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vileChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada525 Posts
January 26 2012 02:15 GMT
#181
On January 26 2012 11:05 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 10:59 tree.hugger wrote:
I know how good GuMiho is, so it's hard to be even more impressed with him, but I really like what I saw from ChAnCe there.


I actually wasn't that impressed by Chance there, he made some massive misplayed and really threw that game hard. Getting a lead early can sometimes be chancy but maintaining that into a win is what counts in the end, he really really threw away the lead he got early and his overall play that game was a little disappointing. It may be because he choked, but I just saw a lot of really wonky play that game and a lot of questionable decision making.

Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 11:05 Whomp wrote:
This is vile.Chance and I want to explain a couple things about that game. The biggest issue was was a week prior to this I had went from using the backspace method of injecting to using camera locations, however I use a really complex system of using shift q w e s d and alt q w e a s d to make the locations. Mid way through the game I simply forgot how to inject, my flow was ruined and gumiho started harassing me constantly.

The pressure a code S terran coupled with the fact that I simply did not how to use my hotkeys anymore led to the game you saw. I know excuses don't belong in pro gaming and I'm playing MUCH better now that I've had some time to be more comfortable with them.


I felt like your roach play and transition to really late mutas was kind of bizarre, is that your standard vT style or did you just get caught up in your lead and decide to try and end the game early. I think that had you gone Mutas earlier and just played somewhat standard with that massive lead, you may have faired much better. Once again, it could just be that you were uncomfortable going into a long game with unfamiliar hotkeys, and saw a chance to take out a Code S Terran early on.

Either way, people have bad games, it was just disappointing seeing such a throw when I thought you could have had it.


I'm not sure if this is going to make sense to many people but when I play an important match my brain turns off and I go into flow usually any decision you see me make is just a practiced habit that came out naturally. This was not the case in the game vs Gumiho because when I tried to inject or jump to bases it simply did not happen. I was immediately taken out of the game and started doing whatever I could to end the game, all the blame falls on me because I offered to play in this clan war.
Day[9] i've broken 6 mice, 5 keyboards, 3 pairs of headphones, and a mousepad, all from raging after starcraft losing streaks
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 26 2012 02:15 GMT
#182
Killing spree!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Philipd122
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia776 Posts
January 26 2012 02:16 GMT
#183
On January 26 2012 11:14 Chunhyang wrote:
FXO showing Vile some respect by bringing Gumiho out immediately

Anyway, shouldn't they keep sending out Terran vs Gumiho or something


They'll be immediately sniped by Oz/asd/Lucky and Leenock who have amazing XvT.
Oz | Leenock | GuMiho | Lucky | MC | PartinG | DRG | Mvp
NipponBanzai
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada518 Posts
January 26 2012 02:17 GMT
#184
On January 26 2012 11:16 Philipd122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 11:14 Chunhyang wrote:
FXO showing Vile some respect by bringing Gumiho out immediately

Anyway, shouldn't they keep sending out Terran vs Gumiho or something


They'll be immediately sniped by Oz/asd/Lucky and Leenock who have amazing XvT.


So then logically we must keep sending out zergs!!
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
January 26 2012 02:17 GMT
#185
On January 26 2012 11:16 Philipd122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 11:14 Chunhyang wrote:
FXO showing Vile some respect by bringing Gumiho out immediately

Anyway, shouldn't they keep sending out Terran vs Gumiho or something


They'll be immediately sniped by Oz/asd/Lucky and Leenock who have amazing XvT.

But you gotta do it...can't get allkilled...
Liquid | SKT
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
January 26 2012 02:17 GMT
#186
On January 26 2012 11:15 Whomp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 11:05 Mordiford wrote:
On January 26 2012 10:59 tree.hugger wrote:
I know how good GuMiho is, so it's hard to be even more impressed with him, but I really like what I saw from ChAnCe there.


I actually wasn't that impressed by Chance there, he made some massive misplayed and really threw that game hard. Getting a lead early can sometimes be chancy but maintaining that into a win is what counts in the end, he really really threw away the lead he got early and his overall play that game was a little disappointing. It may be because he choked, but I just saw a lot of really wonky play that game and a lot of questionable decision making.

On January 26 2012 11:05 Whomp wrote:
This is vile.Chance and I want to explain a couple things about that game. The biggest issue was was a week prior to this I had went from using the backspace method of injecting to using camera locations, however I use a really complex system of using shift q w e s d and alt q w e a s d to make the locations. Mid way through the game I simply forgot how to inject, my flow was ruined and gumiho started harassing me constantly.

The pressure a code S terran coupled with the fact that I simply did not how to use my hotkeys anymore led to the game you saw. I know excuses don't belong in pro gaming and I'm playing MUCH better now that I've had some time to be more comfortable with them.


I felt like your roach play and transition to really late mutas was kind of bizarre, is that your standard vT style or did you just get caught up in your lead and decide to try and end the game early. I think that had you gone Mutas earlier and just played somewhat standard with that massive lead, you may have faired much better. Once again, it could just be that you were uncomfortable going into a long game with unfamiliar hotkeys, and saw a chance to take out a Code S Terran early on.

Either way, people have bad games, it was just disappointing seeing such a throw when I thought you could have had it.


I'm not sure if this is going to make sense to many people but when I play an important match my brain turns off and I go into flow usually any decision you see me make is just a practiced habit that came out naturally. This was not the case in the game vs Gumiho because when I tried to inject or jump to bases it simply did not happen. I was immediately taken out of the game and started doing whatever I could to end the game, all the blame falls on me because I offered to play in this clan war.


Yeah, stress will do that
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
Tula
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1544 Posts
January 26 2012 02:18 GMT
#187
On January 26 2012 11:15 Whomp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 11:05 Mordiford wrote:
On January 26 2012 10:59 tree.hugger wrote:
I know how good GuMiho is, so it's hard to be even more impressed with him, but I really like what I saw from ChAnCe there.


I actually wasn't that impressed by Chance there, he made some massive misplayed and really threw that game hard. Getting a lead early can sometimes be chancy but maintaining that into a win is what counts in the end, he really really threw away the lead he got early and his overall play that game was a little disappointing. It may be because he choked, but I just saw a lot of really wonky play that game and a lot of questionable decision making.

On January 26 2012 11:05 Whomp wrote:
This is vile.Chance and I want to explain a couple things about that game. The biggest issue was was a week prior to this I had went from using the backspace method of injecting to using camera locations, however I use a really complex system of using shift q w e s d and alt q w e a s d to make the locations. Mid way through the game I simply forgot how to inject, my flow was ruined and gumiho started harassing me constantly.

The pressure a code S terran coupled with the fact that I simply did not how to use my hotkeys anymore led to the game you saw. I know excuses don't belong in pro gaming and I'm playing MUCH better now that I've had some time to be more comfortable with them.


I felt like your roach play and transition to really late mutas was kind of bizarre, is that your standard vT style or did you just get caught up in your lead and decide to try and end the game early. I think that had you gone Mutas earlier and just played somewhat standard with that massive lead, you may have faired much better. Once again, it could just be that you were uncomfortable going into a long game with unfamiliar hotkeys, and saw a chance to take out a Code S Terran early on.

Either way, people have bad games, it was just disappointing seeing such a throw when I thought you could have had it.


I'm not sure if this is going to make sense to many people but when I play an important match my brain turns off and I go into flow usually any decision you see me make is just a practiced habit that came out naturally. This was not the case in the game vs Gumiho because when I tried to inject or jump to bases it simply did not happen. I was immediately taken out of the game and started doing whatever I could to end the game, all the blame falls on me because I offered to play in this clan war.

It can happen, even if it sucks badly for you.
I guess what makes it hurt so much is how close you came. If you compare the guy before or after you you were definitly closest.

Sadly Gumiho is a code S player (deservedly) so if you give him an inch, he will come back and kill you.

Good luck in the future, i hope you can iron out those hitches so you can finish off games in the future.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 26 2012 02:19 GMT
#188
On January 26 2012 11:15 Whomp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 11:05 Mordiford wrote:
On January 26 2012 10:59 tree.hugger wrote:
I know how good GuMiho is, so it's hard to be even more impressed with him, but I really like what I saw from ChAnCe there.


I actually wasn't that impressed by Chance there, he made some massive misplayed and really threw that game hard. Getting a lead early can sometimes be chancy but maintaining that into a win is what counts in the end, he really really threw away the lead he got early and his overall play that game was a little disappointing. It may be because he choked, but I just saw a lot of really wonky play that game and a lot of questionable decision making.

On January 26 2012 11:05 Whomp wrote:
This is vile.Chance and I want to explain a couple things about that game. The biggest issue was was a week prior to this I had went from using the backspace method of injecting to using camera locations, however I use a really complex system of using shift q w e s d and alt q w e a s d to make the locations. Mid way through the game I simply forgot how to inject, my flow was ruined and gumiho started harassing me constantly.

The pressure a code S terran coupled with the fact that I simply did not how to use my hotkeys anymore led to the game you saw. I know excuses don't belong in pro gaming and I'm playing MUCH better now that I've had some time to be more comfortable with them.


I felt like your roach play and transition to really late mutas was kind of bizarre, is that your standard vT style or did you just get caught up in your lead and decide to try and end the game early. I think that had you gone Mutas earlier and just played somewhat standard with that massive lead, you may have faired much better. Once again, it could just be that you were uncomfortable going into a long game with unfamiliar hotkeys, and saw a chance to take out a Code S Terran early on.

Either way, people have bad games, it was just disappointing seeing such a throw when I thought you could have had it.


I'm not sure if this is going to make sense to many people but when I play an important match my brain turns off and I go into flow usually any decision you see me make is just a practiced habit that came out naturally. This was not the case in the game vs Gumiho because when I tried to inject or jump to bases it simply did not happen. I was immediately taken out of the game and started doing whatever I could to end the game, all the blame falls on me because I offered to play in this clan war.


Don't be too hard on yourself. You lost to one of the best TvZ players in the world, and a Ro16 Code S player. Furthermore, it was not like it was completely one-sided game either.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
January 26 2012 02:19 GMT
#189
vile.St8 fighting!
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-Jacob-
Profile Joined November 2010
358 Posts
January 26 2012 02:19 GMT
#190
Gogogo State!
Rawr
Stealth.
Profile Joined October 2011
United States115 Posts
January 26 2012 02:19 GMT
#191
The reason why we keep sending out Zerg, because Hawk and Chance's favorite Matchup is ZvT, we have protoss and illusion as terran, our protoss players dislike PvT and as much as possible we save our T, so you guys might think theres no logic behind it with comments such as "logically keep sending zergs" you guys just dont know ^^
vileStealth - TeamVile.net - VileGaming.com
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
January 26 2012 02:21 GMT
#192
On January 26 2012 11:19 Stealth. wrote:
The reason why we keep sending out Zerg, because Hawk and Chance's favorite Matchup is ZvT, we have protoss and illusion as terran, our protoss players dislike PvT and as much as possible we save our T, so you guys might think theres no logic behind it with comments such as "logically keep sending zergs" you guys just dont know ^^


ok

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If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
Majynx
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1431 Posts
January 26 2012 02:22 GMT
#193
Excited for this game. It has been a while since I've seen State play.
NipponBanzai
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada518 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 02:24:22
January 26 2012 02:24 GMT
#194
On January 26 2012 11:19 Stealth. wrote:
The reason why we keep sending out Zerg, because Hawk and Chance's favorite Matchup is ZvT, we have protoss and illusion as terran, our protoss players dislike PvT and as much as possible we save our T, so you guys might think theres no logic behind it with comments such as "logically keep sending zergs" you guys just dont know ^^


It just seems sending out zergs against gumiho is counter-intuitive. I guess you guys decided to play to your own players strengths rather than your opponents weaknesses which is fine it just sucks watching a bunch of good zergs lose simply because gumiho is a god at TvZ.
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
January 26 2012 02:27 GMT
#195
I think it's...askjoshy?...he keeps referring to Vile players as Vile. It seems kind of odd.
Liquid | SKT
tianyou546
Profile Joined December 2011
United States114 Posts
January 26 2012 02:27 GMT
#196
Yay DT drop
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 26 2012 02:28 GMT
#197
On January 26 2012 11:27 DamageControL wrote:
I think it's...askjoshy?...he keeps referring to Vile players as Vile. It seems kind of odd.


Doa ^^
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 02:29:46
January 26 2012 02:29 GMT
#198
On January 26 2012 11:24 NipponBanzai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 11:19 Stealth. wrote:
The reason why we keep sending out Zerg, because Hawk and Chance's favorite Matchup is ZvT, we have protoss and illusion as terran, our protoss players dislike PvT and as much as possible we save our T, so you guys might think theres no logic behind it with comments such as "logically keep sending zergs" you guys just dont know ^^


It just seems sending out zergs against gumiho is counter-intuitive. I guess you guys decided to play to your own players strengths rather than your opponents weaknesses which is fine it just sucks watching a bunch of good zergs lose simply because gumiho is a god at TvZ.


Yeah, it was more because we all know Gumiho is a Code-S Terran with a 69% win-rate in Korea against Zerg (his best match up). 2-1 Zenio, 2-1 Yugioh, 1-0 Morrow/1-0 DRG/1-0 Yugioh.
His TvP is 65% and his worst is TvT @ 47%.

As good as Hawk/Chance are, I think you guys should have played State earlier (or a Terran... wtf is Kang?) because he is damn good. But he's your Ace player isn't he...? I could sort of understand then.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 26 2012 02:30 GMT
#199
State has a lead in every way but ups, if he got a double forge to rebound from +armor getting snipe he's have a nearly insurmountable hold on this game.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 02:32:15
January 26 2012 02:31 GMT
#200
State is playing well.

Edit: 9900 viewers, just a bit more...
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
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