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On March 07 2012 03:15 MeFAT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 03:11 Daray wrote:On March 07 2012 03:07 MeFAT wrote:On March 07 2012 02:35 cyclone4tw wrote:On March 07 2012 02:31 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 07 2012 02:28 cyclone4tw wrote:On March 07 2012 02:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
It just makes me sad when my favorite player gets beaten/knocked out in pvp by a overall lesser skilled player. It's just sad.
So good to see MC made through today. Because SC2 should be a game where favorites win 100% of their games vs less skilled players, right? Elfi was the better player today, deal with it. I was just talking about pvp, and elfi was not the better player today. MC's 1st in group and elfi's 2nd. Don't be so sensitive. If you were talking about PvP then don't include their results vs Nerchio in this discussion. I said that Elfi was the better player between him and MC today, in this matchup. It wasn't luck that won him those games, it was his superior micro during ~110/110 supply fights. Out of 3 players: MC won 3, lost 2 HasuObs won 2, lost 2 Elfi won 2, lost 3 nuff said. This makes no sense to me. Well, the caster said Elfi is the best PvP player in the world and most on here think he's better than MC in PvP. But, out of the 3 players that played PvP against each other, Elfi has the worst win/loss ratio.
Its their job to hype up things that probably shouldn't be hyped up.
A few bo3 doesn't really prove anything in the world of PvP.
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On March 07 2012 03:15 kobrakai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 03:01 Seraphone wrote:On March 07 2012 02:44 Vadrigar wrote:On March 07 2012 02:40 Seraphone wrote:On March 07 2012 02:37 Champloo wrote:On March 07 2012 02:34 Seraphone wrote:On March 07 2012 02:31 Champloo wrote:
I love those glory hunters being butthurt cause their favorite koreans lost to foreigners. We are indeed very butthurt that Koreans took top 3 in Group A and top 1 in Group B. It was a bad day for Koreans indeed. Just look at your last posts in this thread. You are totally butthurt. Just look at your sig "oh that guy won the GSL multiple times, I'm gonna fanboy the shit outta him" Well basically as a UK citizen we had only one UK player when I started watching and he plays Terran and was injured for a long time. It will be a cold day in hell before I cheer for Americans, Germans, Frenchmen or other countries who are England's traditional rivals in all sports. So I will cheer for the guys who play the best Starcraft and are from a country which my country has basically zero reason to every dislike or want to lose. It's so easy to cheer for the best. I bet you're a fan of Manure Utd too. Well I live in Manchester, so that doesn't count. Well all of the mancs I know have always supported City. So I guess it does count.
Anyone who actually lives in Manchester knows this is bollocks because A) City fans live in Stockport and B) It's just plain bollocks. City have a good following in Manchester but there's still easily more United fans even though the number of City fans has increased since they got good.
It's pure tabloid shite that people in Manchester support City.
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On March 07 2012 03:19 Daray wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 03:15 MeFAT wrote:On March 07 2012 03:11 Daray wrote:On March 07 2012 03:07 MeFAT wrote:On March 07 2012 02:35 cyclone4tw wrote:On March 07 2012 02:31 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 07 2012 02:28 cyclone4tw wrote:On March 07 2012 02:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
It just makes me sad when my favorite player gets beaten/knocked out in pvp by a overall lesser skilled player. It's just sad.
So good to see MC made through today. Because SC2 should be a game where favorites win 100% of their games vs less skilled players, right? Elfi was the better player today, deal with it. I was just talking about pvp, and elfi was not the better player today. MC's 1st in group and elfi's 2nd. Don't be so sensitive. If you were talking about PvP then don't include their results vs Nerchio in this discussion. I said that Elfi was the better player between him and MC today, in this matchup. It wasn't luck that won him those games, it was his superior micro during ~110/110 supply fights. Out of 3 players: MC won 3, lost 2 HasuObs won 2, lost 2 Elfi won 2, lost 3 nuff said. This makes no sense to me. Well, the caster said Elfi is the best PvP player in the world and most on here think he's better than MC in PvP. But, out of the 3 players that played PvP against each other, Elfi has the worst win/loss ratio. Its their job to hype up things that probably shouldn't be hyped up. A few bo3 doesn't really prove anything in the world of PvP.
Is that really their job? I like what the casters on the IMBTV stream said, that they have no qualms calling a game over when it is over, and don't feel the need to pander to viewers who are probably smarter than that anyways.
I'm not saying bitterdam did that specifically, but it's something that happens far too often from all the casters, although tasteosis seem much more comfortable in saying that a game is over or a play is bad.
Is there really not enough content in a sc2 match that you have to make up excitement that isn't there? I think the game is exciting enough that simple analysis would hold viewers. That of course requires casters to actually be good at analysis, the number of which are capable I can count on one hand.
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On March 07 2012 03:23 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 03:19 Daray wrote:On March 07 2012 03:15 MeFAT wrote:On March 07 2012 03:11 Daray wrote:On March 07 2012 03:07 MeFAT wrote:On March 07 2012 02:35 cyclone4tw wrote:On March 07 2012 02:31 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 07 2012 02:28 cyclone4tw wrote:On March 07 2012 02:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
It just makes me sad when my favorite player gets beaten/knocked out in pvp by a overall lesser skilled player. It's just sad.
So good to see MC made through today. Because SC2 should be a game where favorites win 100% of their games vs less skilled players, right? Elfi was the better player today, deal with it. I was just talking about pvp, and elfi was not the better player today. MC's 1st in group and elfi's 2nd. Don't be so sensitive. If you were talking about PvP then don't include their results vs Nerchio in this discussion. I said that Elfi was the better player between him and MC today, in this matchup. It wasn't luck that won him those games, it was his superior micro during ~110/110 supply fights. Out of 3 players: MC won 3, lost 2 HasuObs won 2, lost 2 Elfi won 2, lost 3 nuff said. This makes no sense to me. Well, the caster said Elfi is the best PvP player in the world and most on here think he's better than MC in PvP. But, out of the 3 players that played PvP against each other, Elfi has the worst win/loss ratio. Its their job to hype up things that probably shouldn't be hyped up. A few bo3 doesn't really prove anything in the world of PvP. Is that really their job? I like what the casters on the IMBTV stream said, that they have no qualms calling a game over when it is over, and don't feel the need to pander to viewers who are probably smarter than that anyways. I'm not saying bitterdam did that specifically, but it's something that happens far too often from all the casters, although tasteosis seem much more comfortable in saying that a game is over or a play is bad. Is there really not enough content in a sc2 match that you have to make up excitement that isn't there? I think the game is exciting enough that simple analysis would hold viewers. That of course requires casters to actually be good at analysis, the number of which are capable I can count on one hand.
I was refering to hyping up players and Artosis is the king of hyping up players and i see nothing wrong with that.
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One more thing, do you think MC thinks now that "PvP is such bullshit, wah wah wah"? A pro like that should know that there's no such a thing in a game of SC2 as deserving to win. If you lost you didn't deserve to win and it wouldn't matter anyway. Quite possibly he has just learnt something from these games, and that's all. So why should any of you be so butthurt about it?
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Destroyer of Worlds is here to kick some ass! )
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On March 07 2012 03:23 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 03:19 Daray wrote:On March 07 2012 03:15 MeFAT wrote:On March 07 2012 03:11 Daray wrote:On March 07 2012 03:07 MeFAT wrote:On March 07 2012 02:35 cyclone4tw wrote:On March 07 2012 02:31 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 07 2012 02:28 cyclone4tw wrote:On March 07 2012 02:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
It just makes me sad when my favorite player gets beaten/knocked out in pvp by a overall lesser skilled player. It's just sad.
So good to see MC made through today. Because SC2 should be a game where favorites win 100% of their games vs less skilled players, right? Elfi was the better player today, deal with it. I was just talking about pvp, and elfi was not the better player today. MC's 1st in group and elfi's 2nd. Don't be so sensitive. If you were talking about PvP then don't include their results vs Nerchio in this discussion. I said that Elfi was the better player between him and MC today, in this matchup. It wasn't luck that won him those games, it was his superior micro during ~110/110 supply fights. Out of 3 players: MC won 3, lost 2 HasuObs won 2, lost 2 Elfi won 2, lost 3 nuff said. This makes no sense to me. Well, the caster said Elfi is the best PvP player in the world and most on here think he's better than MC in PvP. But, out of the 3 players that played PvP against each other, Elfi has the worst win/loss ratio. Its their job to hype up things that probably shouldn't be hyped up. A few bo3 doesn't really prove anything in the world of PvP. Is that really their job? I like what the casters on the IMBTV stream said, that they have no qualms calling a game over when it is over, and don't feel the need to pander to viewers who are probably smarter than that anyways. I'm not saying bitterdam did that specifically, but it's something that happens far too often from all the casters, although tasteosis seem much more comfortable in saying that a game is over or a play is bad. Is there really not enough content in a sc2 match that you have to make up excitement that isn't there? I think the game is exciting enough that simple analysis would hold viewers. That of course requires casters to actually be good at analysis, the number of which are capable I can count on one hand.
Welcome to real world of casting and making tournaments and events more exciting by pandering to the viewers. People always seem to cry out how we should have Starcraft 2 in the mainstream yet don't want to sell out or "pander" towards the viewers. Look at most sporting events. It could be two mediocre teams facing each other, but you still need hype. It would also attract people who don't even play the game.
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tournament over for the day?
EDIT: apparently yes, are there already VODs?
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On March 07 2012 03:19 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 03:15 MeFAT wrote:On March 07 2012 03:11 Daray wrote:On March 07 2012 03:07 MeFAT wrote:On March 07 2012 02:35 cyclone4tw wrote:On March 07 2012 02:31 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 07 2012 02:28 cyclone4tw wrote:On March 07 2012 02:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
It just makes me sad when my favorite player gets beaten/knocked out in pvp by a overall lesser skilled player. It's just sad.
So good to see MC made through today. Because SC2 should be a game where favorites win 100% of their games vs less skilled players, right? Elfi was the better player today, deal with it. I was just talking about pvp, and elfi was not the better player today. MC's 1st in group and elfi's 2nd. Don't be so sensitive. If you were talking about PvP then don't include their results vs Nerchio in this discussion. I said that Elfi was the better player between him and MC today, in this matchup. It wasn't luck that won him those games, it was his superior micro during ~110/110 supply fights. Out of 3 players: MC won 3, lost 2 HasuObs won 2, lost 2 Elfi won 2, lost 3 nuff said. This makes no sense to me. Well, the caster said Elfi is the best PvP player in the world and most on here think he's better than MC in PvP. But, out of the 3 players that played PvP against each other, Elfi has the worst win/loss ratio. 1) that was ironic to some extend 2) PvP stats group B: elfi 3-1 (6-2) MC 2-2 (6-4) Hasu 2-2 (4-5) counting is a nice skill toi have.
Yes, it is a nice skill toi have, but you don't use the whole group but 3 players that tied in series only. If you use the whole group then I gotta bring out the stats and history of PvP that these 3 players have played and go all out general. By then, Elfi would look like a peanut.
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On March 07 2012 03:50 Danzo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 03:23 zefreak wrote:On March 07 2012 03:19 Daray wrote:On March 07 2012 03:15 MeFAT wrote:On March 07 2012 03:11 Daray wrote:On March 07 2012 03:07 MeFAT wrote:On March 07 2012 02:35 cyclone4tw wrote:On March 07 2012 02:31 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 07 2012 02:28 cyclone4tw wrote:On March 07 2012 02:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
It just makes me sad when my favorite player gets beaten/knocked out in pvp by a overall lesser skilled player. It's just sad.
So good to see MC made through today. Because SC2 should be a game where favorites win 100% of their games vs less skilled players, right? Elfi was the better player today, deal with it. I was just talking about pvp, and elfi was not the better player today. MC's 1st in group and elfi's 2nd. Don't be so sensitive. If you were talking about PvP then don't include their results vs Nerchio in this discussion. I said that Elfi was the better player between him and MC today, in this matchup. It wasn't luck that won him those games, it was his superior micro during ~110/110 supply fights. Out of 3 players: MC won 3, lost 2 HasuObs won 2, lost 2 Elfi won 2, lost 3 nuff said. This makes no sense to me. Well, the caster said Elfi is the best PvP player in the world and most on here think he's better than MC in PvP. But, out of the 3 players that played PvP against each other, Elfi has the worst win/loss ratio. Its their job to hype up things that probably shouldn't be hyped up. A few bo3 doesn't really prove anything in the world of PvP. Is that really their job? I like what the casters on the IMBTV stream said, that they have no qualms calling a game over when it is over, and don't feel the need to pander to viewers who are probably smarter than that anyways. I'm not saying bitterdam did that specifically, but it's something that happens far too often from all the casters, although tasteosis seem much more comfortable in saying that a game is over or a play is bad. Is there really not enough content in a sc2 match that you have to make up excitement that isn't there? I think the game is exciting enough that simple analysis would hold viewers. That of course requires casters to actually be good at analysis, the number of which are capable I can count on one hand. Welcome to real world of casting and making tournaments and events more exciting by pandering to the viewers. People always seem to cry out how we should have Starcraft 2 in the mainstream yet don't want to sell out or "pander" towards the viewers. Look at most sporting events. It could be two mediocre teams facing each other, but you still need hype. It would also attract people who don't even play the game.
Fair enough, can't say that's not reasonable but it does bug me still.
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On March 07 2012 03:58 MeFAT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 03:19 KalWarkov wrote:On March 07 2012 03:15 MeFAT wrote:On March 07 2012 03:11 Daray wrote:On March 07 2012 03:07 MeFAT wrote:On March 07 2012 02:35 cyclone4tw wrote:On March 07 2012 02:31 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 07 2012 02:28 cyclone4tw wrote:On March 07 2012 02:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
It just makes me sad when my favorite player gets beaten/knocked out in pvp by a overall lesser skilled player. It's just sad.
So good to see MC made through today. Because SC2 should be a game where favorites win 100% of their games vs less skilled players, right? Elfi was the better player today, deal with it. I was just talking about pvp, and elfi was not the better player today. MC's 1st in group and elfi's 2nd. Don't be so sensitive. If you were talking about PvP then don't include their results vs Nerchio in this discussion. I said that Elfi was the better player between him and MC today, in this matchup. It wasn't luck that won him those games, it was his superior micro during ~110/110 supply fights. Out of 3 players: MC won 3, lost 2 HasuObs won 2, lost 2 Elfi won 2, lost 3 nuff said. This makes no sense to me. Well, the caster said Elfi is the best PvP player in the world and most on here think he's better than MC in PvP. But, out of the 3 players that played PvP against each other, Elfi has the worst win/loss ratio. 1) that was ironic to some extend 2) PvP stats group B: elfi 3-1 (6-2) MC 2-2 (6-4) Hasu 2-2 (4-5) counting is a nice skill toi have. Yes, it is a nice skill toi have, but you don't use the whole group but 3 players that tied in series only. If you use the whole group then I gotta bring out the stats and history of PvP that these 3 players have played and go all out general. By then, Elfi would look like a peanut.
You don't understand. Go look at the group again and think a little bit.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_World_Championship
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Mefat go home or at least use your original account to post. That's becoming a bit sad.
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lol MMA 5-0 in sets, 10-0 in matches. "where's the extreme in IEM?"
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predicting
zenio
killer
puma
supernova
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On March 07 2012 04:32 CeriseCherries wrote:
lol MMA 5-0 in sets, 10-0 in matches. "where's the extreme in IEM?"
in MMA's jacket?
"moaning about accommodation on twitter MMA?"
"nah, going 10-0 brah"
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Is there any way to watch the VODs with commentary? I can't watch live tomorrow and I really don't want to watch the games without commentary.
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On March 07 2012 04:52 Animzor wrote:
Is there any way to watch the VODs with commentary? I can't watch live tomorrow and I really don't want to watch the games without commentary.
I guess you either have to watch the rerun, or if you can't watch that either, check out
http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/
But not sure how fast they'll be with uploading. Might be that all their staff is busy at cebit, dunno...
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On March 07 2012 03:23 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 03:19 Daray wrote:On March 07 2012 03:15 MeFAT wrote:On March 07 2012 03:11 Daray wrote:On March 07 2012 03:07 MeFAT wrote:On March 07 2012 02:35 cyclone4tw wrote:On March 07 2012 02:31 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 07 2012 02:28 cyclone4tw wrote:On March 07 2012 02:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
It just makes me sad when my favorite player gets beaten/knocked out in pvp by a overall lesser skilled player. It's just sad.
So good to see MC made through today. Because SC2 should be a game where favorites win 100% of their games vs less skilled players, right? Elfi was the better player today, deal with it. I was just talking about pvp, and elfi was not the better player today. MC's 1st in group and elfi's 2nd. Don't be so sensitive. If you were talking about PvP then don't include their results vs Nerchio in this discussion. I said that Elfi was the better player between him and MC today, in this matchup. It wasn't luck that won him those games, it was his superior micro during ~110/110 supply fights. Out of 3 players: MC won 3, lost 2 HasuObs won 2, lost 2 Elfi won 2, lost 3 nuff said. This makes no sense to me. Well, the caster said Elfi is the best PvP player in the world and most on here think he's better than MC in PvP. But, out of the 3 players that played PvP against each other, Elfi has the worst win/loss ratio. Its their job to hype up things that probably shouldn't be hyped up. A few bo3 doesn't really prove anything in the world of PvP. Is that really their job? I like what the casters on the IMBTV stream said, that they have no qualms calling a game over when it is over, and don't feel the need to pander to viewers who are probably smarter than that anyways. I'm not saying bitterdam did that specifically, but it's something that happens far too often from all the casters, although tasteosis seem much more comfortable in saying that a game is over or a play is bad. Is there really not enough content in a sc2 match that you have to make up excitement that isn't there? I think the game is exciting enough that simple analysis would hold viewers. That of course requires casters to actually be good at analysis, the number of which are capable I can count on one hand.
Oh please, Elfi obviously has the best PvP in the world. He's able to openly do shit that makes zero sense and win with it. How is this anything less than awe inspiring?
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