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On January 30 2012 00:44 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 23:02 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 22:21 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 21:55 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 20:12 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 20:11 Choboo wrote:
wow second best korean in the world vs nerchio only 5-4 I'm impressed! wasnt aware that Nerchio was playing MMA. mma is #1 lmao then what the heck's that make mvp? I'm sorry but MVP is not near MMA in neither achievements (since recent GSL titles are way harder to get than at the time MVP won) nor skill-level but maybe he's #2 but I still think Jjakji plays better than MVP recently For reference: MMA vs MVPThat and out of the last 3 GSL competitions MMA won 2 of them You really do talk some crap. MVP has won 3 GSL's, Blizzcon, MLG Anaheim, WCG. He's also made the finals of a GSL, and the semi finals of two other GSL's and the final of a Code A. MVP is easilly the best player in the world. Jjakji on the other hand has won one GSL, ever. That is it. Jjakji's isn't even in the worlds top 5 best players. He's behind MVP, MMA, DRG, Nestea, Leenock and MC. One tournament does make you the best player in the world. I like Jjakji and his play but he got so unbelievable lucky with his bracket last Code S. He dodged most of the worlds best players except for MVP (who he lost to) and Leenock and got a free pass through the second group stage because of the Coca drama. He barely beat Oz (a good up and comer but not an absolutely top player) and then beat Leenock in the final. Aside from the Nestea win where he dodged every Terran except Ensnare it was the easiest ever path to winning Code S ever. Even in this season he drew two of the worst players in Code S (other candidates include Yugioh, Zenio and Idra) in Boxer and Sen and then almost lost to Boxer anyway while Ganzi completely stomped him. Jangbi is not BW's best Protoss, Stephano was never the worlds best Zerg and Thorzain was never the worlds best Terran. You need consistency over several months and multiple achievements to reach that level, you also need to beat the other best players around. The only other players Jjakji has beaten in the top six is Leenock.
While I agree that his road to championship was comparatively easy, I will also say that considering Leenock and MC above Jjakji in a Top X is somewhat arbitrary. Leenock could be as a one-hit-wonder as Jjakji, and it is still unclear to me whether MC deserves to be called among the very best after his slump.
That said, I think that one of the best testament to Jjakji's effective skill is that he had been among the very last players to be picked in his code S runs. This will change now, as his relatively weak TvT will make him a good target for strong mirror-matchers, but he still has the skill and capability to prove himself after the group stages: the way he played against Leenock seemed to suggest that he is a player capable of strategy and planning, which is a very good skill in the GSL and arguably one of the strengths that allowed MMA to succeed so much.
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On January 30 2012 01:05 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:44 Seraphone wrote:On January 29 2012 23:02 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 22:21 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 21:55 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 20:12 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 20:11 Choboo wrote:
wow second best korean in the world vs nerchio only 5-4 I'm impressed! wasnt aware that Nerchio was playing MMA. mma is #1 lmao then what the heck's that make mvp? I'm sorry but MVP is not near MMA in neither achievements (since recent GSL titles are way harder to get than at the time MVP won) nor skill-level but maybe he's #2 but I still think Jjakji plays better than MVP recently For reference: MMA vs MVPThat and out of the last 3 GSL competitions MMA won 2 of them You really do talk some crap. MVP has won 3 GSL's, Blizzcon, MLG Anaheim, WCG. He's also made the finals of a GSL, and the semi finals of two other GSL's and the final of a Code A. MVP is easilly the best player in the world. Jjakji on the other hand has won one GSL, ever. That is it. Jjakji's isn't even in the worlds top 5 best players. He's behind MVP, MMA, DRG, Nestea, Leenock and MC. One tournament does make you the best player in the world. I like Jjakji and his play but he got so unbelievable lucky with his bracket last Code S. He dodged most of the worlds best players except for MVP (who he lost to) and Leenock and got a free pass through the second group stage because of the Coca drama. He barely beat Oz (a good up and comer but not an absolutely top player) and then beat Leenock in the final. Aside from the Nestea win where he dodged every Terran except Ensnare it was the easiest ever path to winning Code S ever. Even in this season he drew two of the worst players in Code S (other candidates include Yugioh, Zenio and Idra) in Boxer and Sen and then almost lost to Boxer anyway while Ganzi completely stomped him. Jangbi is not BW's best Protoss, Stephano was never the worlds best Zerg and Thorzain was never the worlds best Terran. You need consistency over several months and multiple achievements to reach that level, you also need to beat the other best players around. The only other players Jjakji has beaten in the top six is Leenock. While I agree that his road to championship was comparatively easy, I will also say that considering Leenock and MC above Jjakji in a Top X is somewhat arbitrary. Leenock could be as a one-hit-wonder as Jjakji, and it is still unclear to me whether MC deserves to be called among the very best after his slump. That said, I think that one of the best testament to Jjakji's effective skill is that he had been among the very last players to be picked in his code S runs. This will change now, as his relatively weak TvT will make him a good target for strong mirror-matchers, but he still has the skill and capability to prove himself after the group stages: the way he played against Leenock seemed to suggest that he is a player capable of strategy and planning, which is a very good skill in the GSL and arguably one of the strengths that allowed MMA to succeed so much.
Leenock has a Code S final and his Providence win in his favour. He's also been in and around Code S for much longer than Jjakji. Leenock has also beaten MMA in a ZvT bo3 and MVP in both a bo3 and bo5. He's beaten DRG in a ZvZ best of 7 and Nestea in a ZvZ bo1. Leenock doesn't have MVP or MMA's depth of results but he's placed better in more tournaments and beaten of the other guys around him in BoX series. Where as Jjakji's doesn't have that depth and has largely dodged all the other top players.
MC is ahead of Jjakji by virtue of being consistantly good for such a long period of time as well as having won major tournaments. It's a long time since he won a Code S sure but I'd place his endless stream of top 3 finishes across Korea and the world ahead of literally one Code S win ever and nothing else. MC has again also beaten all of those around him except for Nestea and DRG.
Jjakji is a really good player don't get me wrong and if he places Ro4 or better in this GSL and makes something happen at an MLG/Assembly etc.. then he can quickly move up to the top positions, but he still has quite a bit to prove.
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On January 30 2012 01:15 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:05 WigglingSquid wrote:On January 30 2012 00:44 Seraphone wrote:On January 29 2012 23:02 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 22:21 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 21:55 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 20:12 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 20:11 Choboo wrote:
wow second best korean in the world vs nerchio only 5-4 I'm impressed! wasnt aware that Nerchio was playing MMA. mma is #1 lmao then what the heck's that make mvp? I'm sorry but MVP is not near MMA in neither achievements (since recent GSL titles are way harder to get than at the time MVP won) nor skill-level but maybe he's #2 but I still think Jjakji plays better than MVP recently For reference: MMA vs MVPThat and out of the last 3 GSL competitions MMA won 2 of them You really do talk some crap. MVP has won 3 GSL's, Blizzcon, MLG Anaheim, WCG. He's also made the finals of a GSL, and the semi finals of two other GSL's and the final of a Code A. MVP is easilly the best player in the world. Jjakji on the other hand has won one GSL, ever. That is it. Jjakji's isn't even in the worlds top 5 best players. He's behind MVP, MMA, DRG, Nestea, Leenock and MC. One tournament does make you the best player in the world. I like Jjakji and his play but he got so unbelievable lucky with his bracket last Code S. He dodged most of the worlds best players except for MVP (who he lost to) and Leenock and got a free pass through the second group stage because of the Coca drama. He barely beat Oz (a good up and comer but not an absolutely top player) and then beat Leenock in the final. Aside from the Nestea win where he dodged every Terran except Ensnare it was the easiest ever path to winning Code S ever. Even in this season he drew two of the worst players in Code S (other candidates include Yugioh, Zenio and Idra) in Boxer and Sen and then almost lost to Boxer anyway while Ganzi completely stomped him. Jangbi is not BW's best Protoss, Stephano was never the worlds best Zerg and Thorzain was never the worlds best Terran. You need consistency over several months and multiple achievements to reach that level, you also need to beat the other best players around. The only other players Jjakji has beaten in the top six is Leenock. While I agree that his road to championship was comparatively easy, I will also say that considering Leenock and MC above Jjakji in a Top X is somewhat arbitrary. Leenock could be as a one-hit-wonder as Jjakji, and it is still unclear to me whether MC deserves to be called among the very best after his slump. That said, I think that one of the best testament to Jjakji's effective skill is that he had been among the very last players to be picked in his code S runs. This will change now, as his relatively weak TvT will make him a good target for strong mirror-matchers, but he still has the skill and capability to prove himself after the group stages: the way he played against Leenock seemed to suggest that he is a player capable of strategy and planning, which is a very good skill in the GSL and arguably one of the strengths that allowed MMA to succeed so much. Leenock has a Code S final and his Providence win in his favour. He's also been in and around Code S for much longer than Jjakji. Leenock has also beaten MMA in a ZvT bo3 and MVP in both a bo3 and bo5. He's beaten DRG in a ZvZ best of 7 and Nestea in a ZvZ bo1. Leenock doesn't have MVP or MMA's depth of results but he's placed better in more tournaments and beaten of the other guys around him in BoX series. Where as Jjakji's doesn't have that depth and has largely dodged all the other top players. MC is ahead of Jjakji by virtue of being consistantly good for such a long period of time as well as having won major tournaments. It's a long time since he won a Code S sure but I'd place his endless stream of top 3 finishes across Korea and the world ahead of literally one Code S win ever and nothing else. MC has again also beaten all of those around him except for Nestea and DRG. Jjakji is a really good player don't get me wrong and if he places Ro4 or better in this GSL and makes something happen at an MLG/Assembly etc.. then he can quickly move up to the top positions, but he still has quite a bit to prove.
Result-wise, you are absolutely right. (I thought that Leenock had lost some unremarkable games recently, but I can't find the results; that would mean that I simply recalled wrong.) What I find difficult, or unfair, is to rank players' absolute skill on account of hard scores which can be very sparse on a timeline, and include tournaments with different formats that can favour certain skillsets and players to a limited, but not insignificant, extent. Edit: even the respective team's financial ability of sending out a member to a foreign event can skew this kind of comparisons.
Largely, mine is merely a semantic pedantry, though.
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On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner.
wut? he's easily Code A
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On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A
Stop saying this. No one is Code A/Code S until they actually go there. Every "gosu crushes top koreans" foreigner we've seen go to Korea recently has struck out in the first or second round of Code A
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On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A
No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times.
You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done).
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Amazing series, i thought Nerchio would take it in the first 3 games. Jjakji blew my mind, his TvZ is rock solid.
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On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times. You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done).
Just curious, do you get paid to defend the koreans so much in every thread?
Nerchio 4-5 Jjakji (Code S champion). This match proves that there is no skill gap at the top level. End of story.
If you want to prove that koreans dominate the foreigners go post it in threads where that happened, because this showmatch doesn't help your cause mate.
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On January 30 2012 02:17 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A Stop saying this. No one is Code A/Code S until they actually go there. Every "gosu crushes top koreans" foreigner we've seen go to Korea recently has struck out in the first or second round of Code A
Pretty much. Nerchio is a good player, but taking games off a top player in an online, cross-server showmatch and having consistent success in the GSL are two very different things.
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On January 29 2012 16:10 jjhchsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 15:55 Kiarip wrote:On January 29 2012 15:39 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 15:28 Kiarip wrote:On January 29 2012 15:28 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 29 2012 15:25 Kiarip wrote:On January 29 2012 15:17 jj33 wrote:On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player. no he's not. he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so... I think it's a little early to be making statements like that. Sure, he looked good today but I've also seen him humiliated by players like Whitera fairly recently. ??? Nerchio has been showing very good results consistently against some koreans too... he's been around for a pretty long time, top3 zerg in Europe. And what notable series victories does he have over top Koreans? . . . Exactly. He's a top foreigner, but calling him a top in the world is ridiculous and baseless what are the top korean zergs right now? nestea drg leenock and curious? ok all the other ones are no better than foreign top zergs... He's beaten hero and violet according to tlpd... top foreigner isn't that far from top korean Lol yes they are.... Look at HuK, IdrA, Stephano, SaSe, NaNiwa. all of them in code A/B. That is very FAR from top koreans which i assume you are talking about Top 20 Code S
Sorry my friend but you have your stats all wrong.
Idra is code S
Huk is code S
Stephano doesnt play in GSL at all he never tried to
Naniwa is former code S and was kicked out for his probe rushing antics
SaSe im not sure never checked 
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On January 30 2012 03:02 Ragnarok123 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 16:10 jjhchsc2 wrote:On January 29 2012 15:55 Kiarip wrote:On January 29 2012 15:39 1Eris1 wrote:On January 29 2012 15:28 Kiarip wrote:On January 29 2012 15:28 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 29 2012 15:25 Kiarip wrote:On January 29 2012 15:17 jj33 wrote:On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player. no he's not. he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so... I think it's a little early to be making statements like that. Sure, he looked good today but I've also seen him humiliated by players like Whitera fairly recently. ??? Nerchio has been showing very good results consistently against some koreans too... he's been around for a pretty long time, top3 zerg in Europe. And what notable series victories does he have over top Koreans? . . . Exactly. He's a top foreigner, but calling him a top in the world is ridiculous and baseless what are the top korean zergs right now? nestea drg leenock and curious? ok all the other ones are no better than foreign top zergs... He's beaten hero and violet according to tlpd... top foreigner isn't that far from top korean Lol yes they are.... Look at HuK, IdrA, Stephano, SaSe, NaNiwa. all of them in code A/B. That is very FAR from top koreans which i assume you are talking about Top 20 Code S Sorry my friend but you have your stats all wrong. Idra is code S Huk is code S Stephano doesnt play in GSL at all he never tried to Naniwa is former code S and was kicked out for his probe rushing antics SaSe im not sure never checked
Wow, do you actually know what you're talking about?
- IdrA and HuK aren't Code S anymore (and since they'll probably face each other in Code A, only one of them could get back in Code S).
- Naniwa has never been in Code S and was given a spot.
- SaSe is code A.
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Jjakji is not playing seriously. He knows the meta-game quite well and understands its viability. He is not taking these games seriously.
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Missed this the first time so watching the replay... gotta say Nerchio's roach drop play is very entertaining, it's like playing Terran  I would assume it only works vs. pure mech though.
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On January 30 2012 03:12 bootyclapthunder wrote:
Jjakji is not playing seriously. He knows the meta-game quite well and understands its viability. He is not taking these games seriously.
You must be friend with Jjakji to know such a thing, right?
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On January 30 2012 03:12 bootyclapthunder wrote:
Jjakji is not playing seriously. He knows the meta-game quite well and understands its viability. He is not taking these games seriously.
cool story bro thx for stopping by
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On January 30 2012 00:44 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 23:02 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 22:21 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 21:55 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 20:12 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 20:11 Choboo wrote:
wow second best korean in the world vs nerchio only 5-4 I'm impressed! wasnt aware that Nerchio was playing MMA. mma is #1 lmao then what the heck's that make mvp? I'm sorry but MVP is not near MMA in neither achievements (since recent GSL titles are way harder to get than at the time MVP won) nor skill-level but maybe he's #2 but I still think Jjakji plays better than MVP recently For reference: MMA vs MVPThat and out of the last 3 GSL competitions MMA won 2 of them You really do talk some crap. MVP has won 3 GSL's, Blizzcon, MLG Anaheim, WCG. He's also made the finals of a GSL, and the semi finals of two other GSL's and the final of a Code A. MVP is easilly the best player in the world. Jjakji on the other hand has won one GSL, ever. That is it. Jjakji's isn't even in the worlds top 5 best players. He's behind MVP, MMA, DRG, Nestea, Leenock and MC. One tournament does make you the best player in the world. I like Jjakji and his play but he got so unbelievable lucky with his bracket last Code S. He dodged most of the worlds best players except for MVP (who he lost to) and Leenock and got a free pass through the second group stage because of the Coca drama. He barely beat Oz (a good up and comer but not an absolutely top player) and then beat Leenock in the final. Aside from the Nestea win where he dodged every Terran except Ensnare it was the easiest ever path to winning Code S ever. Even in this season he drew two of the worst players in Code S (other candidates include Yugioh, Zenio and Idra) in Boxer and Sen and then almost lost to Boxer anyway while Ganzi completely stomped him. Jangbi is not BW's best Protoss, Stephano was never the worlds best Zerg and Thorzain was never the worlds best Terran. You need consistency over several months and multiple achievements to reach that level, you also need to beat the other best players around. The only other players Jjakji has beaten in the top six is Leenock.
I never claimed that Jjakji has better results than MVP, just that I THINK that he is playing better than MVP RECENTLY. I guess we'll see in GSL January though...
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On January 30 2012 02:29 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times. You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done). Just curious, do you get paid to defend the koreans so much in every thread? Nerchio 4-5 Jjakji (Code S champion). This match proves that there is no skill gap at the top level. End of story. If you want to prove that koreans dominate the foreigners go post it in threads where that happened, because this showmatch doesn't help your cause mate.
Your bias is disgusting.
So you take 1 showmatch, that really has no implications that was played online with lag and you think this proves there is no gap.
YET, in code A qualifiers all the top foreigners that have tried so far have gotten stomped.
Yea ok.
You can tell from the showmatch, JJaki wasn't going 100%. Jjaki >>>>>> nerchio sorry.
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On January 30 2012 01:26 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:15 Seraphone wrote:On January 30 2012 01:05 WigglingSquid wrote:On January 30 2012 00:44 Seraphone wrote:On January 29 2012 23:02 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 22:21 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 21:55 Choboo wrote:On January 29 2012 20:12 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 20:11 Choboo wrote:
wow second best korean in the world vs nerchio only 5-4 I'm impressed! wasnt aware that Nerchio was playing MMA. mma is #1 lmao then what the heck's that make mvp? I'm sorry but MVP is not near MMA in neither achievements (since recent GSL titles are way harder to get than at the time MVP won) nor skill-level but maybe he's #2 but I still think Jjakji plays better than MVP recently For reference: MMA vs MVPThat and out of the last 3 GSL competitions MMA won 2 of them You really do talk some crap. MVP has won 3 GSL's, Blizzcon, MLG Anaheim, WCG. He's also made the finals of a GSL, and the semi finals of two other GSL's and the final of a Code A. MVP is easilly the best player in the world. Jjakji on the other hand has won one GSL, ever. That is it. Jjakji's isn't even in the worlds top 5 best players. He's behind MVP, MMA, DRG, Nestea, Leenock and MC. One tournament does make you the best player in the world. I like Jjakji and his play but he got so unbelievable lucky with his bracket last Code S. He dodged most of the worlds best players except for MVP (who he lost to) and Leenock and got a free pass through the second group stage because of the Coca drama. He barely beat Oz (a good up and comer but not an absolutely top player) and then beat Leenock in the final. Aside from the Nestea win where he dodged every Terran except Ensnare it was the easiest ever path to winning Code S ever. Even in this season he drew two of the worst players in Code S (other candidates include Yugioh, Zenio and Idra) in Boxer and Sen and then almost lost to Boxer anyway while Ganzi completely stomped him. Jangbi is not BW's best Protoss, Stephano was never the worlds best Zerg and Thorzain was never the worlds best Terran. You need consistency over several months and multiple achievements to reach that level, you also need to beat the other best players around. The only other players Jjakji has beaten in the top six is Leenock. While I agree that his road to championship was comparatively easy, I will also say that considering Leenock and MC above Jjakji in a Top X is somewhat arbitrary. Leenock could be as a one-hit-wonder as Jjakji, and it is still unclear to me whether MC deserves to be called among the very best after his slump. That said, I think that one of the best testament to Jjakji's effective skill is that he had been among the very last players to be picked in his code S runs. This will change now, as his relatively weak TvT will make him a good target for strong mirror-matchers, but he still has the skill and capability to prove himself after the group stages: the way he played against Leenock seemed to suggest that he is a player capable of strategy and planning, which is a very good skill in the GSL and arguably one of the strengths that allowed MMA to succeed so much. Leenock has a Code S final and his Providence win in his favour. He's also been in and around Code S for much longer than Jjakji. Leenock has also beaten MMA in a ZvT bo3 and MVP in both a bo3 and bo5. He's beaten DRG in a ZvZ best of 7 and Nestea in a ZvZ bo1. Leenock doesn't have MVP or MMA's depth of results but he's placed better in more tournaments and beaten of the other guys around him in BoX series. Where as Jjakji's doesn't have that depth and has largely dodged all the other top players. MC is ahead of Jjakji by virtue of being consistantly good for such a long period of time as well as having won major tournaments. It's a long time since he won a Code S sure but I'd place his endless stream of top 3 finishes across Korea and the world ahead of literally one Code S win ever and nothing else. MC has again also beaten all of those around him except for Nestea and DRG. Jjakji is a really good player don't get me wrong and if he places Ro4 or better in this GSL and makes something happen at an MLG/Assembly etc.. then he can quickly move up to the top positions, but he still has quite a bit to prove. Result-wise, you are absolutely right. (I thought that Leenock had lost some unremarkable games recently, but I can't find the results; that would mean that I simply recalled wrong.) What I find difficult, or unfair, is to rank players' absolute skill on account of hard scores which can be very sparse on a timeline, and include tournaments with different formats that can favour certain skillsets and players to a limited, but not insignificant, extent. Edit: even the respective team's financial ability of sending out a member to a foreign event can skew this kind of comparisons. Largely, mine is merely a semantic pedantry, though.
Beaten by Illusion 2-0 in KSL.
Beaten by July 2-1 in FXO Invitational.
Beaten by True 2-0 in KSL.
Beaten by DreamerTT in KSL Team League.
He's had some unimpressive losses outside of GSL, but so has everyone else.
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1) Player x not playing seriously;
2) Cross-server lag;
3) Played at unreasonable hours.
I read these a lot in showmatches threads. If they are true, it means these showmatches are "hurting" eSports.
I think this would make for an interesting topic to discuss.
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On January 30 2012 02:19 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 02:02 Pulimuli wrote:On January 29 2012 16:54 xrapture wrote:On January 29 2012 16:51 HQuality wrote:
well this two are very equally matched Jjakji is a GSL Code S championship. How does playing on a laggy KR - EU connection and still winning say they are equally matched. Nerchio isn't even Code A material man, same as every other foreigner. wut? he's easily Code A No he's not. He's worse than Thorzain, Sase and Naniwa who were all stomped in Code A in some cases multiple times. You're Code A material when you actually go to Korea and win multiple series in Code A or better yet actually qualify (something no foreigner has ever done).
Whoa whoa whoa.
Nerchio is better than all those (highly) overrated players.
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