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Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
March 07 2012 10:47 GMT
#981
On March 07 2012 19:46 Jehct wrote:
Wow, Idra losing again to an immortal/sentry/stalker timing. His ZvP is so weak =/

That's actually a fairly strong push that most non-Drg/Stephano's have problems with.
W2
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1177 Posts
March 07 2012 10:48 GMT
#982
On March 07 2012 19:46 Leetley wrote:
Idra has always had so much trouble with these kind of pushes from any race.


I saw stephano lose against a no-namer doing the same strat (might have been titan?). And I remember that game looking just as one-sided. It's not just idra
Hi
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
March 07 2012 10:48 GMT
#983
On March 07 2012 19:46 Megabuster123 wrote:
That exact same build rapes me every single time...>_>


Yeah even when you know it's coming it's insane.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
March 07 2012 10:48 GMT
#984
i dont get it, he scouts the gates and knows it's a 2 base all in and yet still doesn't defend adequately
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
March 07 2012 10:48 GMT
#985
Dimaga doing great, given he's lkie 15 supply behind throughout the game. But it might not be enough.
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
March 07 2012 10:48 GMT
#986
On March 07 2012 19:46 Pandemona wrote:
Awww poor IdrA. The one time you dont think he is going to 2 base all in u xD Oh well zooom. 1-1. PLEASE Roach Ling All In!!!!!!!!!!!


yeah I haven't seen any scouting from feast and never building a second cannon. 2 base roach all in would probably walk all over him.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
March 07 2012 10:48 GMT
#987
On March 07 2012 19:48 W2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 19:46 Leetley wrote:
Idra has always had so much trouble with these kind of pushes from any race.


I saw stephano lose against a no-namer doing the same strat (might have been titan?). And I remember that game looking just as one-sided. It's not just idra


Titan is no no-namer z_z
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
March 07 2012 10:48 GMT
#988
On March 07 2012 19:46 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 19:46 m0ck wrote:
Idra can make the simplest of builds look invincible

It's a fricking strong build. Nestea and DRG complained about it.
Not "simplest" build at all

yeah thats right. You have to stall and draw some FFs in the middle of the map, so it becomes easier to defend. It`s still hard to stop.
keep it deep! @zulison
JayJay_90
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1632 Posts
March 07 2012 10:48 GMT
#989
On March 07 2012 19:46 W2 wrote:
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On March 07 2012 19:43 Swiv wrote:
Feast is endlessly greedy. Early roach speedlings would have killed him imo


Maybe he did a late re-scout with a probe? Or chrono zealot? Do you remember?

I'm not sure about which timing you're talking about exactly, but he did send a probe out and saw the 3rd.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
March 07 2012 10:48 GMT
#990
On March 07 2012 19:44 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 19:41 Jyvblamo wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:39 Megabuster123 wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:37 Jehct wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:34 Megabuster123 wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:32 Lasbike wrote:
Why is Idra going Mutas against a phoenix opening..

There's actually nothing wrong with going Muta against pheonix openings, as long as it's only single stargate.

I think post-patch it's actually a terrible move, especially if you let protoss get to 3base uncontested. Their natural tech decision on 3base is to go fleet beacon for mothership anyway; the 7 phoenix Feast had, plus range, can kill absurd numbers of muta.

I feel like all you have to do is tech out of muta once you scout the fleet beacon. What are 15 pheonix's going to do against corrupter BL or roach infestor?

Protoss doesn't need to make nearly that many phoenixes. Feast could have stayed on 1 stargate and the +2 range would have been enough to prevent the mutalisks from flying into his main and wreaking havoc.


Have you used this upgrade yet? it's so damn expensive to get and when Zerg scouts your fleet beacon they just tech switch. It's not as easy you claim.

The fleet beacon is already going to be part of your tech if the zerg is going for hive, and the zerg shouldn't have an easy transition if he sunk ~1.5-2k+ gas in mutalisks.
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
March 07 2012 10:48 GMT
#991
On March 07 2012 19:46 dainbramage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 19:46 smr wrote:
ahaha Mrbitter: It's not over yet...oh gg"


To be fair, it was idra.


Sorry that my post could be misinterpreted. I felt sorry for MrBitter because Idra crushed his soon-to-come analysis of the situation in the following minutes.
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
March 07 2012 10:48 GMT
#992
On March 07 2012 19:48 mememolly wrote:
i dont get it, he scouts the gates and knows it's a 2 base all in and yet still doesn't defend adequately


MaNa did an immortal 7gate expand against zenio.
How do you scout a 2 base all in?
Benjamin80
Profile Joined February 2012
581 Posts
March 07 2012 10:49 GMT
#993
On March 07 2012 19:47 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 19:46 Jehct wrote:
Wow, Idra losing again to an immortal/sentry/stalker timing. His ZvP is so weak =/

That's actually a fairly strong push that most non-Drg/Stephano's have problems with.


I actually think thats one of the reason why DRG/Stephano are so good in ZvP they simply dont lose to any 2 base timing attack.
[QUOTE][B]On March 19 2012 02:32 iNcontroL wrote:[/B] IF LIFE GIVES YOU LEMONS YOU CANNON RUSH[/QUOTE]
Megaman_X
Profile Joined October 2011
United States164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 10:49:15
March 07 2012 10:49 GMT
#994
On March 07 2012 19:47 Lann555 wrote:
I think it's safe to say Idra isn't even top 10 foreigner anymore. Even top 20 might be stretching it at this point.

wut? lets see other zergs hold this, with the exception of stephano
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
March 07 2012 10:49 GMT
#995
On March 07 2012 19:48 W2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 19:46 Leetley wrote:
Idra has always had so much trouble with these kind of pushes from any race.


I saw stephano lose against a no-namer doing the same strat (might have been titan?). And I remember that game looking just as one-sided. It's not just idra


Titan's not a no-namer =/. And the difference is that Stephano/DRG defend those attacks the majority of the time. Idra rarely does.
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Hypertension
Profile Joined April 2011
United States802 Posts
March 07 2012 10:49 GMT
#996
On March 07 2012 19:46 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 19:46 m0ck wrote:
Idra can make the simplest of builds look invincible

It's a fricking strong build. Nestea and DRG complained about it.
Not "simplest" build at all

I think it is safe to say DRG has figured out how to beat some Protoss builds.
Buy boots first. Boots good item.
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
March 07 2012 10:49 GMT
#997
On March 07 2012 19:48 W2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 19:46 Leetley wrote:
Idra has always had so much trouble with these kind of pushes from any race.


I saw stephano lose against a no-namer doing the same strat (might have been titan?). And I remember that game looking just as one-sided. It's not just idra

Perhaps because titan is not a no namer? He plays some good PvZ
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
March 07 2012 10:49 GMT
#998
On March 07 2012 19:47 MandoRelease wrote:
Well, classic Protoss play, making immortel blindly hoping to not see hydralisks. Paid off this time.

You don't usually go blind 2 base hydra against toss neither...
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
March 07 2012 10:49 GMT
#999
On March 07 2012 19:47 Tump wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 19:46 Megabuster123 wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:44 Jehct wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:39 Megabuster123 wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:37 Jehct wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:34 Megabuster123 wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:32 Lasbike wrote:
Why is Idra going Mutas against a phoenix opening..

There's actually nothing wrong with going Muta against pheonix openings, as long as it's only single stargate.

I think post-patch it's actually a terrible move, especially if you let protoss get to 3base uncontested. Their natural tech decision on 3base is to go fleet beacon for mothership anyway; the 7 phoenix Feast had, plus range, can kill absurd numbers of muta.

I feel like all you have to do is tech out of muta once you scout the fleet beacon. What are 15 pheonix's going to do against corrupter BL or roach infestor?

Kill the corruptors and lift infestors? Phoenix are fucking amazing, and the investment into muta is a lot bigger than the investment into phoenix.


On March 07 2012 19:44 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:41 Jyvblamo wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:39 Megabuster123 wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:37 Jehct wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:34 Megabuster123 wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:32 Lasbike wrote:
Why is Idra going Mutas against a phoenix opening..

There's actually nothing wrong with going Muta against pheonix openings, as long as it's only single stargate.

I think post-patch it's actually a terrible move, especially if you let protoss get to 3base uncontested. Their natural tech decision on 3base is to go fleet beacon for mothership anyway; the 7 phoenix Feast had, plus range, can kill absurd numbers of muta.

I feel like all you have to do is tech out of muta once you scout the fleet beacon. What are 15 pheonix's going to do against corrupter BL or roach infestor?

Protoss doesn't need to make nearly that many phoenixes. Feast could have stayed on 1 stargate and the +2 range would have been enough to prevent the mutalisks from flying into his main and wreaking havoc.


Have you used this upgrade yet? it's so damn expensive to get and when Zerg scouts your fleet beacon they just tech switch. It's not as easy you claim.

On 3base eco it's pretty negligible, especially since you want mothership anyway.

Are they? I'm pretty sure Phoenix are a bigger investment if you're trying to compete with Muta.

Mutalisks hit ground units and do splash damage, Jehct. I sure hope they're a bigger investment.

Dolt.

I know that from a strictly monetary perspective they're more expensive, but isn't it just easier to tech switch for zerg. I feel like if you take into account the cost of switching out of the phoenix's it's not really that big of a deal.
Mycl
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1370 Posts
March 07 2012 10:49 GMT
#1000
On March 07 2012 19:48 Oboeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 19:46 Pandemona wrote:
Awww poor IdrA. The one time you dont think he is going to 2 base all in u xD Oh well zooom. 1-1. PLEASE Roach Ling All In!!!!!!!!!!!


yeah I haven't seen any scouting from feast and never building a second cannon. 2 base roach all in would probably walk all over him.


You can be that greedy with these maps
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