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On February 09 2012 19:57 Horseballs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:55 Witten wrote:On February 09 2012 19:51 Horseballs wrote:On February 09 2012 19:50 Witten wrote:On February 09 2012 19:48 teddyoojo wrote:On February 09 2012 19:45 SolidMustard wrote:On February 09 2012 19:42 teddyoojo wrote:On February 09 2012 19:40 Fragile51 wrote:On February 09 2012 19:39 Logros wrote:On February 09 2012 19:38 Big J wrote:
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And how did he kill those probes? WITH MECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah it's funny that people say Mech is bad! He just killed a ton of probes with hellions! Well herp derp, you're not gonna have any blue flame hellions going bio. It's almost like terrans are so convinced that MMM is the only way to play TvP that they basically debunk any other strat that seems even slightly plausible. I'd love to see that kind of play more in TvP, MMM is getting boring. of course terrans are convinced mmm is the only way to play tvp. because it is. every pro says so. And MarineKing is... an amateur? marineking went for a mech timing attack. it worked because he killed 20 workers. he was far ahead. because of a timing attack not because of mech he went mech because u cant tech switch after u went for that kind of timing attack. if he didnt kill 20 workers that game wouldve been REALLY different. no. mech doesnt work tvp. I still don't get this arugment. He didn't win because of MECH. He won because of a MECH timing attack! Because that's not mech apparently. mech gets worse as the game goes on, the timing attack effectively keeps the game from progressing by resetting the econ of protoss and continuing to grow the econ of terran. Look at the battles, even with an econ disadvantage, Genius did really well in the battles vs hellion/tank. I mean, isn't that kind of the point? I mean, I guess a comparison would be MMM vs. Mech in TvT. The MMM player attacks and flanks to keep the tank count down so the Mech player never gets enough units to really punish the MMM player, while taking more bases because they have map control until the mech player gets enough tanks which the MMM player is keeping down by being mobile. I'm not trying to argue mech is better than MMM vs Protoss, just that MKP did it and won with it. Nobody ever denied that mech could win if you managed to luckily kill 20+ probes early on. In fact, if you were to go through my post history you would see me saying months ago that the only time I would ever win with mech was if I managed to kill a retarded amount of probes early on.
that's my feeling too, and that seems to be the lesson from Goody TvP mech play. (mech had very powerful way of harass -- hellions, banshee --, but it's overall bad in army confrontation vs a good toss).
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DRG really needs to get this win.
It's his only chance of going forward.
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Winner of this will be playing Parting.
Who shall it be?
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On February 09 2012 20:02 Beardedclam wrote:
I understand what Idra and lots of the Korean pros say about his play being retarded. He seems to either go all out allin or mass expand very greedy. Sometimes he does some random shit also, if you guess right you win but if you don't you lose. With terran being so hard to scout(without putting you behind), MKP comes out on top a lot doing this.
So he mixes it up, is hard to predict, and virtually always makes the finals.
Yep, pretty retarded..........
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It's Ash vs Gary Oak!
GO MKP!
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i think skymech is ok but it will always lose in direct engagements to storm+immortals+archons+chargelots+collossi out on the map
however, if the terran is defensive in his base with a 3-4 siegetanks behind a wall of depots and bunkers, the toss cannot attack into that because vikings instantly snipe and kill all the collossi then the rest of the army dies in the choke to tankfire after hellions vaporize all the zealots
i believe the best way to play mech is mass hellions, mass vikings, and then about 5-6tanks ONLY used for defensive purposes. you harass with vikings and hellions, and if the toss attacks you he dies because your tanks are sieged in defensive positions
upgrade mech and air to 3-3, while bio will have zero upgrades. with your first barracks, techlab it up and use it to make some marauders every now and then. marauders with zero upgrades still do 20 damage to stakers/immortals/collossi and arent bad without upgrades. the main rax unit that benefits from upgrades is marines, but if your going skymech as terran then you can rely on pure vikings for anti-air, with hellions being a mineral dump, and your first rax is used for some marauders and thats it
so thats how you play it. never attack the toss just be defensive with tanks while harassing a ton with vikings and hellions. if the toss ever moves out to attack you or your expansions guess what 20 vikings will land in his mineral line and 20 vikings vaporize a base in seconds. in fact 20 vikings deal as much ground dps as i think about 25 stimmed marines
so you can expand alot and if the toss tries to attack your expansions, 20 vikings destroy his base. so the toss is forced to be defensive and eventually it reaches 200food vs 200food and THEN the toss can attack. at that point only use your 5-6 tanks as defensive tools behind bunkers/depots at your bases and hopefully you can get 3-3 battlecruisers by that point and 3/3 battlecruisers combined with 3/3 vikings and 3/3 hellions will decimate toss
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DRG with a look that could turn babies to stone...
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did i hear some chanting from the audience? :D
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On February 09 2012 20:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:And yet it's so tiny compared to MLG x.x Really needs more representation in Korea...
You expect an MLG crowd to fit inside there? Plus, they are completely different tournament formats.
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Best day in GSL history up to now incoming?
DRG vs NesTea, best ZvZ series and game ever.
MKP vs Genius, MKP going Mech vs Protoss and then crushing Genius with Bio?
What's next?
Carrier build from Genius vs Nestea?
Hydrabuild by DRG vs MKP?
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On February 09 2012 19:59 pdd wrote:
Btw, anyone find it odd that Fionn got both predictions correct so far?
Im pretty sure artosis has more power than Fionn, and Artosis predicted MKP to lose and not to make it out of the group, and Nestea to beat DRG.
The Artosis curse still going strong.
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From a QA with MKP:
Q20. Who does he consider as a rival to him besides MVP??
A20. I'd like to beat DongRaeGu now. I lost a lot.
Well, here's your chance buddy.
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On February 09 2012 20:03 icecreamlolz wrote:
KongVsDong
KongvsKong is also fitting honestly.
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On February 09 2012 20:02 Beardedclam wrote:
I understand what Idra and lots of the Korean pros say about his play being retarded. He seems to either go all out allin or mass expand very greedy. Sometimes he does some random shit also, if you guess right you win but if you don't you lose. With terran being so hard to scout(without putting you behind), MKP comes out on top a lot doing this.
you can't be serious can you?
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On February 09 2012 20:03 Bashion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 20:00 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 09 2012 19:59 icecreamlolz wrote:On February 09 2012 19:57 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 09 2012 19:56 icecreamlolz wrote:
OOOOMG TvP still imba!!!111 MC and Parting just got lucky!!!!111 Parting said he actually wants to face Zerg. He claims it's his best MU and he wanted to face DRG in the ro8. If DRG beats marineking he gets his wish yeah i know. i was just quoting yesterdays LR-thread including all the PvT-imba whine. lets face it: there is no obvious imbalance, its about the players. Parting just makes it looked imba because he really fucking good >.> How did it take this guy so long to get into Code S. He's seriously kicking tons of ass. One thing that i have no idea how Parting does is his HT control. In every PVT, we see ghosts hiting at least a few EMPS and snipes. Parting managed to avoid all that, plus he made every storm count.
He's just the next flavor of the month. People just look at peoples most recent games and judge them. Parting could do amazing but he hasn't proved himself enough lately. His play seems really fucking greedy and terran just hasn't learned how to deal with it yet.
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I predict 2:1 either way...
MKP has a much better chance vs parting than DRG imo
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Plants vs Zombies FOR REAL!
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On February 09 2012 20:04 Blacktion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:59 pdd wrote:
Btw, anyone find it odd that Fionn got both predictions correct so far? Im pretty sure artosis has more power than Fionn, and Artosis predicted MKP to lose and not to make it out of the group, and Nestea to beat DRG. The Artosis curse still going strong.
"I can't predict anything except that marineking won't make it out of this group" --artosis
Pretty strong curse right there
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Please wall MKP, DRG loves his runbys.
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EPT
