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Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
January 29 2012 18:57 GMT
#681
On January 30 2012 03:53 SwizzY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 02:29 cyclone25 wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched


Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner.



wut? he's easily Code A


No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times.

You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done).


Just curious, do you get paid to defend the koreans so much in every thread?

Nerchio 4-5 Jjakji (Code S champion). This match proves that there is no skill gap at the top level. End of story.

If you want to prove that koreans dominate the foreigners go post it in threads where that happened, because this showmatch doesn't help your cause mate.


I find that more and more of these terrible opinions come from 2-3k+ posters - which is when i feel like post count (and thus tenure at TL) is slowly becoming completely meaningless.
You cannot say that Nerchio is Code A material from a showmatch played CROSS-SERVER. You just can't. NO foreigner has made into the "modern Code A" format on his own and won multiple series except for HuK, and even he received a free pass into GSL. He is less than Code A material. He's Code NOTHING material. He's just a really good foreigner. Don't try to extrapolate his successes from a EU environment into a Korean environment and claim that he would even do remotely well first thing upon landing.
Evidence is against you and any other Nerchio fanboy. I'm by no means a hater, and best of luck to the guy and his future ventures, but people spouting mindless praise just annoys me.

you're a ~300 posts elitist fuck

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jkjk huk is a god
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Azuroz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1630 Posts
January 29 2012 19:08 GMT
#682
On January 30 2012 03:53 SwizzY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 02:29 cyclone25 wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched


Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner.



wut? he's easily Code A


No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times.

You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done).


Just curious, do you get paid to defend the koreans so much in every thread?

Nerchio 4-5 Jjakji (Code S champion). This match proves that there is no skill gap at the top level. End of story.

If you want to prove that koreans dominate the foreigners go post it in threads where that happened, because this showmatch doesn't help your cause mate.


I find that more and more of these terrible opinions come from 2-3k+ posters - which is when i feel like post count (and thus tenure at TL) is slowly becoming completely meaningless.


you because you voice your opinion more often (higher post count) doesnt make it any more sensible, the logic that you apply is just broken from the start.
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SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 19:14:58
January 29 2012 19:09 GMT
#683
On January 30 2012 03:57 Choboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 03:53 SwizzY wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:29 cyclone25 wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched


Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner.



wut? he's easily Code A


No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times.

You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done).


Just curious, do you get paid to defend the koreans so much in every thread?

Nerchio 4-5 Jjakji (Code S champion). This match proves that there is no skill gap at the top level. End of story.

If you want to prove that koreans dominate the foreigners go post it in threads where that happened, because this showmatch doesn't help your cause mate.


I find that more and more of these terrible opinions come from 2-3k+ posters - which is when i feel like post count (and thus tenure at TL) is slowly becoming completely meaningless.
You cannot say that Nerchio is Code A material from a showmatch played CROSS-SERVER. You just can't. NO foreigner has made into the "modern Code A" format on his own and won multiple series except for HuK, and even he received a free pass into GSL. He is less than Code A material. He's Code NOTHING material. He's just a really good foreigner. Don't try to extrapolate his successes from a EU environment into a Korean environment and claim that he would even do remotely well first thing upon landing.
Evidence is against you and any other Nerchio fanboy. I'm by no means a hater, and best of luck to the guy and his future ventures, but people spouting mindless praise just annoys me.

you're a ~300 posts elitist fuck

+ Show Spoiler +
jkjk huk is a god


Not to mention Nerchio just got rocked a second ago by Beastyqt in SCAN. That's how baseless most opinions are.
<3<3

On January 30 2012 04:08 Azuroz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 03:53 SwizzY wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:29 cyclone25 wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched


Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner.



+ Show Spoiler +
wut? he's easily Code A


No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times.

You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done).


Just curious, do you get paid to defend the koreans so much in every thread?

Nerchio 4-5 Jjakji (Code S champion). This match proves that there is no skill gap at the top level. End of story.

If you want to prove that koreans dominate the foreigners go post it in threads where that happened, because this showmatch doesn't help your cause mate.


I find that more and more of these terrible opinions come from 2-3k+ posters - which is when i feel like post count (and thus tenure at TL) is slowly becoming completely meaningless.


you because you voice your opinion more often (higher post count) doesnt make it any more sensible, the logic that you apply is just broken from the start.


So that makes my claim that extrapolated opinions should be reserved entirely until real results are actually shown is broken logic? My statement of meaningless post count comes from the fact that I see 1k-3k+ posters post biased or downright incorrect statements.
Senseless posters with high post counts very often get weeded out due to mods, which is why I have higher level of scrutiny towards users with higher post counts, as they often have things to say of higher quality than your ~50 post probe/scv/drone.
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
January 29 2012 19:12 GMT
#684
Stop freaking arguing, you're all a bunch of idiots.

Fact is, no one knows what the fuck Nerchio will do it he goes to Korea. Maybe he'll flop in Code B or maybe he'll win Code S without dropping a game, who knows? Personally I think given a few attempts I think he could qualify for Code A, but would never get past the ro.16. That's my opinion based on his level of play and other foreigner's results there.

Stop spouting bullshit like "code A ezpz", because we honestly don't know.
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mijagi182
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland797 Posts
January 29 2012 19:15 GMT
#685
On January 30 2012 04:09 SwizzY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 03:57 Choboo wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:53 SwizzY wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:29 cyclone25 wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched


Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner.



wut? he's easily Code A


No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times.

You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done).


Just curious, do you get paid to defend the koreans so much in every thread?

Nerchio 4-5 Jjakji (Code S champion). This match proves that there is no skill gap at the top level. End of story.

If you want to prove that koreans dominate the foreigners go post it in threads where that happened, because this showmatch doesn't help your cause mate.


I find that more and more of these terrible opinions come from 2-3k+ posters - which is when i feel like post count (and thus tenure at TL) is slowly becoming completely meaningless.
You cannot say that Nerchio is Code A material from a showmatch played CROSS-SERVER. You just can't. NO foreigner has made into the "modern Code A" format on his own and won multiple series except for HuK, and even he received a free pass into GSL. He is less than Code A material. He's Code NOTHING material. He's just a really good foreigner. Don't try to extrapolate his successes from a EU environment into a Korean environment and claim that he would even do remotely well first thing upon landing.
Evidence is against you and any other Nerchio fanboy. I'm by no means a hater, and best of luck to the guy and his future ventures, but people spouting mindless praise just annoys me.

you're a ~300 posts elitist fuck

+ Show Spoiler +
jkjk huk is a god


Not to mention Nerchio just got rocked a second ago by Beastyqt in SCAN. That's how baseless most opinions are.
<3<3


In online event, ur post is baseless
oh in the sun sun having fun
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 19:17:18
January 29 2012 19:16 GMT
#686
On January 30 2012 04:09 SwizzY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 03:57 Choboo wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:53 SwizzY wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:29 cyclone25 wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched


Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner.



wut? he's easily Code A


No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times.

You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done).


Just curious, do you get paid to defend the koreans so much in every thread?

Nerchio 4-5 Jjakji (Code S champion). This match proves that there is no skill gap at the top level. End of story.

If you want to prove that koreans dominate the foreigners go post it in threads where that happened, because this showmatch doesn't help your cause mate.


I find that more and more of these terrible opinions come from 2-3k+ posters - which is when i feel like post count (and thus tenure at TL) is slowly becoming completely meaningless.
You cannot say that Nerchio is Code A material from a showmatch played CROSS-SERVER. You just can't. NO foreigner has made into the "modern Code A" format on his own and won multiple series except for HuK, and even he received a free pass into GSL. He is less than Code A material. He's Code NOTHING material. He's just a really good foreigner. Don't try to extrapolate his successes from a EU environment into a Korean environment and claim that he would even do remotely well first thing upon landing.
Evidence is against you and any other Nerchio fanboy. I'm by no means a hater, and best of luck to the guy and his future ventures, but people spouting mindless praise just annoys me.

you're a ~300 posts elitist fuck

+ Show Spoiler +
jkjk huk is a god


Not to mention Nerchio just got rocked a second ago by Beastyqt in SCAN. That's how baseless most opinions are.
<3<3


Beastyqt is not exactly a bad player if you follow his progress . He is just under the radar most of the time and is one of the most underrated players in the foreign scene . Zenio was in Code-S and still lost to Kas , that doesn't automatically make him a bad player also . Results in the foreign scene are to unstable and you can't see who is better then who because koreans come and sweep the tournaments with them .
SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
January 29 2012 19:17 GMT
#687
On January 30 2012 04:15 mijagi182 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 04:09 SwizzY wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:57 Choboo wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:53 SwizzY wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:29 cyclone25 wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched


Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner.



wut? he's easily Code A


No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times.

You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done).


Just curious, do you get paid to defend the koreans so much in every thread?

Nerchio 4-5 Jjakji (Code S champion). This match proves that there is no skill gap at the top level. End of story.

If you want to prove that koreans dominate the foreigners go post it in threads where that happened, because this showmatch doesn't help your cause mate.


I find that more and more of these terrible opinions come from 2-3k+ posters - which is when i feel like post count (and thus tenure at TL) is slowly becoming completely meaningless.
You cannot say that Nerchio is Code A material from a showmatch played CROSS-SERVER. You just can't. NO foreigner has made into the "modern Code A" format on his own and won multiple series except for HuK, and even he received a free pass into GSL. He is less than Code A material. He's Code NOTHING material. He's just a really good foreigner. Don't try to extrapolate his successes from a EU environment into a Korean environment and claim that he would even do remotely well first thing upon landing.
Evidence is against you and any other Nerchio fanboy. I'm by no means a hater, and best of luck to the guy and his future ventures, but people spouting mindless praise just annoys me.

you're a ~300 posts elitist fuck

+ Show Spoiler +
jkjk huk is a god


Not to mention Nerchio just got rocked a second ago by Beastyqt in SCAN. That's how baseless most opinions are.
<3<3


In online event, ur post is baseless



My argument has to do with claims of EU pro becoming KR pro. SCAN is EU only?
I'll stop derailing thread though. <3
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
mijagi182
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland797 Posts
January 29 2012 19:18 GMT
#688
On January 30 2012 04:16 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 04:09 SwizzY wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:57 Choboo wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:53 SwizzY wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:29 cyclone25 wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched


Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner.



wut? he's easily Code A


No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times.

You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done).


Just curious, do you get paid to defend the koreans so much in every thread?

Nerchio 4-5 Jjakji (Code S champion). This match proves that there is no skill gap at the top level. End of story.

If you want to prove that koreans dominate the foreigners go post it in threads where that happened, because this showmatch doesn't help your cause mate.


I find that more and more of these terrible opinions come from 2-3k+ posters - which is when i feel like post count (and thus tenure at TL) is slowly becoming completely meaningless.
You cannot say that Nerchio is Code A material from a showmatch played CROSS-SERVER. You just can't. NO foreigner has made into the "modern Code A" format on his own and won multiple series except for HuK, and even he received a free pass into GSL. He is less than Code A material. He's Code NOTHING material. He's just a really good foreigner. Don't try to extrapolate his successes from a EU environment into a Korean environment and claim that he would even do remotely well first thing upon landing.
Evidence is against you and any other Nerchio fanboy. I'm by no means a hater, and best of luck to the guy and his future ventures, but people spouting mindless praise just annoys me.

you're a ~300 posts elitist fuck

+ Show Spoiler +
jkjk huk is a god


Not to mention Nerchio just got rocked a second ago by Beastyqt in SCAN. That's how baseless most opinions are.
<3<3


Beastyqt is not exactly a bad player if you follow his progress . He is just under the radar most of the time and is one of the most underrated players in the foreign scene . Zenio was in Code-S and still lost to Kas , that doesn't automatically make him a bad player also . Results in the foreign scene are to unstable and you can't see who is better then who because koreans come and sweep the tournaments with them .


also you could see that Nerchio "wasnt even trying" since he went muta on game 1
oh in the sun sun having fun
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
January 29 2012 19:20 GMT
#689
On January 30 2012 03:29 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 03:28 ShoWTimE94 wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:25 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:25 Choboo wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched


Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner.



wut? he's easily Code A


No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times.

You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done).


Whoa whoa whoa.

Nerchio is better than all those (highly) overrated players.

nerchio better than Naniwa? LOL


Naniwa is the most overrated foreigner in recent times. His PvZ is horrible stuff. Nerchio is far stronger all around.


naniwa has horrible pvz? really? ever watched his stream?
only because he has some troubles with allins and stuff like doesnt mean he has bad pvz.


Everyone looks like a god on their stream, so your point is irrelevant. Tournaments are a whole different ballgame.

Some troubles with all-ins? He literally rolls over and dies to zerg all-ins in every tournament.


What? Since when does everyone look like a god on their stream? watch Naniwa and you'll see him roflstomp through top koreans on ladder. Even Day9 watched Naniwa's stream once and was in disbelief at the micro he showed in one of his games. Zenio's not even a bad player, only in ZvT, so I'm not sure what your point was there
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mijagi182
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland797 Posts
January 29 2012 19:23 GMT
#690
On January 30 2012 04:17 SwizzY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 04:15 mijagi182 wrote:
On January 30 2012 04:09 SwizzY wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:57 Choboo wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:53 SwizzY wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:29 cyclone25 wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched


Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner.



wut? he's easily Code A


No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times.

You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done).


Just curious, do you get paid to defend the koreans so much in every thread?

Nerchio 4-5 Jjakji (Code S champion). This match proves that there is no skill gap at the top level. End of story.

If you want to prove that koreans dominate the foreigners go post it in threads where that happened, because this showmatch doesn't help your cause mate.


I find that more and more of these terrible opinions come from 2-3k+ posters - which is when i feel like post count (and thus tenure at TL) is slowly becoming completely meaningless.
You cannot say that Nerchio is Code A material from a showmatch played CROSS-SERVER. You just can't. NO foreigner has made into the "modern Code A" format on his own and won multiple series except for HuK, and even he received a free pass into GSL. He is less than Code A material. He's Code NOTHING material. He's just a really good foreigner. Don't try to extrapolate his successes from a EU environment into a Korean environment and claim that he would even do remotely well first thing upon landing.
Evidence is against you and any other Nerchio fanboy. I'm by no means a hater, and best of luck to the guy and his future ventures, but people spouting mindless praise just annoys me.

you're a ~300 posts elitist fuck

+ Show Spoiler +
jkjk huk is a god


Not to mention Nerchio just got rocked a second ago by Beastyqt in SCAN. That's how baseless most opinions are.
<3<3


In online event, ur post is baseless



My argument has to do with claims of EU pro becoming KR pro. SCAN is EU only?
I'll stop derailing thread though. <3


oh, I thought on-line event is an on-line event no matter the lag issues :> For example, on IPL2 nerchio playing from EU on NA server 3-0d IdrA. Then his (IdrA) fanbase was bringing "on-line event" case even though Nerchio was disadvanteged...
oh in the sun sun having fun
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
January 29 2012 19:23 GMT
#691
On January 30 2012 04:20 MasterKang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 03:29 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:28 ShoWTimE94 wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:25 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:25 Choboo wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched


Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner.



wut? he's easily Code A


No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times.

You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done).


Whoa whoa whoa.

Nerchio is better than all those (highly) overrated players.

nerchio better than Naniwa? LOL


Naniwa is the most overrated foreigner in recent times. His PvZ is horrible stuff. Nerchio is far stronger all around.


naniwa has horrible pvz? really? ever watched his stream?
only because he has some troubles with allins and stuff like doesnt mean he has bad pvz.


Everyone looks like a god on their stream, so your point is irrelevant. Tournaments are a whole different ballgame.

Some troubles with all-ins? He literally rolls over and dies to zerg all-ins in every tournament.


What? Since when does everyone look like a god on their stream? watch Naniwa and you'll see him roflstomp through top koreans on ladder. Even Day9 watched Naniwa's stream once and was in disbelief at the micro he showed in one of his games. Zenio's not even a bad player, only in ZvT, so I'm not sure what your point was there


NaNi's stream makes me fall in love with this game. His play really is awesome.
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cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
January 29 2012 19:33 GMT
#692
On January 30 2012 03:53 SwizzY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 02:29 cyclone25 wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched


Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner.



wut? he's easily Code A


No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times.

You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done).


Just curious, do you get paid to defend the koreans so much in every thread?

Nerchio 4-5 Jjakji (Code S champion). This match proves that there is no skill gap at the top level. End of story.

If you want to prove that koreans dominate the foreigners go post it in threads where that happened, because this showmatch doesn't help your cause mate.


I find that more and more of these terrible opinions come from 2-3k+ posters - which is when i feel like post count (and thus tenure at TL) is slowly becoming completely meaningless.
You cannot say that Nerchio is Code A material from a showmatch played CROSS-SERVER. You just can't. NO foreigner has made into the "modern Code A" format on his own and won multiple series except for HuK, and even he received a free pass into GSL. He is less than Code A material. He's Code NOTHING material. He's just a really good foreigner. Don't try to extrapolate his successes from a EU environment into a Korean environment and claim that he would even do remotely well first thing upon landing.
Evidence is against you and any other Nerchio fanboy. I'm by no means a hater, and best of luck to the guy and his future ventures, but people spouting mindless praise just annoys me.


How do you know what latency each player had? You don't. Poland to US is a big distance too.

I can't argue with posters like you when this is a lose-lose situation for Nerchio.
If he lost 0-4 then you will be all over this thread laughing at how terrible foreigners are compared to koreans.
If he takes it to a game 9 or wins, you come with all sort of excuses.
5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 19:37:41
January 29 2012 19:34 GMT
#693
WTF people?!?

List me 5 amateur players that are as good as Nerchio is. He's fucking studying!

About the gap between foreigners and Koreans; it exists, but, as Nerchio and many other EU players proves that it's not that big as people are imagining.

As for Code A/S, we don't know how Nerchio would perform, since he isn't full pro and judging by other foreigner's performance his chances might be slim, however we haven't seen his full potential so Nerchio could as well win Code S easily.

The only way to know is if Nerchio gives up his studies and goes to Korea playing fulltime.
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See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
January 29 2012 19:38 GMT
#694
On January 30 2012 04:15 mijagi182 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 04:09 SwizzY wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:57 Choboo wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:53 SwizzY wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:29 cyclone25 wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched


Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner.



wut? he's easily Code A


No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times.

You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done).


Just curious, do you get paid to defend the koreans so much in every thread?

Nerchio 4-5 Jjakji (Code S champion). This match proves that there is no skill gap at the top level. End of story.

If you want to prove that koreans dominate the foreigners go post it in threads where that happened, because this showmatch doesn't help your cause mate.


I find that more and more of these terrible opinions come from 2-3k+ posters - which is when i feel like post count (and thus tenure at TL) is slowly becoming completely meaningless.
You cannot say that Nerchio is Code A material from a showmatch played CROSS-SERVER. You just can't. NO foreigner has made into the "modern Code A" format on his own and won multiple series except for HuK, and even he received a free pass into GSL. He is less than Code A material. He's Code NOTHING material. He's just a really good foreigner. Don't try to extrapolate his successes from a EU environment into a Korean environment and claim that he would even do remotely well first thing upon landing.
Evidence is against you and any other Nerchio fanboy. I'm by no means a hater, and best of luck to the guy and his future ventures, but people spouting mindless praise just annoys me.

you're a ~300 posts elitist fuck

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jkjk huk is a god


Not to mention Nerchio just got rocked a second ago by Beastyqt in SCAN. That's how baseless most opinions are.
<3<3


In online event, ur post is baseless


Right but no code A player would have lost in it. Nerchio is def good, for EU server, but saying he's code A is just plain silly now. The competition is so much fiercer in Korea its astounding, and I wouldn't at all be surprised if jjakji didnt prepare at all for this, compared to something like GSL. Props to nerchio for keeping it as close as he did, but saying he's ready to roll with the big boys just because he didn't get completely curbstomped by jjakji's a little premature....
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 19:40:20
January 29 2012 19:38 GMT
#695
On January 30 2012 04:34 5ukkub wrote:
WTF people?!?

List me 5 amateur players that are as good as Nerchio is. He's fucking studying!

About the gap between foreigners and Koreans; it exists, but, as Nerchio and many other EU players proves that it's not that big as people are imagining.

As for Code A/S, we don't know how Nerchio would perform, since he isn't full pro and judging by other foreigner's performance his chances might be slim, however we haven't seen his full potential so Nerchio could as well win Code S easily.

The only way to know is if Nerchio gives up his studies and goes to Korea playing fulltime.


Well foreigners have always done well vs korean's in online events. Then it comes to offline events and whether to nerves no latency or whatever most of the time they get smashed by the korean. Its hard to judge how good a player is in an online event. But people will always be ready to hop the bandwagon of the "there is no skill gap" then when that same player plays a "worse" korean in a live event and loses badly I mean yeah...

I did enjoy this series was fun to watch. Watching nerchio go muta's though made me cry because he had bad control over them but its possible it was just a bad game or he just doesn't go mutalisks enough and it showed. I disliked his heavy roach play but it seemed to work out for him for the most part but he seemed to lose whenever he went ultra's and won when he went broodlords :D.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 19:52:18
January 29 2012 19:46 GMT
#696
On January 30 2012 04:20 MasterKang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 03:29 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:28 ShoWTimE94 wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:25 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:25 Choboo wrote:
On January 30 2012 03:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched


Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner.



wut? he's easily Code A


No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times.

You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done).


Whoa whoa whoa.

Nerchio is better than all those (highly) overrated players.

nerchio better than Naniwa? LOL


Naniwa is the most overrated foreigner in recent times. His PvZ is horrible stuff. Nerchio is far stronger all around.


naniwa has horrible pvz? really? ever watched his stream?
only because he has some troubles with allins and stuff like doesnt mean he has bad pvz.


Everyone looks like a god on their stream, so your point is irrelevant. Tournaments are a whole different ballgame.

Some troubles with all-ins? He literally rolls over and dies to zerg all-ins in every tournament.


What? Since when does everyone look like a god on their stream? watch Naniwa and you'll see him roflstomp through top koreans on ladder. Even Day9 watched Naniwa's stream once and was in disbelief at the micro he showed in one of his games. Zenio's not even a bad player, only in ZvT, so I'm not sure what your point was there


Exactly. He can roflstomp through top koreans on ladder, but his actual performance in Korean tournaments is severely lacking. He can look so good on ladder because there is no pressure and none of the strategy usually involved in a BoX. And Naniwa is extremely good when he's not crippled by his own prejudices. His play has significant weaknesses though.

Alive and Parting are ladder gods as well, but it took Parting months to actually qualify for Code A and get into Code S. Squirtle is a ladder god and a team league god but crumbles in the Up-and-Downs due to nerves. Same applies to Taeja.

Zenio is the worst ZvP player in Korea.
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Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
January 29 2012 19:47 GMT
#697
On January 30 2012 02:29 cyclone25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched


Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner.



wut? he's easily Code A


No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times.

You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done).


Just curious, do you get paid to defend the koreans so much in every thread?

Nerchio 4-5 Jjakji (Code S champion). This match proves that there is no skill gap at the top level. End of story.

If you want to prove that koreans dominate the foreigners go post it in threads where that happened, because this showmatch doesn't help your cause mate.

ROFLLLL. This has to be trolling. Right?
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 29 2012 19:51 GMT
#698
Hello everyon---What happened in this thread?! How did we go from IPL Fight Club (Nerchio vs Jjakji) to how good Naniwa's PvZ is?
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Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
January 29 2012 19:53 GMT
#699
Why so much arguing in this thread? The series was good. Nerchio is a good player, we all know that, but throwing around baseless statements about how he can be in code s is exactly that; baseless. We won't know until he tries.

The series was bloody amazing though. Thanks IPL.
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mijagi182
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland797 Posts
January 29 2012 19:55 GMT
#700
On January 30 2012 04:38 blade55555 wrote:
I did enjoy this series was fun to watch. Watching nerchio go muta's though made me cry because he had bad control over them


lag

anyway nerchio almost never goes Muta and he hates banelings (never does bane speed) so its no secret he isnt master of the style, and you better be one when facing GSL champ...
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