On February 25 2012 19:49 Devolved wrote: Elfi scared :x Any sane Protoss would be.
Any sane non-korean toss
Keep hating with the awesome mindset.
He has a 29 winstreak against non-korean opponents?
OH WELL IT MUST MEAN THAT THE KOREANS ARE GOING TO BEAT HIM.
Pretty much. I looked at his zvp on tlpd and on the first page the only players of note on it are MC and Naniwa and he's 0-4 against them.
Here's the deal.
Imagine looking at two different TLPDs. They have played against the same opponents in the same order and at the same times. Both went 0-4 against MC and Naniwa. After that, one of them (let's call him A) went on a very long uninterrupted winning streak, and one of them kept playing scrappy.
Who would you rather pick to win a match versus, say, MC?
You're disregarding evidence, and that's a sin.
Of course it doesn't mean that player A will easily stand up to MC or Naniwa, but his winning streak is evidence toward that he ought to do better than previously.
You're saying that the winning streak is evidence that Korans will beat him, which is false.
Logic, guys.
No, I'm basically saying I don't find the streak impressive, given the level of competition he faced. I don't look strictly at wins. Quality of opponent has to factor in a lot, cause to ignore it is kind of silly.
And still you can't even find one comparable streak by anyone? He is fucking 30-0 vs P.
On February 25 2012 20:09 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Congrats to Stephano on advancing. I think he will beat Elfi too and make it to the semis.
Yeah, Hardest opponent of Stephano so far was Mana, and he also got 2:0ed easily. Elfi should not stand a chance - so we have a good chance he will face a Korean later
On February 25 2012 19:49 Devolved wrote: Elfi scared :x Any sane Protoss would be.
Any sane non-korean toss
Keep hating with the awesome mindset.
He has a 29 winstreak against non-korean opponents?
OH WELL IT MUST MEAN THAT THE KOREANS ARE GOING TO BEAT HIM.
Pretty much. I looked at his zvp on tlpd and on the first page the only players of note on it are MC and Naniwa and he's 0-4 against them.
Here's the deal.
Imagine looking at two different TLPDs. They have played against the same opponents in the same order and at the same times. Both went 0-4 against MC and Naniwa. After that, one of them (let's call him A) went on a very long uninterrupted winning streak, and one of them kept playing scrappy.
Who would you rather pick to win a match versus, say, MC?
You're disregarding evidence, and that's a sin.
Of course it doesn't mean that player A will easily stand up to MC or Naniwa, but his winning streak is evidence toward that he ought to do better than previously.
You're saying that the winning streak is evidence that Korans will beat him, which is false.
Logic, guys.
No, I'm basically saying I don't find the streak impressive, given the level of competition he faced. I don't look strictly at wins. Quality of opponent has to factor in a lot, cause to ignore it is kind of silly.
And still you can't even find one comparable streak by anyone? He is fucking 30-0 vs P.
Why do I need to find a comparable streak? I already said he's a top foreigner and probably best foreign z. That doesn't change the fact, that I don't find the competition he faced to be that good. If he put up a 30-0 vs korean toss, then I would be impressed.
On February 25 2012 19:49 Devolved wrote: Elfi scared :x Any sane Protoss would be.
Any sane non-korean toss
Keep hating with the awesome mindset.
He has a 29 winstreak against non-korean opponents?
OH WELL IT MUST MEAN THAT THE KOREANS ARE GOING TO BEAT HIM.
Pretty much. I looked at his zvp on tlpd and on the first page the only players of note on it are MC and Naniwa and he's 0-4 against them.
Here's the deal.
Imagine looking at two different TLPDs. They have played against the same opponents in the same order and at the same times. Both went 0-4 against MC and Naniwa. After that, one of them (let's call him A) went on a very long uninterrupted winning streak, and one of them kept playing scrappy.
Who would you rather pick to win a match versus, say, MC?
You're disregarding evidence, and that's a sin.
Of course it doesn't mean that player A will easily stand up to MC or Naniwa, but his winning streak is evidence toward that he ought to do better than previously.
You're saying that the winning streak is evidence that Korans will beat him, which is false.
Logic, guys.
No, I'm basically saying I don't find the streak impressive, given the level of competition he faced. I don't look strictly at wins. Quality of opponent has to factor in a lot, cause to ignore it is kind of silly.
You answered this:
He has a 29 winstreak against non-korean opponents? OH WELL IT MUST MEAN THAT THE KOREANS ARE GOING TO BEAT HIM
With this:
Pretty much.
That's logic fail.
Quality of opposition factors in, but no matter how low the level of opposition is, a winning streak is always favourable. That is, if I win 5000 ZvPs versus FISH, it would be better than if I LOST some of them. If I went up against MC and you didn't know about my 5000 winning streak, and you gave me 0.1% chance to win, and then if I tell you about my streak, it would be stupid to say my chance of winning is now less than it was before.
On February 25 2012 19:49 Devolved wrote: Elfi scared :x Any sane Protoss would be.
Any sane non-korean toss
Keep hating with the awesome mindset.
He has a 29 winstreak against non-korean opponents?
OH WELL IT MUST MEAN THAT THE KOREANS ARE GOING TO BEAT HIM.
Pretty much. I looked at his zvp on tlpd and on the first page the only players of note on it are MC and Naniwa and he's 0-4 against them.
Here's the deal.
Imagine looking at two different TLPDs. They have played against the same opponents in the same order and at the same times. Both went 0-4 against MC and Naniwa. After that, one of them (let's call him A) went on a very long uninterrupted winning streak, and one of them kept playing scrappy.
Who would you rather pick to win a match versus, say, MC?
You're disregarding evidence, and that's a sin.
Of course it doesn't mean that player A will easily stand up to MC or Naniwa, but his winning streak is evidence toward that he ought to do better than previously.
You're saying that the winning streak is evidence that Korans will beat him, which is false.
Logic, guys.
No, I'm basically saying I don't find the streak impressive, given the level of competition he faced. I don't look strictly at wins. Quality of opponent has to factor in a lot, cause to ignore it is kind of silly.
And still you can't even find one comparable streak by anyone? He is fucking 30-0 vs P.
Why do I need to find a comparable streak? I already said he's a top foreigner and probably best foreign z. That doesn't change the fact, that I don't find the competition he faced to be that good. If he put up a 30-0 vs korean toss, then I would be impressed.
You're ignoring that he's still got such a streak against SC2 pros. He's not facing bronzies, but all pros. I doubt that you'd deny SC2 volatility, and the ability for a lesser-skilled opponent to certainly be able to take a single game off a high level if there's a lack of scouting, mis-micro, etc. Not dropping a game in that long of a time period to even a stupid cheese is very good.
On February 25 2012 19:49 Devolved wrote: Elfi scared :x Any sane Protoss would be.
Any sane non-korean toss
Keep hating with the awesome mindset.
He has a 29 winstreak against non-korean opponents?
OH WELL IT MUST MEAN THAT THE KOREANS ARE GOING TO BEAT HIM.
Pretty much. I looked at his zvp on tlpd and on the first page the only players of note on it are MC and Naniwa and he's 0-4 against them.
Here's the deal.
Imagine looking at two different TLPDs. They have played against the same opponents in the same order and at the same times. Both went 0-4 against MC and Naniwa. After that, one of them (let's call him A) went on a very long uninterrupted winning streak, and one of them kept playing scrappy.
Who would you rather pick to win a match versus, say, MC?
You're disregarding evidence, and that's a sin.
Of course it doesn't mean that player A will easily stand up to MC or Naniwa, but his winning streak is evidence toward that he ought to do better than previously.
You're saying that the winning streak is evidence that Korans will beat him, which is false.
Logic, guys.
No, I'm basically saying I don't find the streak impressive, given the level of competition he faced. I don't look strictly at wins. Quality of opponent has to factor in a lot, cause to ignore it is kind of silly.
Quality of opposition factors in, but no matter how low the level of opposition is, a winning streak is always favourable. That is, if I win 5000 ZvPs versus FISH, it would be better than if I LOST some of them. If I went up against MC and you didn't know about my 5000 winning streak, and you gave me 0.1% chance to win, and then if I tell you about my streak, it would be stupid to say my chance of winning is now less than it was before.
Wait that doesn't make sense because this isn't a game of chance and skill factors in. A pro could go on a 5000 game winning streak against bronze players. That doesn't increase his chances of beating MC, so yes I would ignore that 5000 game winning streak against bronze players if you told me about it, because it's irrelevant and has no bearing on how the games against MC would go.
On February 25 2012 19:49 Devolved wrote: Elfi scared :x Any sane Protoss would be.
Any sane non-korean toss
Keep hating with the awesome mindset.
He has a 29 winstreak against non-korean opponents?
OH WELL IT MUST MEAN THAT THE KOREANS ARE GOING TO BEAT HIM.
Pretty much. I looked at his zvp on tlpd and on the first page the only players of note on it are MC and Naniwa and he's 0-4 against them.
Here's the deal.
Imagine looking at two different TLPDs. They have played against the same opponents in the same order and at the same times. Both went 0-4 against MC and Naniwa. After that, one of them (let's call him A) went on a very long uninterrupted winning streak, and one of them kept playing scrappy.
Who would you rather pick to win a match versus, say, MC?
You're disregarding evidence, and that's a sin.
Of course it doesn't mean that player A will easily stand up to MC or Naniwa, but his winning streak is evidence toward that he ought to do better than previously.
You're saying that the winning streak is evidence that Korans will beat him, which is false.
Logic, guys.
No, I'm basically saying I don't find the streak impressive, given the level of competition he faced. I don't look strictly at wins. Quality of opponent has to factor in a lot, cause to ignore it is kind of silly.
You answered this:
He has a 29 winstreak against non-korean opponents? OH WELL IT MUST MEAN THAT THE KOREANS ARE GOING TO BEAT HIM
With this:
Pretty much.
That's logic fail.
Quality of opposition factors in, but no matter how low the level of opposition is, a winning streak is always favourable. That is, if I win 5000 ZvPs versus FISH, it would be better than if I LOST some of them. If I went up against MC and you didn't know about my 5000 winning streak, and you gave me 0.1% chance to win, and then if I tell you about my streak, it would be stupid to say my chance of winning is now less than it was before.
Wait that doesn't make sense because this isn't a game of chance and skill factors in. A pro could go on a 5000 game winning streak against bronze players. That doesn't increase his chances of beating MC.
Stephano's ridiculous winrate against foreigner Protosses clearly shows that he's on a completely different level from most foreigner ZvPs, but in Korea, I'd say that Stephano would be a pretty average ZvPer (and that's a compliment, by the way - most foreigners wish they could be "average" in Korea). In other words, Stephano's foreign ZvP winrate definitely helps the case that he'd be able to at least stand up to Koreans in a way that most foreign Zergs can't, but I also highly doubt that Korean Protosses would be "scared" of him.
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