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On January 30 2012 03:22 cyclone25 wrote:
1) Player x not playing seriously;
2) Cross-server lag;
3) Played at unreasonable hours.
I read these a lot in showmatches threads. If they are true, it means these showmatches are "hurting" eSports.
I think this would make for an interesting topic to discuss.
dumb logic.
It's a SHOWMATCH.
It's like an exhibition.
Sort of like the all pro game being played tonight for the NFL.
nobody goes all out, it's for show. or like an exhibition match in boxing, it's a given both fighters are not going all out.
It's for FUN. JJ
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On January 30 2012 03:22 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 02:29 cyclone25 wrote:On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times. You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done). Just curious, do you get paid to defend the koreans so much in every thread? Nerchio 4-5 Jjakji (Code S champion). This match proves that there is no skill gap at the top level. End of story. If you want to prove that koreans dominate the foreigners go post it in threads where that happened, because this showmatch doesn't help your cause mate. Your bias is disgusting. So you take 1 showmatch, that really has no implications that was played online with lag and you think this proves there is no gap. YET, in code A qualifiers all the top foreigners that have tried so far have gotten stomped. Yea ok. You can tell from the showmatch, JJaki wasn't going 100%. Jjaki >>>>>> nerchio sorry.
players like Puma, Bomber and DRG has also got stomped in code A qualifiers very many times before making it / haven't even made it yet (Puma T__T).
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On January 30 2012 03:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times. You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done). Whoa whoa whoa. Nerchio is better than all those (highly) overrated players.
nerchio better than Naniwa? LOL
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On January 30 2012 03:25 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 03:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times. You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done). Whoa whoa whoa. Nerchio is better than all those (highly) overrated players. nerchio better than Naniwa? LOL
Naniwa is the most overrated foreigner in recent times. His PvZ is horrible stuff. Nerchio is far stronger all around.
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@Hazuc View his statistics on TLPD vs Zerg players in Korea. Make a comparison of the worth of his Zerg opponent(s) and compare that to skill of Nerchio. He is not a terrible player but does not have the caliber of GSL Zerg players in Code S.
@zerker2strong k thanks
*typo
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On January 30 2012 03:25 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 03:25 Choboo wrote:On January 30 2012 03:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times. You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done). Whoa whoa whoa. Nerchio is better than all those (highly) overrated players. nerchio better than Naniwa? LOL Naniwa is the most overrated foreigner in recent times. His PvZ is horrible stuff. Nerchio is far stronger all around.
I want to answer you but sorry I've promised myself to try to not to argue with trolls
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On January 30 2012 03:27 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 03:25 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 30 2012 03:25 Choboo wrote:On January 30 2012 03:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times. You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done). Whoa whoa whoa. Nerchio is better than all those (highly) overrated players. nerchio better than Naniwa? LOL Naniwa is the most overrated foreigner in recent times. His PvZ is horrible stuff. Nerchio is far stronger all around. I want to answer you but sorry I've promised myself to try to not to argue with trolls
Deny the truth all you want, but Naniwa is still woeful in PvZ. He lost 3-1 to Zenio. Zenio, for god's sake! -_-
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On January 30 2012 03:25 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 03:25 Choboo wrote:On January 30 2012 03:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times. You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done). Whoa whoa whoa. Nerchio is better than all those (highly) overrated players. nerchio better than Naniwa? LOL Naniwa is the most overrated foreigner in recent times. His PvZ is horrible stuff. Nerchio is far stronger all around.
naniwa has horrible pvz? really? ever watched his stream?
only because he has some troubles with allins and stuff like doesnt mean he has bad pvz.
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On January 30 2012 03:28 ShoWTimE94 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 03:25 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 30 2012 03:25 Choboo wrote:On January 30 2012 03:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times. You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done). Whoa whoa whoa. Nerchio is better than all those (highly) overrated players. nerchio better than Naniwa? LOL Naniwa is the most overrated foreigner in recent times. His PvZ is horrible stuff. Nerchio is far stronger all around. naniwa has horrible pvz? really? ever watched his stream? only because he has some troubles with allins and stuff like doesnt mean he has bad pvz.
Everyone looks like a god on their stream, so your point is irrelevant. Tournaments are a whole different ballgame.
Some troubles with all-ins? He literally rolls over and dies to zerg all-ins in every tournament.
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Nerchio is one of the smartest foreign SC2 zergs . I personally wouldn't be surprised if he easily made code A . His level is up there with Stephano , Dimaga , Idra , Sen and Ret . I don't think he is worse then the 3 swedish players mentioned above .
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On January 30 2012 03:24 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 03:22 jj33 wrote:On January 30 2012 02:29 cyclone25 wrote:On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times. You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done). Just curious, do you get paid to defend the koreans so much in every thread? Nerchio 4-5 Jjakji (Code S champion). This match proves that there is no skill gap at the top level. End of story. If you want to prove that koreans dominate the foreigners go post it in threads where that happened, because this showmatch doesn't help your cause mate. Your bias is disgusting. So you take 1 showmatch, that really has no implications that was played online with lag and you think this proves there is no gap. YET, in code A qualifiers all the top foreigners that have tried so far have gotten stomped. Yea ok. You can tell from the showmatch, JJaki wasn't going 100%. Jjaki >>>>>> nerchio sorry. players like Puma, Bomber and DRG has also got stomped in code A qualifiers very many times before making it / haven't even made it yet (Puma T__T).
in the end they made it, it's stupid to say nercho is a code S superstar when not 1 foreigner has shown the level of dominance in code S like say MVP. Especially when very good players like thorzain failed in code A or how naniwa is what 1-10 in gsl?
let's actually wait for nerchio to get into code A and then code S (if he even attempts) before we call him a freaking code S superstar is my point.
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On January 30 2012 03:29 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 03:28 ShoWTimE94 wrote:On January 30 2012 03:25 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 30 2012 03:25 Choboo wrote:On January 30 2012 03:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times. You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done). Whoa whoa whoa. Nerchio is better than all those (highly) overrated players. nerchio better than Naniwa? LOL Naniwa is the most overrated foreigner in recent times. His PvZ is horrible stuff. Nerchio is far stronger all around. naniwa has horrible pvz? really? ever watched his stream? only because he has some troubles with allins and stuff like doesnt mean he has bad pvz. Everyone looks like a god on their stream, so your point is irrelevant. Tournaments are a whole different ballgame.
you judge his pvz skills based on some games where he got allined and lost. troll somewhere else dude.
i can remember him beating nestea and drg in an offline tournament. so... what exactly is your point?
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On January 30 2012 03:32 ShoWTimE94 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 03:29 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 30 2012 03:28 ShoWTimE94 wrote:On January 30 2012 03:25 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 30 2012 03:25 Choboo wrote:On January 30 2012 03:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times. You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done). Whoa whoa whoa. Nerchio is better than all those (highly) overrated players. nerchio better than Naniwa? LOL Naniwa is the most overrated foreigner in recent times. His PvZ is horrible stuff. Nerchio is far stronger all around. naniwa has horrible pvz? really? ever watched his stream? only because he has some troubles with allins and stuff like doesnt mean he has bad pvz. Everyone looks like a god on their stream, so your point is irrelevant. Tournaments are a whole different ballgame. you judge his pvz skills based on some games where he got allined and lost. troll somewhere else dude.
A great player does not consistently lose to the same strategies over and over again.
He also lacks flexibility in his compositions, is generally inflexible when it comes to his overall game plan, and never tries to control the momentum of a PvZ game.
Beating a slumping Nestea and a DRG who just threw up before the match with 2 base colossi all-ins is so impressive.
On January 30 2012 03:36 VirGin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 03:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times. You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done). Whoa whoa whoa. Nerchio is better than all those (highly) overrated players. Yes, at homestory cup 4 we saw that - unlike for instance Huk - Nerchio has no problems dealing with players such as MC. He has certainly proven his superiority.
At least Nerchio has not felt the shame of losing to HasuObs, Titan, and Seiplo. PvP's a real bitch, eh?
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On January 30 2012 03:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times. You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done). Whoa whoa whoa. Nerchio is better than all those (highly) overrated players.
Yes, at homestory cup 4 we saw that - unlike for instance Huk - Nerchio has no problems dealing with players such as MC. He has certainly proven his superiority.
Edit: haha ok I see that huk wasn't actually mentioned in the earlier post! Disregard me!
Granted, point is though, time and again people have hyped up this and that foreigner as "easily" code-a/s lvl and time and again they try and do not deliver.
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damn all the drama, stop arguing who's better
MLG winter is coming, lets see the result then
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On January 30 2012 03:31 raga4ka wrote:
Nerchio is one of the smartest foreign SC2 zergs . I personally wouldn't be surprised if he easily made code A . His level is up there with Stephano , Dimaga , Idra , Sen and Ret . I don't think he is worse then the 3 swedish players mentioned above .
I agree that Nerchio is very good. But easily get code A is just a guess? 
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On January 30 2012 03:32 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 03:24 Choboo wrote:On January 30 2012 03:22 jj33 wrote:On January 30 2012 02:29 cyclone25 wrote:On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times. You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done). Just curious, do you get paid to defend the koreans so much in every thread? Nerchio 4-5 Jjakji (Code S champion). This match proves that there is no skill gap at the top level. End of story. If you want to prove that koreans dominate the foreigners go post it in threads where that happened, because this showmatch doesn't help your cause mate. Your bias is disgusting. So you take 1 showmatch, that really has no implications that was played online with lag and you think this proves there is no gap. YET, in code A qualifiers all the top foreigners that have tried so far have gotten stomped. Yea ok. You can tell from the showmatch, JJaki wasn't going 100%. Jjaki >>>>>> nerchio sorry. players like Puma, Bomber and DRG has also got stomped in code A qualifiers very many times before making it / haven't even made it yet (Puma T__T). in the end they made it, it's stupid to say nercho is a code S superstar when not 1 foreigner has shown the level of dominance in code S like say MVP. Especially when very good players like thorzain failed in code A or how naniwa is what 1-10 in gsl? let's actually wait for nerchio to get into code A and then code S (if he even attempts) before we call him a freaking code S superstar is my point.
maybe naniwa will be code s champion in the end? we don't know yet since they have played code a so few times compared to koreans
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On January 30 2012 03:40 KicKDoG wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 03:31 raga4ka wrote:
Nerchio is one of the smartest foreign SC2 zergs . I personally wouldn't be surprised if he easily made code A . His level is up there with Stephano , Dimaga , Idra , Sen and Ret . I don't think he is worse then the 3 swedish players mentioned above . I agree that Nerchio is very good. But easily get code A is just a guess?
Well yeah . Geting in to code A depends a lot on luck whenever you get a hard group or an easier one , but he is a solid player and i think he can make it .
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On January 30 2012 02:29 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times. You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done). Just curious, do you get paid to defend the koreans so much in every thread? Nerchio 4-5 Jjakji (Code S champion). This match proves that there is no skill gap at the top level. End of story. If you want to prove that koreans dominate the foreigners go post it in threads where that happened, because this showmatch doesn't help your cause mate.
I find that more and more of these terrible opinions come from 2-3k+ posters - which is when i feel like post count (and thus tenure at TL) is slowly becoming completely meaningless.
You cannot say that Nerchio is Code A material from a showmatch played CROSS-SERVER. You just can't. NO foreigner has made into the "modern Code A" format on his own and won multiple series except for HuK, and even he received a free pass into GSL. He is less than Code A material. He's Code NOTHING material. He's just a really good foreigner. Don't try to extrapolate his successes from a EU environment into a Korean environment and claim that he would even do remotely well first thing upon landing.
Evidence is against you and any other Nerchio fanboy. I'm by no means a hater, and best of luck to the guy and his future ventures, but people spouting mindless praise just annoys me.
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