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On January 26 2012 11:05 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 10:59 tree.hugger wrote:
I know how good GuMiho is, so it's hard to be even more impressed with him, but I really like what I saw from ChAnCe there. I actually wasn't that impressed by Chance there, he made some massive misplayed and really threw that game hard. Getting a lead early can sometimes be chancy but maintaining that into a win is what counts in the end, he really really threw away the lead he got early and his overall play that game was a little disappointing. It may be because he choked, but I just saw a lot of really wonky play that game and a lot of questionable decision making. Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 11:05 Whomp wrote:
This is vile.Chance and I want to explain a couple things about that game. The biggest issue was was a week prior to this I had went from using the backspace method of injecting to using camera locations, however I use a really complex system of using shift q w e s d and alt q w e a s d to make the locations. Mid way through the game I simply forgot how to inject, my flow was ruined and gumiho started harassing me constantly.
The pressure a code S terran coupled with the fact that I simply did not how to use my hotkeys anymore led to the game you saw. I know excuses don't belong in pro gaming and I'm playing MUCH better now that I've had some time to be more comfortable with them. I felt like your roach play and transition to really late mutas was kind of bizarre, is that your standard vT style or did you just get caught up in your lead and decide to try and end the game early. I think that had you gone Mutas earlier and just played somewhat standard with that massive lead, you may have faired much better. Once again, it could just be that you were uncomfortable going into a long game with unfamiliar hotkeys, and saw a chance to take out a Code S Terran early on. Either way, people have bad games, it was just disappointing seeing such a throw when I thought you could have had it.
I'm not sure if this is going to make sense to many people but when I play an important match my brain turns off and I go into flow usually any decision you see me make is just a practiced habit that came out naturally. This was not the case in the game vs Gumiho because when I tried to inject or jump to bases it simply did not happen. I was immediately taken out of the game and started doing whatever I could to end the game, all the blame falls on me because I offered to play in this clan war.
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On January 26 2012 11:14 Chunhyang wrote:
FXO showing Vile some respect by bringing Gumiho out immediately
Anyway, shouldn't they keep sending out Terran vs Gumiho or something
They'll be immediately sniped by Oz/asd/Lucky and Leenock who have amazing XvT.
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Canada518 Posts
On January 26 2012 11:16 Philipd122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 11:14 Chunhyang wrote:
FXO showing Vile some respect by bringing Gumiho out immediately
Anyway, shouldn't they keep sending out Terran vs Gumiho or something They'll be immediately sniped by Oz/asd/Lucky and Leenock who have amazing XvT.
So then logically we must keep sending out zergs!!
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On January 26 2012 11:16 Philipd122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 11:14 Chunhyang wrote:
FXO showing Vile some respect by bringing Gumiho out immediately
Anyway, shouldn't they keep sending out Terran vs Gumiho or something They'll be immediately sniped by Oz/asd/Lucky and Leenock who have amazing XvT.
But you gotta do it...can't get allkilled...
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On January 26 2012 11:15 Whomp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 11:05 Mordiford wrote:On January 26 2012 10:59 tree.hugger wrote:
I know how good GuMiho is, so it's hard to be even more impressed with him, but I really like what I saw from ChAnCe there. I actually wasn't that impressed by Chance there, he made some massive misplayed and really threw that game hard. Getting a lead early can sometimes be chancy but maintaining that into a win is what counts in the end, he really really threw away the lead he got early and his overall play that game was a little disappointing. It may be because he choked, but I just saw a lot of really wonky play that game and a lot of questionable decision making. On January 26 2012 11:05 Whomp wrote:
This is vile.Chance and I want to explain a couple things about that game. The biggest issue was was a week prior to this I had went from using the backspace method of injecting to using camera locations, however I use a really complex system of using shift q w e s d and alt q w e a s d to make the locations. Mid way through the game I simply forgot how to inject, my flow was ruined and gumiho started harassing me constantly.
The pressure a code S terran coupled with the fact that I simply did not how to use my hotkeys anymore led to the game you saw. I know excuses don't belong in pro gaming and I'm playing MUCH better now that I've had some time to be more comfortable with them. I felt like your roach play and transition to really late mutas was kind of bizarre, is that your standard vT style or did you just get caught up in your lead and decide to try and end the game early. I think that had you gone Mutas earlier and just played somewhat standard with that massive lead, you may have faired much better. Once again, it could just be that you were uncomfortable going into a long game with unfamiliar hotkeys, and saw a chance to take out a Code S Terran early on. Either way, people have bad games, it was just disappointing seeing such a throw when I thought you could have had it. I'm not sure if this is going to make sense to many people but when I play an important match my brain turns off and I go into flow usually any decision you see me make is just a practiced habit that came out naturally. This was not the case in the game vs Gumiho because when I tried to inject or jump to bases it simply did not happen. I was immediately taken out of the game and started doing whatever I could to end the game, all the blame falls on me because I offered to play in this clan war.
Yeah, stress will do that
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On January 26 2012 11:15 Whomp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 11:05 Mordiford wrote:On January 26 2012 10:59 tree.hugger wrote:
I know how good GuMiho is, so it's hard to be even more impressed with him, but I really like what I saw from ChAnCe there. I actually wasn't that impressed by Chance there, he made some massive misplayed and really threw that game hard. Getting a lead early can sometimes be chancy but maintaining that into a win is what counts in the end, he really really threw away the lead he got early and his overall play that game was a little disappointing. It may be because he choked, but I just saw a lot of really wonky play that game and a lot of questionable decision making. On January 26 2012 11:05 Whomp wrote:
This is vile.Chance and I want to explain a couple things about that game. The biggest issue was was a week prior to this I had went from using the backspace method of injecting to using camera locations, however I use a really complex system of using shift q w e s d and alt q w e a s d to make the locations. Mid way through the game I simply forgot how to inject, my flow was ruined and gumiho started harassing me constantly.
The pressure a code S terran coupled with the fact that I simply did not how to use my hotkeys anymore led to the game you saw. I know excuses don't belong in pro gaming and I'm playing MUCH better now that I've had some time to be more comfortable with them. I felt like your roach play and transition to really late mutas was kind of bizarre, is that your standard vT style or did you just get caught up in your lead and decide to try and end the game early. I think that had you gone Mutas earlier and just played somewhat standard with that massive lead, you may have faired much better. Once again, it could just be that you were uncomfortable going into a long game with unfamiliar hotkeys, and saw a chance to take out a Code S Terran early on. Either way, people have bad games, it was just disappointing seeing such a throw when I thought you could have had it. I'm not sure if this is going to make sense to many people but when I play an important match my brain turns off and I go into flow usually any decision you see me make is just a practiced habit that came out naturally. This was not the case in the game vs Gumiho because when I tried to inject or jump to bases it simply did not happen. I was immediately taken out of the game and started doing whatever I could to end the game, all the blame falls on me because I offered to play in this clan war.
It can happen, even if it sucks badly for you.
I guess what makes it hurt so much is how close you came. If you compare the guy before or after you you were definitly closest.
Sadly Gumiho is a code S player (deservedly) so if you give him an inch, he will come back and kill you.
Good luck in the future, i hope you can iron out those hitches so you can finish off games in the future.
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On January 26 2012 11:15 Whomp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 11:05 Mordiford wrote:On January 26 2012 10:59 tree.hugger wrote:
I know how good GuMiho is, so it's hard to be even more impressed with him, but I really like what I saw from ChAnCe there. I actually wasn't that impressed by Chance there, he made some massive misplayed and really threw that game hard. Getting a lead early can sometimes be chancy but maintaining that into a win is what counts in the end, he really really threw away the lead he got early and his overall play that game was a little disappointing. It may be because he choked, but I just saw a lot of really wonky play that game and a lot of questionable decision making. On January 26 2012 11:05 Whomp wrote:
This is vile.Chance and I want to explain a couple things about that game. The biggest issue was was a week prior to this I had went from using the backspace method of injecting to using camera locations, however I use a really complex system of using shift q w e s d and alt q w e a s d to make the locations. Mid way through the game I simply forgot how to inject, my flow was ruined and gumiho started harassing me constantly.
The pressure a code S terran coupled with the fact that I simply did not how to use my hotkeys anymore led to the game you saw. I know excuses don't belong in pro gaming and I'm playing MUCH better now that I've had some time to be more comfortable with them. I felt like your roach play and transition to really late mutas was kind of bizarre, is that your standard vT style or did you just get caught up in your lead and decide to try and end the game early. I think that had you gone Mutas earlier and just played somewhat standard with that massive lead, you may have faired much better. Once again, it could just be that you were uncomfortable going into a long game with unfamiliar hotkeys, and saw a chance to take out a Code S Terran early on. Either way, people have bad games, it was just disappointing seeing such a throw when I thought you could have had it. I'm not sure if this is going to make sense to many people but when I play an important match my brain turns off and I go into flow usually any decision you see me make is just a practiced habit that came out naturally. This was not the case in the game vs Gumiho because when I tried to inject or jump to bases it simply did not happen. I was immediately taken out of the game and started doing whatever I could to end the game, all the blame falls on me because I offered to play in this clan war.
Don't be too hard on yourself. You lost to one of the best TvZ players in the world, and a Ro16 Code S player. Furthermore, it was not like it was completely one-sided game either.
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The reason why we keep sending out Zerg, because Hawk and Chance's favorite Matchup is ZvT, we have protoss and illusion as terran, our protoss players dislike PvT and as much as possible we save our T, so you guys might think theres no logic behind it with comments such as "logically keep sending zergs" you guys just dont know ^^
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On January 26 2012 11:19 Stealth. wrote:
The reason why we keep sending out Zerg, because Hawk and Chance's favorite Matchup is ZvT, we have protoss and illusion as terran, our protoss players dislike PvT and as much as possible we save our T, so you guys might think theres no logic behind it with comments such as "logically keep sending zergs" you guys just dont know ^^
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Excited for this game. It has been a while since I've seen State play.
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Canada518 Posts
On January 26 2012 11:19 Stealth. wrote:
The reason why we keep sending out Zerg, because Hawk and Chance's favorite Matchup is ZvT, we have protoss and illusion as terran, our protoss players dislike PvT and as much as possible we save our T, so you guys might think theres no logic behind it with comments such as "logically keep sending zergs" you guys just dont know ^^
It just seems sending out zergs against gumiho is counter-intuitive. I guess you guys decided to play to your own players strengths rather than your opponents weaknesses which is fine it just sucks watching a bunch of good zergs lose simply because gumiho is a god at TvZ.
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I think it's...askjoshy?...he keeps referring to Vile players as Vile. It seems kind of odd.
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On January 26 2012 11:27 DamageControL wrote:
I think it's...askjoshy?...he keeps referring to Vile players as Vile. It seems kind of odd.
Doa ^^
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On January 26 2012 11:24 NipponBanzai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 11:19 Stealth. wrote:
The reason why we keep sending out Zerg, because Hawk and Chance's favorite Matchup is ZvT, we have protoss and illusion as terran, our protoss players dislike PvT and as much as possible we save our T, so you guys might think theres no logic behind it with comments such as "logically keep sending zergs" you guys just dont know ^^ It just seems sending out zergs against gumiho is counter-intuitive. I guess you guys decided to play to your own players strengths rather than your opponents weaknesses which is fine it just sucks watching a bunch of good zergs lose simply because gumiho is a god at TvZ.
Yeah, it was more because we all know Gumiho is a Code-S Terran with a 69% win-rate in Korea against Zerg (his best match up). 2-1 Zenio, 2-1 Yugioh, 1-0 Morrow/1-0 DRG/1-0 Yugioh.
His TvP is 65% and his worst is TvT @ 47%.
As good as Hawk/Chance are, I think you guys should have played State earlier (or a Terran... wtf is Kang?) because he is damn good. But he's your Ace player isn't he...? I could sort of understand then.
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State has a lead in every way but ups, if he got a double forge to rebound from +armor getting snipe he's have a nearly insurmountable hold on this game.
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State is playing well.
Edit: 9900 viewers, just a bit more...
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