EPT[IEM] World - Day 2 @ CeBIT - Page 162
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Hakanfrog
Sweden690 Posts
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:14 CosmicSpiral wrote: Lucky's ZvT is terrible. Zenio's isn't much better. He beat DRG once (and it was 2-1). He also proceeded to lose to Lucky, Ret, Morrow, got mauled by Stephano at Assembly (who didn't consider practicing ZvT for months before Polt beat him in the finals), and was outplayed by Ragnarok and Miya in EWM. His KR record vs zergs is 2-10 since GSL Season 1 qualifiers. Zenio and JYP can never make deep runs in the GSL. They get knocked out of the first round immediately and are forced to rely on lucky matchups to survive. Zenio play very well against sC but usually his ZvT is much sloppier; I was surprised to see such good late game management. And it sure didn't carry over to IEM. :/ Puma still regularly beats Code A/S level players from all 3 races. Yes, he has lost to some non code A/S Zergs. Pretty much every player has. You know MVP just lost to Ret too. And some of those losses you listed were in bo1's or cross server play. Puma's TvZ is far better than JYP's PvT. His weakest match up is still stronger than a lot of GSL players weakest match ups. Every player has a weak match up. MMA isnt good against Protoss, yet has won a GSL championship. You keep making these excuses like JYP and Zenio get knocked out in first round of Code S but then remain in GSL cause of luck. Its more than luck. They are damn good players. Thats why they are still in GSL. Puma is more than good enough to qualify for GSL and stay in GSL, but he just hasnt played his best in the qualifiers for some reason. You know it took DRG a while to qualify for GSL as well, even though he won the LG tournament and was kicking ass in the GSTL. | ||
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jkang
United States404 Posts
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morbvs
Germany358 Posts
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
(first in group gets bye I think) | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:53 xrapture wrote: lol so no Terrans will play tomorrow? (first in group gets bye I think) Supernova vs Zenio | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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tuho12345
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seoul_kiM
United States545 Posts
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Ender985
Spain910 Posts
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
look like MC in the finals also, although i think feast has a real chance of taking MC out MC is a PvP beast but he lost to whitera so he can easily lose to feast i really wanted to see PvZs but of the 3 Zs left, 2 are playing each other and the other has to beat supernova and MMA just to get the chance to possibly play a P - but that P has to go through Puma to get there, so i doubt that'll happen  on a side note, if someone had said to me yesterday 'Idra will defeat Supernova in his group' i woulda thought great, possible 5-0 for idra! 1-4 -_- | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:03 tuho12345 wrote: looks like a clear MMA vs MC final. None of Puma/SuperNova or Zenio could take down MMA for sure. And MC may have a lil trouble with Violet, otherwise he's better than the rest. MC > Violet, after MC training with DRG. It's the inevitable PvP that could be tricky. | ||
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Jampackedeon
United States2053 Posts
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Laids
United Kingdom596 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:30 jmbthirteen wrote: Puma still regularly beats Code A/S level players from all 3 races. Yes, he has lost to some non code A/S Zergs. Pretty much every player has. You know MVP just lost to Ret too. And some of those losses you listed were in bo1's or cross server play. Puma's TvZ is far better than JYP's PvT. His weakest match up is still stronger than a lot of GSL players weakest match ups. Every player has a weak match up. MMA isnt good against Protoss, yet has won a GSL championship. You keep making these excuses like JYP and Zenio get knocked out in first round of Code S but then remain in GSL cause of luck. Its more than luck. They are damn good players. Thats why they are still in GSL. Puma is more than good enough to qualify for GSL and stay in GSL, but he just hasnt played his best in the qualifiers for some reason. You know it took DRG a while to qualify for GSL as well, even though he won the LG tournament and was kicking ass in the GSTL. Well duh, hence why Puma is the ace and JYP is not. Mvp at least has the excuse of terrible pain in his wrists. He is losing to these Code B zergs on a consistent basis, and they are not necessarily undervalued like Tear or Finale. If you take out his series against Puma Ragnarok is just 3-9 vs terrans, not even top-level ones. And again 2-10 against zerg since GSL Season 1 qualifiers, low-level zergs as well. MMA's TvP is more than good enough to push him past the likes of Oz and Puzzle. And compared to his TvT and TvZ it can only be called weak in relation to his success in those arenas. It is far better than Ganzi's and Ryung's on an objective basis. JYP got blown out of Code S because of a bad matchup, and we are going to see if he can outcome it in the Up-and-Downs. He can stay in GSL because he has good PvP and good PvZ; Zenio can stay because he has great ZvZ and somewhat shaky ZvP. But they will be just as successful as Virus as long as they never become good in all matchups. "For some reason" is as legitimate an excuse as "bad maps". How many times has Creator had to fight through Code A qualifiers? Point is, you won't have much success in the GSL if you have a gaping hole in your play. Can Puma make it into GSL? Obviously. Can he stay in it? Obviously. Can he be successful? He would have to avoid decent ZvT players to do so; that's not comforting. | ||
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Slangen
Sweden1166 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:44 jkang wrote: Predicting MMA vs SuperNoVa and MC vs HasuObs for semi finals. MMA and SuperNova (if SuperNova advances) will meet in the r8. | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:21 SeaSwift wrote: MC > Violet, after MC training with DRG. It's the inevitable PvP that could be tricky. Well Violet just beat herO couple days ago so can't underestimate him though. Also watching restream where IdrA premature gg in like every game lol. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
lots of hot asian girls there ! cassandra. mc's gf and I didnt watch the stage stream today and yesterday but isnt the host dressed in the yellow dress @ ipl3, as well?( in the first video) | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
btw MC's gf looks a more mature than him lol. | ||
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