a bo5 takes they'd have to start it at 3PM GMT / 4PM CET at. least. while most people are still at work. Early on Saturday is infinitely better than any time at all on Friday.
2. I have no idea how the scheduling of the 3rd/4th place finals which happened at like 8AM GMT / 9AM CET today could effect the timing of the finals. There were also not 6 and a half hours between the seperate game finals starting, there were three, about enough time to play a SC2 bo5 finals, do the prize ceremony and get everything set up for the next finals. With LoL you've got to get ten computers ready for the finalists to play a bo3 where each game can easily take an hour, longer than that with the breaks in between for bans and picks.
3. If the SC2 finals were anything less than a bo5 then there'd be uproar over the format being awful. The only major tournament that was using bo3 for finals was MLG and thankfully even they have stopped that now.
Also, look, CounterStrike finals were on even earlier than the SC2 finals and I don't see anyone bitching about that. All that's coming across is that you don't like LoL and that if SC2 cannot be the last event on in the day then you'd rather IEM didn't have SC2 purely so it doesn't have to play second fiddle. Well guess what, when LoL is pulling in five times the stream numbers of SC2 and the developer is actually giving a damn about esports then this gap is just going to increase. Yes LoL is free to play and has a link to the stream when you start the game, and yes there are less events so their whole community will tune in when there is one but until Blizzard get off their ass and actually do something to support esports that involves more than just sending Rob Simpson along to commentate then this is only going to get worse and worse and worse at least until HotS is released.
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pow mc winning another forgein tourny.
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On March 11 2012 00:21 Shikyo wrote:
They hit 252000 viewers.
Well, lol has once again claimed the throne as the nr 1 streaming esport.
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EPT
