When: Thursday, Jan 26 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Thursday, Jan 26 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Format
This double-elimination tournament features 16 teams from around the world and is an All-Kill team format. This match is being played for Winners Round 1. The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9), will move on in the Winners Bracket, while the loser will drop down into the Losers Bracket. Keep in mind that this has a $20,000 prize pool, and only six teams will make it to the money!
FXOpen eSports mOoNan Timber GuMiho TheBest TopClass asd kAsyu Tree Leenock Sirius Lucky Supreme OpTiKzErO Choya Oz Crane Weekend
Vile Gaming HasHe Illusion Domorin Hawk PsY Spanishiwa ChAnCe DdoRo Yong SyNc State
The First Game for this match of IPL Team Arena Challenge 2 is on Thursday, Jan 26 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Thursday, Jan 26 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
If FXO plays their A-Team this could very well be an all-kill. I'd love to see Illusion's Mechanical TvP, but I doubt it will happen and if it does I doubt it will be successful.
I still have a hard time seeing Vile in the same league as most if any teams in this league, and thats coming from someone who loves the team. Best of luck and I'd love to see an upset happen
On January 26 2012 03:37 chipmonklord17 wrote: I still have a hard time seeing Vile in the same league as most if any teams in this league, and thats coming from someone who loves the team. Best of luck and I'd love to see an upset happen
Just a reminder, Vile qualified by beating the following teams: mTw, Team Clash, imbaFXO, and ZeNEX (Vile won this one 5-1!).
ChAnCe has taken games off of some incredible players, illusion and State always manage to upend players you wouldn't expect, and DdoRo and Spanishiwa have their flashes of brilliance as well. I'm excited for these games!
I think there's no doubt that Vile is the huge underdog here. I didn't catch much of the qualifiers but beating Zenex 5-1 is very impressive, even though they are probably the weakest korean team.
The score depends on who FXO is going to send out i think. Oz, Leenock, asd, Lucky and Gumiho can allkill most teams on a good day. If FXO decide to send out players from the "original" FXO team, or some of the weaker Koreans, Vile could very likely get some kills.
I still don't see Vile winning though. Even though it would be awesome.
Edit:
On January 26 2012 05:19 Kira__ wrote: vile has a top 3 foreign zerg in spanishiwa, so they might stand a chance if he performs
Someone's been reading to many Youtube comments lately.
On January 26 2012 04:19 ssg wrote: Vile is a notch below everyone in terms of talent in this tournament.
I disagree, while Vile may indeed be a notch below the top Korean teams they can certainly hold their own against any of the foreigner teams.
Plus, Vile earned their spot in this tournament fairly in the qualifiers (which were incredibly stacked). I can't wait to see what Illusion has, I hear nothing but good things about his skill from my players.
On January 26 2012 05:28 BansheeDK wrote: If FXO decide to send out players from the "original" FXO team, or some of the weaker Koreans, Vile could very likely get some kills.
Are there VoDs available? I know these games haven't been played yet... but I often don't get home in time to watch them start, hoping vods are available.
vile did very nice in the qualifiers and they deserved their spot in the league. Still you shouldnt put to much emphasis on a single series vs Zenex which was a nice upset. Doesnt mean they have a decent shot vs every korean team. I hope vile can make a good showing.
noooo, vile is my favorite team and this is the match ive been looking forward to the most, and I cant watch it tonight How long will it take for the vods to be uploaded?
On January 26 2012 05:19 Kira__ wrote: vile has a top 3 foreign zerg in spanishiwa, so they might stand a chance if he performs
That's a pretty funny joke.
IdrA, Stephano, Sheth, Sen, Ret, Slush, MorroW, Dimaga
How do you even pick a top three foreign zerg?
I don't see Spanishiwa on that list.
I thought that was the joke? ;3
Edit: In all seriousness, there's a ton of good foreign zerg. How do you even judge who is the best?
I would say major tournament wins. But there really is not great way to judge who is best, because this is not a sport that skill is measured by metrics, but by comparison to other players through competition. It's easy to say Michael Phelps is the fastest swimmer in the IM and Usain Bolt was the fastest sprinter (at least in 2008), but much harder to determine who is the best football player in the world.
I dont understand how people still think vile is so weak. In the past few months their players have been performing amazingly, they picked up some new players as well who are all great. I honestly think vile is going to make this a very entertaining clan war and I hope to see them win.
On January 26 2012 05:19 Kira__ wrote: vile has a top 3 foreign zerg in spanishiwa, so they might stand a chance if he performs
That's a pretty funny joke.
IdrA, Stephano, Sheth, Sen, Ret, Slush, MorroW, Dimaga
How do you even pick a top three foreign zerg?
SLush, Sheth and Ret on that list and Nerchio missing? Also Xigua could be added. But for sure all those guys are better than Spanishiwa (at this time, he might have potential). And so are Darfkforce, Bly, Biggs, Haypro, Targa, Killer, Aristeo, Orly, F91, Lowely, Livezerg, Slivko, Snute, Machine, XLord, Syz and maybe a few other guys.
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Vile's not going to take it. I can see illusion or state getting a kill, but FXO has shown they are not afraid to throw out gumiho or leenocktopus, and Vile simply can't kill them.
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
^Gumiho is currently in the ro16 for Code S January, beating out players like Leenock, Idra, and Fin. You've got to be kidding bro
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
^Gumiho is currently in the ro16 for Code S January, beating out players like Leenock, Idra, and Fin. You've got to be kidding bro
This is only in FXO uses their A-Team AND uses their code s qualified players
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
No, they have no chance.
FXO have one of the absolute best players in the world in Leenock. They also have multiple Code S level players like Oz, Gumiho and Lucky and solid Code A players like Asd, TheBest and Choya.
Even Moonan is better than most players on Vile.
Vile don't even have any player you could consider top NA players, nevermind top foreigners nevermind being able to compete against Code S level players.
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
^Gumiho is currently in the ro16 for Code S January, beating out players like Leenock, Idra, and Fin. You've got to be kidding bro
Yes... I am aware of his current success in the GSL, but if he loses, I will be the first to say "I told you so"...
Cool, you're one of those guys who makes really absurd predictions so that on the off chance you're right (when you're wrong 95% of the time) you can bump that one post and feel smart.
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
^Gumiho is currently in the ro16 for Code S January, beating out players like Leenock, Idra, and Fin. You've got to be kidding bro
Yes... I am aware of his current success in the GSL, but if he loses, I will be the first to say "I told you so"...
Edit: It's not an absurd prediction.. Vile does not get enough recognition.. Not sure how well they have to do vs FXO to get some either
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
^Gumiho is currently in the ro16 for Code S January, beating out players like Leenock, Idra, and Fin. You've got to be kidding bro
Leenock and Fin, huh?
If you actually watched the games, you'd know how unimpressive and mediocre Gumiho's form was. Neither Zenio nor Yugioh have good ZvT's + they played badly, and Gumiho still struggled mightily to beat them in his best matchup. There's a reason why everyone wanted to pick Gumiho in the group selections.
Edit: However, Gumiho's struggles have no bearing on FXO as a whole. They're still going to destroy Vile.
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
On paper, you are completely right. But sometimes things do not go according to plan. How about a little story? Half a year ago, a team called FXO, yes the very same FXO team today but without the Koreans, went to Korea to participate in the GSTL. They were all-killed repeatedly and could not put up a fight against any team. It was a very difficult time to be an FXO fan.
Their final match in the GSTL was against IM. They had no possibility of advancement at this point, as their record was 0-4. IM was one of the strongest teams in the world, having won the first GSTL and placing 2nd in another. They had players like MVP, Nestea and Losira. On paper, FXO had "not a chance in hell" and "no answer" to players like MVP, Nestea, or Losira.
But a miracle happened. One man walked into the booth for his team. He did not probe-rush. He played with everything he had. He defeated 4 players, including the 2-time GSL champion MVP.
Miracles and upsets are what make sports and competition worth watching. They do not happen often, but they can happen at any moment.
Being around these players in a daily basis, its no surprise to me the high caliber they play. People in this thread get stuck in the mentality of Code S players which is rightly so, but i truly believe vile players are not just one of the most unnoticed team but it has skill that suprises alot of people who dont know.
Code S players are a dime a dozen now a days and even in practice games in which i get to ob vs Code S or Code A players Its somtimes completely one sided with a vile player taking it quite easily, so as much as predictions here can be justified by the success of the FXO players, dont let those cloud your judgement when it comes to Vile, who is not very known compared to FXO. As they say, dont judge the book by its cover, just because FXO are like Harry Potter books which are well known by everyone doesnt mean a book no one knows isnt better than Harry Potter :D
Aside from that, Vile is a team to be wrecking with and thats no bias.
On January 26 2012 07:35 Stealth. wrote: Being around these players in a daily basis, its no surprise to me the high caliber they play. People in this thread get stuck in the mentality of Code S players which is rightly so, but i truly believe vile players are not just one of the most unnoticed team but it has skill that suprises alot of people who dont know.
Code S players are a dime a dozen now a days and even in practice games in which i get to ob vs Code S or Code A players Its somtimes completely one sided with a vile player taking it quite easily, so as much as predictions here can be justified by the success of the FXO players, dont let those cloud your judgement when it comes to Vile, who is not very known compared to FXO. As they say, dont judge the book by its cover, just because FXO are like Harry Potter books which are well known by everyone doesnt mean a book no one knows isnt better than Harry Potter :D
Aside from that, Vile is a team to be wrecking with and thats no bias.
Gogo Vile. Lets show them great games.
There are precisely 32 Code S players. FXO has 4 of them.
Vile has always struck me as a team whose players will be the best foreigners in 2 or so years time. It's like a lot of the players who started off in Empire (including a few who still are in empire) are now some of the biggest players in the foreign scene. I think the same will happen with Vile. Hopefully they take off a couple of games (I'd love one of them to take out Leenock) but I don't really see them winning.
On January 26 2012 03:24 The Final Boss wrote: If FXO plays their A-Team this could very well be an all-kill. I'd love to see Illusion's Mechanical TvP, but I doubt it will happen and if it does I doubt it will be successful.
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
On paper, you are completely right. But sometimes things do not go according to plan. How about a little story? Half a year ago, a team called FXO, yes the very same FXO team today but without the Koreans, went to Korea to participate in the GSTL. They were all-killed repeatedly and could not put up a fight against any team. It was a very difficult time to be an FXO fan.
Their final match in the GSTL was against IM. They had no possibility of advancement at this point, as their record was 0-4. IM was one of the strongest teams in the world, having won the first GSTL and placing 2nd in another. They had players like MVP, Nestea and Losira. On paper, FXO had "not a chance in hell" and "no answer" to players like MVP, Nestea, or Losira.
But a miracle happened. One man walked into the booth for his team. He did not probe-rush. He played with everything he had. He defeated 4 players, including the 2-time GSL champion MVP.
Miracles and upsets are what make sports and competition worth watching. They do not happen often, but they can happen at any moment.
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
On paper, you are completely right. But sometimes things do not go according to plan. How about a little story? Half a year ago, a team called FXO, yes the very same FXO team today but without the Koreans, went to Korea to participate in the GSTL. They were all-killed repeatedly and could not put up a fight against any team. It was a very difficult time to be an FXO fan.
Their final match in the GSTL was against IM. They had no possibility of advancement at this point, as their record was 0-4. IM was one of the strongest teams in the world, having won the first GSTL and placing 2nd in another. They had players like MVP, Nestea and Losira. On paper, FXO had "not a chance in hell" and "no answer" to players like MVP, Nestea, or Losira.
But a miracle happened. One man walked into the booth for his team. He did not probe-rush. He played with everything he had. He defeated 4 players, including the 2-time GSL champion MVP.
Miracles and upsets are what make sports and competition worth watching. They do not happen often, but they can happen at any moment.
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
On paper, you are completely right. But sometimes things do not go according to plan. How about a little story? Half a year ago, a team called FXO, yes the very same FXO team today but without the Koreans, went to Korea to participate in the GSTL. They were all-killed repeatedly and could not put up a fight against any team. It was a very difficult time to be an FXO fan.
Their final match in the GSTL was against IM. They had no possibility of advancement at this point, as their record was 0-4. IM was one of the strongest teams in the world, having won the first GSTL and placing 2nd in another. They had players like MVP, Nestea and Losira. On paper, FXO had "not a chance in hell" and "no answer" to players like MVP, Nestea, or Losira.
But a miracle happened. One man walked into the booth for his team. He did not probe-rush. He played with everything he had. He defeated 4 players, including the 2-time GSL champion MVP.
Miracles and upsets are what make sports and competition worth watching. They do not happen often, but they can happen at any moment.
I started to get chills just reading about this again. Man that was a good night to be a qxc fan
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
On paper, you are completely right. But sometimes things do not go according to plan. How about a little story? Half a year ago, a team called FXO, yes the very same FXO team today but without the Koreans, went to Korea to participate in the GSTL. They were all-killed repeatedly and could not put up a fight against any team. It was a very difficult time to be an FXO fan.
Their final match in the GSTL was against IM. They had no possibility of advancement at this point, as their record was 0-4. IM was one of the strongest teams in the world, having won the first GSTL and placing 2nd in another. They had players like MVP, Nestea and Losira. On paper, FXO had "not a chance in hell" and "no answer" to players like MVP, Nestea, or Losira.
But a miracle happened. One man walked into the booth for his team. He did not probe-rush. He played with everything he had. He defeated 4 players, including the 2-time GSL champion MVP.
Miracles and upsets are what make sports and competition worth watching. They do not happen often, but they can happen at any moment.
Do you bet on miracles?
What was IM's situation, and who did qxc beat that day?
Good speech though. I read it in Will Smith's voice. Uh huh Uh huh
Pretty excited to see this match. I love FXO'S front four, but I also can't wait to see how Illusion and ChAnCe play. Two very very interesting and promising players!
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
On paper, you are completely right. But sometimes things do not go according to plan. How about a little story? Half a year ago, a team called FXO, yes the very same FXO team today but without the Koreans, went to Korea to participate in the GSTL. They were all-killed repeatedly and could not put up a fight against any team. It was a very difficult time to be an FXO fan.
Their final match in the GSTL was against IM. They had no possibility of advancement at this point, as their record was 0-4. IM was one of the strongest teams in the world, having won the first GSTL and placing 2nd in another. They had players like MVP, Nestea and Losira. On paper, FXO had "not a chance in hell" and "no answer" to players like MVP, Nestea, or Losira.
But a miracle happened. One man walked into the booth for his team. He did not probe-rush. He played with everything he had. He defeated 4 players, including the 2-time GSL champion MVP.
Miracles and upsets are what make sports and competition worth watching. They do not happen often, but they can happen at any moment.
Do you bet on miracles?
What was IM's situation, and who did qxc beat that day?
Good speech though. I read it in Will Smith's voice. Uh huh Uh huh
Who's talking about betting? He's just saying Vile has a chance, and given that they beat Zenex 5-1 I'm inclined to agree that they DO have a chance, albeit a small one.
Sure IM was already doing well, but you can't say that beating MVP is meaningless. MVP was the best SC2 player in the world at the time. It's likely that IM DID want their lesser players to get some experience but WERE confident that MVP could still pull off the reverse all kill which their fans would extremely enjoy.
On January 26 2012 09:56 minhbq299 wrote: FXOpeneSports FXOpen e-Sports Bliz needs to do something about cross server lag with all these cross server team leagues going on.
a twit from FXO mb they lose , It is hard to believe mb just some problem with lag
Edit: actually I think I misread that. Still might be worth spoiler tagging.
Wow what a sloppy game. If GuMiho keeps playing like that then it won't be an all-kill like I predicted, but if he steps his game up he still has a chance.
He could have had that with a bit better decision making (warping in better against the drops) or micro (saving the colossi in the battle). If he had kept 2 of his colossi alive his push would have broken Gumiho.
Also i have no idea why he tried to push in one last time, after killing nearly all of Gumiho's SCVs.
On January 26 2012 10:28 The Final Boss wrote: Wow what a sloppy game. If GuMiho keeps playing like that then it won't be an all-kill like I predicted, but if he steps his game up he still has a chance.
it only seemed close because he was getting all inned. throughout the game he was way outplaying ddoro with drops.
On January 26 2012 10:30 wklbishop wrote: I can kind of see why FXO complained about cross-server lag, Gumiho's micro is usually better than that....
Still, shouldn't be THAT big of a deal.
Gumiho was having almost 2 second delay during these games. But its ok, can still play.
WHOA, REALLY???? O_O
To be honest I was thinking that when it took Gumiho forever to pick up his units in front of the forcefields with a medivac. But... I still remember the TSL3 debates and it just makes me very hesitant to make any lag complaints as a lot of people were flamed banned and all that stuff.
On January 26 2012 10:53 Icekommander wrote: I'd have liked to have seen Chance divert a couple banelings to wreck the third mineral line in that last engagement.
don't even need to spend gas, just keep a few of the 60+ lings he sent to their death to clean up shop. If he had just droned after busting his natural bunker line he would have had an insurmountable lead.
GuMiho two games in a row has had what should be a loss, but with some awesome macro/harass play he's keeping it up. I cannot believe that GuMiho won that. Why can't GuMiho just play safe, standard builds instead of these cheesy builds he's been doing?
On January 26 2012 10:55 The Final Boss wrote: GuMiho two games in a row has had what should be a loss, but with some awesome macro/harass play he's keeping it up. I cannot believe that GuMiho won that. Why can't GuMiho just play safe, standard builds instead of these cheesy builds he's been doing?
On January 26 2012 10:55 The Final Boss wrote: GuMiho two games in a row has had what should be a loss, but with some awesome macro/harass play he's keeping it up. I cannot believe that GuMiho won that. Why can't GuMiho just play safe, standard builds instead of these cheesy builds he's been doing?
Well cheesing is easier, and hes so good if his cheese fails he can play his way back to victory like last game. Either way he wins but cheesing is faster.
On January 26 2012 10:55 The Final Boss wrote: GuMiho two games in a row has had what should be a loss, but with some awesome macro/harass play he's keeping it up. I cannot believe that GuMiho won that. Why can't GuMiho just play safe, standard builds instead of these cheesy builds he's been doing?
Well cheesing is easier, and hes so good if his cheese fails he can play his way back to victory like last game. Either way he wins but cheesing is faster.
With mass amounts of lag, early game plays are obviously much better to use.
On January 26 2012 10:59 tree.hugger wrote: I know how good GuMiho is, so it's hard to be even more impressed with him, but I really like what I saw from ChAnCe there.
He's good, one of NA's rising talents. He was definitely outmatched there, but that was obvious before the game even started.
This is vile.Chance and I want to explain a couple things about that game. The biggest issue was was a week prior to this I had went from using the backspace method of injecting to using camera locations, however I use a really complex system of using shift q w e s d and alt q w e a s d to make the locations. Mid way through the game I simply forgot how to inject, my flow was ruined and gumiho started harassing me constantly.
The pressure a code S terran coupled with the fact that I simply did not know how to use my hotkeys anymore led to the game you saw. I know excuses don't belong in pro gaming and I'm playing MUCH better now that I've had some time to be more comfortable with them.
On January 26 2012 10:59 tree.hugger wrote: I know how good GuMiho is, so it's hard to be even more impressed with him, but I really like what I saw from ChAnCe there.
I actually wasn't that impressed by Chance there, he made some massive misplayed and really threw that game hard. Getting a lead early can sometimes be chancy but maintaining that into a win is what counts in the end, he really really threw away the lead he got early and his overall play that game was a little disappointing. It may be because he choked, but I just saw a lot of really wonky play that game and a lot of questionable decision making.
On January 26 2012 11:05 Whomp wrote: This is vile.Chance and I want to explain a couple things about that game. The biggest issue was was a week prior to this I had went from using the backspace method of injecting to using camera locations, however I use a really complex system of using shift q w e s d and alt q w e a s d to make the locations. Mid way through the game I simply forgot how to inject, my flow was ruined and gumiho started harassing me constantly.
The pressure a code S terran coupled with the fact that I simply did not how to use my hotkeys anymore led to the game you saw. I know excuses don't belong in pro gaming and I'm playing MUCH better now that I've had some time to be more comfortable with them.
I felt like your roach play and transition to really late mutas was kind of bizarre, is that your standard vT style or did you just get caught up in your lead and decide to try and end the game early. I think that had you gone Mutas earlier and just played somewhat standard with that massive lead, you may have faired much better. Once again, it could just be that you were uncomfortable going into a long game with unfamiliar hotkeys, and saw a chance to take out a Code S Terran early on.
Either way, people have bad games, it was just disappointing seeing such a throw when I thought you could have had it.
On January 26 2012 11:05 Whomp wrote: This is vile.Chance and I want to explain a couple things about that game. The biggest issue was was a week prior to this I had went from using the backspace method of injecting to using camera locations, however I use a really complex system of using shift q w e s d and alt q w e a s d to make the locations. Mid way through the game I simply forgot how to inject, my flow was ruined and gumiho started harassing me constantly.
The pressure a code S terran coupled with the fact that I simply did not know how to use my hotkeys anymore led to the game you saw. I know excuses don't belong in pro gaming and I'm playing MUCH better now that I've had some time to be more comfortable with them.
Don't worry man, you had him on the ropes for a while. Good game, and no shame losing to a guy like Gumiho.
On January 26 2012 10:59 tree.hugger wrote: I know how good GuMiho is, so it's hard to be even more impressed with him, but I really like what I saw from ChAnCe there.
I actually wasn't that impressed by Chance there, he made some massive misplayed and really threw that game hard. Getting a lead early can sometimes be chancy but maintaining that into a win is what counts in the end, he really really threw away the lead he got early and his overall play that game was a little disappointing. It may be because he choked, but I just saw a lot of really wonky play that game and a lot of questionable decision making.
On January 26 2012 11:05 Whomp wrote: This is vile.Chance and I want to explain a couple things about that game. The biggest issue was was a week prior to this I had went from using the backspace method of injecting to using camera locations, however I use a really complex system of using shift q w e s d and alt q w e a s d to make the locations. Mid way through the game I simply forgot how to inject, my flow was ruined and gumiho started harassing me constantly.
The pressure a code S terran coupled with the fact that I simply did not how to use my hotkeys anymore led to the game you saw. I know excuses don't belong in pro gaming and I'm playing MUCH better now that I've had some time to be more comfortable with them.
I felt like your roach play and transition to really late mutas was kind of bizarre, is that your standard vT style or did you just get caught up in your lead and decide to try and end the game early. I think that had you gone Mutas earlier and just played somewhat standard with that massive lead, you may have faired much better. Once again, it could just be that you were uncomfortable going into a long game with unfamiliar hotkeys, and saw a chance to take out a Code S Terran early on.
Either way, people have bad games, it was just disappointing seeing such a throw when I thought you could have had it.
I'm not sure if this is going to make sense to many people but when I play an important match my brain turns off and I go into flow usually any decision you see me make is just a practiced habit that came out naturally. This was not the case in the game vs Gumiho because when I tried to inject or jump to bases it simply did not happen. I was immediately taken out of the game and started doing whatever I could to end the game, all the blame falls on me because I offered to play in this clan war.
On January 26 2012 10:59 tree.hugger wrote: I know how good GuMiho is, so it's hard to be even more impressed with him, but I really like what I saw from ChAnCe there.
I actually wasn't that impressed by Chance there, he made some massive misplayed and really threw that game hard. Getting a lead early can sometimes be chancy but maintaining that into a win is what counts in the end, he really really threw away the lead he got early and his overall play that game was a little disappointing. It may be because he choked, but I just saw a lot of really wonky play that game and a lot of questionable decision making.
On January 26 2012 11:05 Whomp wrote: This is vile.Chance and I want to explain a couple things about that game. The biggest issue was was a week prior to this I had went from using the backspace method of injecting to using camera locations, however I use a really complex system of using shift q w e s d and alt q w e a s d to make the locations. Mid way through the game I simply forgot how to inject, my flow was ruined and gumiho started harassing me constantly.
The pressure a code S terran coupled with the fact that I simply did not how to use my hotkeys anymore led to the game you saw. I know excuses don't belong in pro gaming and I'm playing MUCH better now that I've had some time to be more comfortable with them.
I felt like your roach play and transition to really late mutas was kind of bizarre, is that your standard vT style or did you just get caught up in your lead and decide to try and end the game early. I think that had you gone Mutas earlier and just played somewhat standard with that massive lead, you may have faired much better. Once again, it could just be that you were uncomfortable going into a long game with unfamiliar hotkeys, and saw a chance to take out a Code S Terran early on.
Either way, people have bad games, it was just disappointing seeing such a throw when I thought you could have had it.
I'm not sure if this is going to make sense to many people but when I play an important match my brain turns off and I go into flow usually any decision you see me make is just a practiced habit that came out naturally. This was not the case in the game vs Gumiho because when I tried to inject or jump to bases it simply did not happen. I was immediately taken out of the game and started doing whatever I could to end the game, all the blame falls on me because I offered to play in this clan war.
On January 26 2012 10:59 tree.hugger wrote: I know how good GuMiho is, so it's hard to be even more impressed with him, but I really like what I saw from ChAnCe there.
I actually wasn't that impressed by Chance there, he made some massive misplayed and really threw that game hard. Getting a lead early can sometimes be chancy but maintaining that into a win is what counts in the end, he really really threw away the lead he got early and his overall play that game was a little disappointing. It may be because he choked, but I just saw a lot of really wonky play that game and a lot of questionable decision making.
On January 26 2012 11:05 Whomp wrote: This is vile.Chance and I want to explain a couple things about that game. The biggest issue was was a week prior to this I had went from using the backspace method of injecting to using camera locations, however I use a really complex system of using shift q w e s d and alt q w e a s d to make the locations. Mid way through the game I simply forgot how to inject, my flow was ruined and gumiho started harassing me constantly.
The pressure a code S terran coupled with the fact that I simply did not how to use my hotkeys anymore led to the game you saw. I know excuses don't belong in pro gaming and I'm playing MUCH better now that I've had some time to be more comfortable with them.
I felt like your roach play and transition to really late mutas was kind of bizarre, is that your standard vT style or did you just get caught up in your lead and decide to try and end the game early. I think that had you gone Mutas earlier and just played somewhat standard with that massive lead, you may have faired much better. Once again, it could just be that you were uncomfortable going into a long game with unfamiliar hotkeys, and saw a chance to take out a Code S Terran early on.
Either way, people have bad games, it was just disappointing seeing such a throw when I thought you could have had it.
I'm not sure if this is going to make sense to many people but when I play an important match my brain turns off and I go into flow usually any decision you see me make is just a practiced habit that came out naturally. This was not the case in the game vs Gumiho because when I tried to inject or jump to bases it simply did not happen. I was immediately taken out of the game and started doing whatever I could to end the game, all the blame falls on me because I offered to play in this clan war.
It can happen, even if it sucks badly for you. I guess what makes it hurt so much is how close you came. If you compare the guy before or after you you were definitly closest.
Sadly Gumiho is a code S player (deservedly) so if you give him an inch, he will come back and kill you.
Good luck in the future, i hope you can iron out those hitches so you can finish off games in the future.
On January 26 2012 10:59 tree.hugger wrote: I know how good GuMiho is, so it's hard to be even more impressed with him, but I really like what I saw from ChAnCe there.
I actually wasn't that impressed by Chance there, he made some massive misplayed and really threw that game hard. Getting a lead early can sometimes be chancy but maintaining that into a win is what counts in the end, he really really threw away the lead he got early and his overall play that game was a little disappointing. It may be because he choked, but I just saw a lot of really wonky play that game and a lot of questionable decision making.
On January 26 2012 11:05 Whomp wrote: This is vile.Chance and I want to explain a couple things about that game. The biggest issue was was a week prior to this I had went from using the backspace method of injecting to using camera locations, however I use a really complex system of using shift q w e s d and alt q w e a s d to make the locations. Mid way through the game I simply forgot how to inject, my flow was ruined and gumiho started harassing me constantly.
The pressure a code S terran coupled with the fact that I simply did not how to use my hotkeys anymore led to the game you saw. I know excuses don't belong in pro gaming and I'm playing MUCH better now that I've had some time to be more comfortable with them.
I felt like your roach play and transition to really late mutas was kind of bizarre, is that your standard vT style or did you just get caught up in your lead and decide to try and end the game early. I think that had you gone Mutas earlier and just played somewhat standard with that massive lead, you may have faired much better. Once again, it could just be that you were uncomfortable going into a long game with unfamiliar hotkeys, and saw a chance to take out a Code S Terran early on.
Either way, people have bad games, it was just disappointing seeing such a throw when I thought you could have had it.
I'm not sure if this is going to make sense to many people but when I play an important match my brain turns off and I go into flow usually any decision you see me make is just a practiced habit that came out naturally. This was not the case in the game vs Gumiho because when I tried to inject or jump to bases it simply did not happen. I was immediately taken out of the game and started doing whatever I could to end the game, all the blame falls on me because I offered to play in this clan war.
Don't be too hard on yourself. You lost to one of the best TvZ players in the world, and a Ro16 Code S player. Furthermore, it was not like it was completely one-sided game either.
The reason why we keep sending out Zerg, because Hawk and Chance's favorite Matchup is ZvT, we have protoss and illusion as terran, our protoss players dislike PvT and as much as possible we save our T, so you guys might think theres no logic behind it with comments such as "logically keep sending zergs" you guys just dont know ^^
On January 26 2012 11:19 Stealth. wrote: The reason why we keep sending out Zerg, because Hawk and Chance's favorite Matchup is ZvT, we have protoss and illusion as terran, our protoss players dislike PvT and as much as possible we save our T, so you guys might think theres no logic behind it with comments such as "logically keep sending zergs" you guys just dont know ^^
On January 26 2012 11:19 Stealth. wrote: The reason why we keep sending out Zerg, because Hawk and Chance's favorite Matchup is ZvT, we have protoss and illusion as terran, our protoss players dislike PvT and as much as possible we save our T, so you guys might think theres no logic behind it with comments such as "logically keep sending zergs" you guys just dont know ^^
It just seems sending out zergs against gumiho is counter-intuitive. I guess you guys decided to play to your own players strengths rather than your opponents weaknesses which is fine it just sucks watching a bunch of good zergs lose simply because gumiho is a god at TvZ.
On January 26 2012 11:19 Stealth. wrote: The reason why we keep sending out Zerg, because Hawk and Chance's favorite Matchup is ZvT, we have protoss and illusion as terran, our protoss players dislike PvT and as much as possible we save our T, so you guys might think theres no logic behind it with comments such as "logically keep sending zergs" you guys just dont know ^^
It just seems sending out zergs against gumiho is counter-intuitive. I guess you guys decided to play to your own players strengths rather than your opponents weaknesses which is fine it just sucks watching a bunch of good zergs lose simply because gumiho is a god at TvZ.
Yeah, it was more because we all know Gumiho is a Code-S Terran with a 69% win-rate in Korea against Zerg (his best match up). 2-1 Zenio, 2-1 Yugioh, 1-0 Morrow/1-0 DRG/1-0 Yugioh. His TvP is 65% and his worst is TvT @ 47%.
As good as Hawk/Chance are, I think you guys should have played State earlier (or a Terran... wtf is Kang?) because he is damn good. But he's your Ace player isn't he...? I could sort of understand then.
State has a lead in every way but ups, if he got a double forge to rebound from +armor getting snipe he's have a nearly insurmountable hold on this game.
On January 26 2012 11:19 Stealth. wrote: The reason why we keep sending out Zerg, because Hawk and Chance's favorite Matchup is ZvT, we have protoss and illusion as terran, our protoss players dislike PvT and as much as possible we save our T, so you guys might think theres no logic behind it with comments such as "logically keep sending zergs" you guys just dont know ^^
It just seems sending out zergs against gumiho is counter-intuitive. I guess you guys decided to play to your own players strengths rather than your opponents weaknesses which is fine it just sucks watching a bunch of good zergs lose simply because gumiho is a god at TvZ.
Yeah, it was more because we all know Gumiho is a Code-S Terran with a 69% win-rate in Korea against Zerg (his best match up). 2-1 Zenio, 2-1 Yugioh, 1-0 Morrow/1-0 DRG/1-0 Yugioh. His TvP is 65% and his worst is TvT @ 47%.
As good as Hawk/Chance are, I think you guys should have played State earlier (or a Terran... wtf is Kang?) because he is damn good. But he's your Ace player isn't he...? I could sort of understand then.
Um ye, who is Kang exactly? He is quite good from my encounters with him on ladder, but he's not in the teamlisting in the OP and I never remember seeing a thread of you guys acquiring a new T...
Hey guys loving the IPL TAC2 so far, really awesome games and more to come.
One nitpick, could you have your sound crew adjust the gain or whatever on the caster mics?
With my speakers at a volume where I can hear them clearly when speaking normally, getting my ears blown out every time something exciting goes down and an "OH. MY. GOD." exchange goes on isn't really very cool...
That's what occurs when you can't micro bio tvp. Should've gone for a two base 1-1-1 contain or a 1-1-1 cloakshee, you need to gamble in these situations.
On January 26 2012 11:36 Spartan wrote: vileKang is our ace player.
Really? Excited to see him play I've never heard of him before aside from ladder, Domorin didn't seem to think he was part of the team though, said HannibalPrime was using that account, is he a new pickup?
On January 26 2012 11:36 Spartan wrote: vileKang is our ace player.
Really? Excited to see him play I've never heard of him before aside from ladder, Domorin didn't seem to think he was part of the team though, said HannibalPrime was using that account, is he a new pickup?
Would you be offended if we picked up the whole team that is Prime?
On January 26 2012 11:36 Spartan wrote: vileKang is our ace player.
Really? Excited to see him play I've never heard of him before aside from ladder, Domorin didn't seem to think he was part of the team though, said HannibalPrime was using that account, is he a new pickup?
Would you be offended if we picked up the whole team that is Prime?
On January 26 2012 11:36 Spartan wrote: vileKang is our ace player.
Really? Excited to see him play I've never heard of him before aside from ladder, Domorin didn't seem to think he was part of the team though, said HannibalPrime was using that account, is he a new pickup?
Would you be offended if we picked up the whole team that is Prime?
On January 26 2012 11:36 Spartan wrote: vileKang is our ace player.
Really? Excited to see him play I've never heard of him before aside from ladder, Domorin didn't seem to think he was part of the team though, said HannibalPrime was using that account, is he a new pickup?
Would you be offended if we picked up the whole team that is Prime?
picked up as in straight up bought? That's pretty big news.
On January 26 2012 11:48 jeeneeus wrote: Dear Spartan, Please stop getting more pick ups and possibly picking up Prime. The bigger Vile gets, the harder it becomes for me to join the team.
On January 26 2012 11:50 blade55555 wrote: lol the casters must not have noticed the mis blink. All his stalkers but 2 blinked into choya's army xD
Pretty sure he decided to GG before that.
He blinked two out; Choya's threw down a FF down to keep the other Stalkers away from the ledge.
State walks towards Choya; then blinks right on top of him. It would be one of the weirdest misclick I've ever seen (if he hadn't walked his stalkers up I might buy it).
On January 26 2012 11:50 blade55555 wrote: lol the casters must not have noticed the mis blink. All his stalkers but 2 blinked into choya's army xD
Pretty sure he decided to GG before that.
He blinked two out; Choya's threw down a FF down to keep the other Stalkers away from the ledge.
State walks towards Choya; then blinks right on top of him. It would be one of the weirdest misclick I've ever seen (if he hadn't walked his stalkers up I might buy it).
well I mean I am pretty sure he was going to blink all his stalkers down, but was out of range due to the FF. I could be wrong not sure what blink does when it can't go down something like that but I just know he gg'd when his blink stalkers blinked into the army.
On January 26 2012 11:50 blade55555 wrote: lol the casters must not have noticed the mis blink. All his stalkers but 2 blinked into choya's army xD
Pretty sure he decided to GG before that.
He blinked two out; Choya's threw down a FF down to keep the other Stalkers away from the ledge.
State walks towards Choya; then blinks right on top of him. It would be one of the weirdest misclick I've ever seen (if he hadn't walked his stalkers up I might buy it).
well I mean I am pretty sure he was going to blink all his stalkers down, but was out of range due to the FF. I could be wrong not sure what blink does when it can't go down something like that but I just know he gg'd when his blink stalkers blinked into the army.
They would have blinked onto the FF and had half his stalkers stuck on the ledge. It's not like shift moving; where they would try to walk around to where you told them.
If you tell units to blink somewhere they can't; they just blink as far/close as they can (also happens if you don't have room to fit enough stalkers on the other side of whatever you're trying to bilnk across).
He might have been thinking of walking his stalkers over to the pocket third to blink down and just decided, I'm losing too much - blaze-of-glory-gg!
At least, that's my take; maybe he did just screw up.
why not focus the mara T____T If Illusion could have taken out the probes instead of going back with only 1 marauder =/ Hope this still ends in vile's favor gogo 1 more match
That was really impressive: marine splits, check; target firing weakened mutas, check; getting the perfect drop timing to stop the spire, check check check.
I didn't see any impressive Marine micro there, it was all Lucky doing weird stuff like moving forward with his banes, then pulling back for no reason letting the Tanks kill them all for free, moving away Zerglings when he had the Tanks surrounded and could kill them etc. I don't know if it was lag or what, but it was really strange.
On January 26 2012 12:24 sitromit wrote: I didn't see any impressive Marine micro there, it was all Lucky doing weird stuff like moving forward with his banes, then pulling back for no reason letting the Tanks kill them all for free, moving away Zerglings when he had the Tanks surrounded and could kill them etc. I don't know if it was lag or what, but it was really strange.
i suggest you rewatch the game or watch illusion's stream.
On January 26 2012 12:24 sitromit wrote: I didn't see any impressive Marine micro there, it was all Lucky doing weird stuff like moving forward with his banes, then pulling back for no reason letting the Tanks kill them all for free, moving away Zerglings when he had the Tanks surrounded and could kill them etc. I don't know if it was lag or what, but it was really strange.
It's lag, FXOBoss was talking about it before in this thread.
He claimed they were suffering from 2 second lag which is a bit hard to believe, but considering the performance.... I mean... Gumiho, Choya, and Lucky all had pretty bad micro which isn't characteristic of Code S players.
On January 26 2012 12:24 sitromit wrote: I didn't see any impressive Marine micro there, it was all Lucky doing weird stuff like moving forward with his banes, then pulling back for no reason letting the Tanks kill them all for free, moving away Zerglings when he had the Tanks surrounded and could kill them etc. I don't know if it was lag or what, but it was really strange.
It's lag, FXOBoss was talking about it before in this thread.
He claimed they were suffering from 2 second lag which is a bit hard to believe, but considering the performance.... I mean... Gumiho, Choya, and Lucky all had pretty bad micro which isn't characteristic of Code S players.
Here's the tweet, from just before these games.
@FXOpeneSports FXOpen e-Sports Bliz needs to do something about cross server lag with all these cross server team leagues going on
On January 26 2012 12:28 Badfatpanda wrote: LOL, FXO drops asd in a TvT, shit just got real, hope this isn't too painful =(
I would say Vile has already surpassed most people's expectations, taking off 3 games from FXO's A-team. Who knows though? Illusion 3-0 Demuslim a few weeks back to qualify for IEM Sao Paulo. He might pull another upset.
On January 26 2012 12:29 -Jacob- wrote: If you are going to join a team league or tournament on a different server other than your own, you shouldn't be blaming your losses on lag.
On January 26 2012 12:29 -Jacob- wrote: If you are going to join a team league or tournament on a different server other than your own, you shouldn't be blaming your losses on lag.
Please point me to where we blamed lag for losses? There was questions on why certain things were happening and we responded. I don't see how that is blaming lag for losses
If it is as bad as FXO is claiming then they either need better internet or they just need to man up. So many people players play cross server (Illusion plays on KR ladder and Europe) and he does just fine.
On January 26 2012 12:30 Megatronn wrote: Didn't Jinro make a thread explaining that the lag isn't that bad?
the liquid guys all made those to try to make tsl seem more legitimate, they then complained when egmcs rules didnt allow them to play matches on korea. the latency is pretty bad most of the time.
On January 26 2012 12:30 Megatronn wrote: Didn't Jinro make a thread explaining that the lag isn't that bad?
the liquid guys all made those to try to make tsl seem more legitimate, they then complained when egmcs rules didnt allow them to play matches on korea. the latency is pretty bad most of the time.
On January 26 2012 12:30 Megatronn wrote: Didn't Jinro make a thread explaining that the lag isn't that bad?
the liquid guys all made those to try to make tsl seem more legitimate, they then complained when egmcs rules didnt allow them to play matches on korea. the latency is pretty bad most of the time.
Interesting.
Could anyone tell me if it's worse then the delay you get playing on the US servers from EU?
On January 26 2012 12:30 Megatronn wrote: Didn't Jinro make a thread explaining that the lag isn't that bad?
the liquid guys all made those to try to make tsl seem more legitimate, they then complained when egmcs rules didnt allow them to play matches on korea. the latency is pretty bad most of the time.
Interesting.
Could anyone tell me if it's worse then the delay you get playing on the US servers from EU?
On January 26 2012 12:30 Megatronn wrote: Didn't Jinro make a thread explaining that the lag isn't that bad?
the liquid guys all made those to try to make tsl seem more legitimate, they then complained when egmcs rules didnt allow them to play matches on korea. the latency is pretty bad most of the time.
Interesting.
Could anyone tell me if it's worse then the delay you get playing on the US servers from EU?
depends on where you live, how good your internet is and what the routing is like to wherever the server is located
On January 26 2012 12:30 Megatronn wrote: Didn't Jinro make a thread explaining that the lag isn't that bad?
the liquid guys all made those to try to make tsl seem more legitimate, they then complained when egmcs rules didnt allow them to play matches on korea. the latency is pretty bad most of the time.
Interesting.
Could anyone tell me if it's worse then the delay you get playing on the US servers from EU?
It's worse.
Unless you're like BratOk all the way from Russia then I'd say it's even.... I still remember seeing the humongous difference between his play in NASL and his play in LANs.
Don't quote me on that though because I'm not entrely sure...
I think asd went for cloak only after scanning to reveal a bio open from Illusion, kinda a cool build thought, koreans are going fast 2nd refinery into early expo tech more and more TvT
On Kr Na lag, the straight up latency is something that sucks, but it's something you kinda get used to. Regardless of that, it's still not that great, but what REALLY blows is the random as fuck lag spikes that happen sometimes that make the game nearly unplayable and can last as little as a few seconds to a couple games. They come out of nowhere too, nothing else running, not even another browser and nobody else on the connection etc...
On January 26 2012 12:30 Megatronn wrote: Didn't Jinro make a thread explaining that the lag isn't that bad?
the liquid guys all made those to try to make tsl seem more legitimate, they then complained when egmcs rules didnt allow them to play matches on korea. the latency is pretty bad most of the time.
Liquid` complained when EGMCS didn't use the process for choosing maps that the TSL used. There wasn't any inconsistency, Liquid` always advocated for the use of all servers, not just NA. By that time, you were back in NA, so naturally the argument was less appealing.
With regards to the latency, most people seem to agree that it goes in and out, sometimes it's awful and sometimes it's fine. It also depends on what IP you have, some are much better than others for playing cross server. This is second hand information, but I've heard it from many many people.
On January 26 2012 12:42 vndods wrote: bad decision there T_____T . WAIT WHAT?
Better ups, more medivacs, and he needed to take that center point, even with a sensor tower going in from 2 or 3 sides is better on Antiga, but with his econ advantage, mid would be game.
On January 26 2012 12:30 Megatronn wrote: Didn't Jinro make a thread explaining that the lag isn't that bad?
the liquid guys all made those to try to make tsl seem more legitimate, they then complained when egmcs rules didnt allow them to play matches on korea. the latency is pretty bad most of the time.
Liquid` complained when EGMCS didn't use the process for choosing maps that the TSL used. There wasn't any inconsistency, Liquid` always advocated for the use of all servers, not just NA. By that time, you were back in NA, so naturally the argument was less appealing.
With regards to the latency, most people seem to agree that it goes in and out, sometimes it's awful and sometimes it's fine. It also depends on what IP you have, some are much better than others for playing cross server. This is second hand information, but I've heard it from many many people.
during tsl they said the latency wasnt a big issue at all map system shouldntve been a big deal then? just play everything on na since theres no disadvantage!
not the place to have an argument about whats fair, there is no fair for cross server play. but there most obviously is a disadvantage.
He needs to scout asd's fourth, not sure why he didn't have a rine there, but I'm really impressed with his play. However the marine control is playing a big part in this game so far so lag's definitely a factor =(.
omg, saving that stimmed marine that was scouting at 12
not exactly micro, but well, we're 27 mins into the game now, not everyone pays attention to a single scouting marine while macroing and microing all the way
Supply is not as much of a factor on this map TvT as positioning. Seriously asd was at a 60 supply disadvantage but snaked his siege line up to defend his expo and take the middle with a single viking and good timing. Stop using supply as an end all measure.
Even though Illusion lost this, he definitely won a fan in me with that play. Playing a Code S TvT and coming within inches of winning is definitely not something most foreigners can do. Look for that man in the future!
SCV executed, lined up on the wall and slaughtered... This game looked a lot like a young, energic, eager student against his patient, hardened, wise master who is teaching him the true way of the warrior.
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On January 26 2012 12:59 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Pretty sure that was the hardest Asd has ever had to try in a game to win -.- Would have still lost if Illusion hadnt gotten impatient.
Sad to see Vile loose, but im happy they were able to put a valiant effort up. Many doubted their qualification for this league but i think they definitely deserve to be here. Great potential! Hope to see them do well in the losers bracket =)
On January 26 2012 12:56 -Jacob- wrote: Vile defiantly underrated. For everyone who was saying FXO was going to AK or win 5-1 were completely wrong. Vile put up a great fight!
To be honest, if Choya didn't choose a headscratcher of a build, it might have been a 5-1.
Illusion was very impressive, although the play from the FXO guys was sloppy to say the least.
Wow the foreigner teams have been doing really well(despite losing). I only caught the first 2 and last game but I felt all three Vile should have won if they had just kept it together. This easily could have gone to Vile. Vile just earned a fan in me!
Illusion so good. Sad he couldn't finish it off and force an epic showdown with Leenock, but he's only gonna keep getting better, learning from his experiences, AND hes only 15 !!!
On January 26 2012 13:00 NuclearJudas wrote: Not a surprising end result. Illusion looked great, though. Might have attracted some big teams. Will be interesting to see if he's picked up.
Why? I always liked vile, mainly because of hashe and ddoro, but I thought they were something like LighT, not a real contender for any team league, but they are looking really great.
Stop PMing me bout the GG timing. I was just stressed and can't believe I lost a game I had in my hands. I wasn't trying to be BM, just realizing the situation
On January 26 2012 12:59 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Pretty sure that was the hardest Asd has ever had to try in a game to win -.- Would have still lost if Illusion hadnt gotten impatient.
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On January 26 2012 13:04 vileIllusion wrote: Stop PMing me bout the GG timing. I was just stressed and can't believe I lost a game I had in my hands. I wasn't trying to be BM, just realizing the situation
Forget those haters man, you had a amazing run. I'm sorry that you could not capitalize, but today you played so well and have made many new fans. Look at the earlier pages in this thread, with people joking about FXO being unbeatable and Vile getting all-killed. Today you and your team showed the world that Vile is a top foreign team, one that fights to the very end, and can stand toe-to-toe with Korean A-teamers.
On January 26 2012 13:07 Ruscour wrote: Give FXO some credit for winning guys, c'mon :D
Congrats to FXO of course, but I guess it's all perception and expectations. People expected a 5-0 or 5-1, but instead FXO had to fight for their win, and were nearly forced into an ace match against a team that some people even felt did not belong in their tournament at all. Still, good job playing through the lag and everything.
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
No, they have no chance.
FXO have one of the absolute best players in the world in Leenock. They also have multiple Code S level players like Oz, Gumiho and Lucky and solid Code A players like Asd, TheBest and Choya.
Even Moonan is better than most players on Vile.
Vile don't even have any player you could consider top NA players, nevermind top foreigners nevermind being able to compete against Code S level players.
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
^Gumiho is currently in the ro16 for Code S January, beating out players like Leenock, Idra, and Fin. You've got to be kidding bro
Yes... I am aware of his current success in the GSL, but if he loses, I will be the first to say "I told you so"...
Cool, you're one of those guys who makes really absurd predictions so that on the off chance you're right (when you're wrong 95% of the time) you can bump that one post and feel smart.
On January 26 2012 13:04 vileIllusion wrote: Stop PMing me bout the GG timing. I was just stressed and can't believe I lost a game I had in my hands. I wasn't trying to be BM, just realizing the situation
Never GG. There are so many times where it looks like you've lost the game but you always manage a way to find a way back in it.
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
No, they have no chance.
FXO have one of the absolute best players in the world in Leenock. They also have multiple Code S level players like Oz, Gumiho and Lucky and solid Code A players like Asd, TheBest and Choya.
Even Moonan is better than most players on Vile.
Vile don't even have any player you could consider top NA players, nevermind top foreigners nevermind being able to compete against Code S level players.
They are going to get flat out destroyed.
On January 26 2012 06:49 NKexquisite wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:46 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:39 Bagration wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
Gumiho is leagues above anyone in Vile.
On January 26 2012 07:03 NKexquisite wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:52 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:49 NKexquisite wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:46 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:39 Bagration wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
^Gumiho is currently in the ro16 for Code S January, beating out players like Leenock, Idra, and Fin. You've got to be kidding bro
Yes... I am aware of his current success in the GSL, but if he loses, I will be the first to say "I told you so"...
Cool, you're one of those guys who makes really absurd predictions so that on the off chance you're right (when you're wrong 95% of the time) you can bump that one post and feel smart.
Where are you guys now?
Lol In fairness, very few could have foreseen this result. Vile has come a long way, and I am very happy at the progress that this team has made over the past few months. You fought hard and forced FXO to give it their all. Best of luck to Team Vile and finish strong!
seems like vile rested spanishiwa to snipe leenock in an ace match... looking at it how it went, it was a bad decision not to use their hands down best player
On January 26 2012 13:33 Kira__ wrote: seems like vile rested spanishiwa to snipe leenock in an ace match... looking at it how it went, it was a bad decision not to use their hands down best player
Vile has some seriously charged players. They play and attack with vigor and eagerness. That goes a long way, but as we saw in the last match it can also lead so some nasty and regrettable losses. Team leagues are such a thrill! I think it taught a few of us that much more goes into a team league match than the pedigrees of the individuals who make up the teams. It is a competition that requires great spirit. Confidence and desire can take a player considerable lengths, especially against a certain type of Korean player that values patience and conservatism.
I have been loving the TAC (and my favorite matchups haven't even arrived yet) but I haven't been wholly satisfied with the casting. They have a very healthy rapport, so it's never hard to listen to them, but their calls are often misdirected or innacurate. Someone mentioned this earlier, and I would like to reiterate: there is much too large of a focus on supply count in the casting. Before and after every engagement (and about every three minutes otherwise) the viewer's attention is directed to the supply count as if it is the number by which we can tell who is ahead. I would urge both of the casters not to use it so readily unless there is a major or unusual discrepancy. It shouldn't come up more than two or three times in a game. We can see which army is larger. Even if you're getting into numbers, the units tab is more effective (a huge weakness of the supply count as army measurement is that it includes units in production but not out on the field.) I felt like it was a cop out tool: whenever the casters felt pressed to assess the position of each player in the game, they would refer to it. As casters you don't have to constantly assess who is ahead, but rather give context to the actions of the players, and knowing who is holding some type of absolute lead at any point is not necessary to doing that. It led to a lot of bad calls being made that were immediately proven wrong by the actions of the players. The casting really led to some confused situations for me as a viewer, the tension between wanting to believe that the casters are some type of authorities on the game while watching their predictions completely fall apart. Of course I understand that the caster is not going to be right every time, so maybe they shouldn't be constantly trying to be right and using imprecise data like supply count to back it up.
On January 26 2012 13:37 Itsmedudeman wrote: Illusion used to be on oGs and did decently in the KSL so I'm not too surprised he got a few kills. In fact, he 2-0'd leenock.
There are two illusions, this comes up at every MLG that VileIllusion plays in
On January 26 2012 13:33 Kira__ wrote: seems like vile rested spanishiwa to snipe leenock in an ace match... looking at it how it went, it was a bad decision not to use their hands down best player
On January 26 2012 13:33 Kira__ wrote: seems like vile rested spanishiwa to snipe leenock in an ace match... looking at it how it went, it was a bad decision not to use their hands down best player
Gumiho is in ro16 but there is a reason all the players wanted to pick him. He played like shit and still got to round of 16 cause his opponents played even worse somehow. Granted, he is still good, just not really "great" and you can't use ro16 code s as saying he's really good.
On January 26 2012 13:33 Kira__ wrote: seems like vile rested spanishiwa to snipe leenock in an ace match... looking at it how it went, it was a bad decision not to use their hands down best player
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
No, they have no chance.
FXO have one of the absolute best players in the world in Leenock. They also have multiple Code S level players like Oz, Gumiho and Lucky and solid Code A players like Asd, TheBest and Choya.
Even Moonan is better than most players on Vile.
Vile don't even have any player you could consider top NA players, nevermind top foreigners nevermind being able to compete against Code S level players.
They are going to get flat out destroyed.
On January 26 2012 06:49 NKexquisite wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:46 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:39 Bagration wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
Gumiho is leagues above anyone in Vile.
On January 26 2012 07:03 NKexquisite wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:52 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:49 NKexquisite wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:46 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:39 Bagration wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
^Gumiho is currently in the ro16 for Code S January, beating out players like Leenock, Idra, and Fin. You've got to be kidding bro
Yes... I am aware of his current success in the GSL, but if he loses, I will be the first to say "I told you so"...
Cool, you're one of those guys who makes really absurd predictions so that on the off chance you're right (when you're wrong 95% of the time) you can bump that one post and feel smart.
Where are you guys now?
In case you missed it FXO won.
The format of winners league allows you to consistently send out your players in their best match-up on the best possible map for that matchup.
Add to that Vile is a full NA team playing Koreans on the NA server.
This is also the World Cup final for Vile, aside from Illusion who played on an MLG sunday this is the biggest games they've ever played where FXO are busy training for their Code S games and/or helping their teammates train for them.
If you can't take a game in your best matchup, likely your opponents worst on your map choice when he's cross server and you're not when are you going to win?
And yet FXO still didn't have to play Leenock or Oz.
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
No, they have no chance.
FXO have one of the absolute best players in the world in Leenock. They also have multiple Code S level players like Oz, Gumiho and Lucky and solid Code A players like Asd, TheBest and Choya.
Even Moonan is better than most players on Vile.
Vile don't even have any player you could consider top NA players, nevermind top foreigners nevermind being able to compete against Code S level players.
They are going to get flat out destroyed.
On January 26 2012 06:49 NKexquisite wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:46 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:39 Bagration wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
Gumiho is leagues above anyone in Vile.
On January 26 2012 07:03 NKexquisite wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:52 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:49 NKexquisite wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:46 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:39 Bagration wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
^Gumiho is currently in the ro16 for Code S January, beating out players like Leenock, Idra, and Fin. You've got to be kidding bro
Yes... I am aware of his current success in the GSL, but if he loses, I will be the first to say "I told you so"...
Cool, you're one of those guys who makes really absurd predictions so that on the off chance you're right (when you're wrong 95% of the time) you can bump that one post and feel smart.
Where are you guys now?
In case you missed it FXO won.
The format of winners league allows you to consistently send out your players in their best match-up on the best possible map for that matchup.
Add to that Vile is a full NA team playing Koreans on the NA server.
This is also the World Cup final for Vile, aside from Illusion who played on an MLG sunday this is the biggest games they've ever played where FXO are busy training for their Code S games and/or helping their teammates train for them.
If you can't take a game in your best matchup, likely your opponents worst on your map choice when he's cross server and you're not when are you going to win?
And yet FXO still didn't have to play Leenock or Oz.
It's funny to see how you failed to incorporate all these factors before judging that vile has no chance.
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
No, they have no chance.
FXO have one of the absolute best players in the world in Leenock. They also have multiple Code S level players like Oz, Gumiho and Lucky and solid Code A players like Asd, TheBest and Choya.
Even Moonan is better than most players on Vile.
Vile don't even have any player you could consider top NA players, nevermind top foreigners nevermind being able to compete against Code S level players.
They are going to get flat out destroyed.
On January 26 2012 06:49 NKexquisite wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:46 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:39 Bagration wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
Gumiho is leagues above anyone in Vile.
On January 26 2012 07:03 NKexquisite wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:52 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:49 NKexquisite wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:46 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:39 Bagration wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
^Gumiho is currently in the ro16 for Code S January, beating out players like Leenock, Idra, and Fin. You've got to be kidding bro
Yes... I am aware of his current success in the GSL, but if he loses, I will be the first to say "I told you so"...
Cool, you're one of those guys who makes really absurd predictions so that on the off chance you're right (when you're wrong 95% of the time) you can bump that one post and feel smart.
Where are you guys now?
In case you missed it FXO won.
The format of winners league allows you to consistently send out your players in their best match-up on the best possible map for that matchup.
Add to that Vile is a full NA team playing Koreans on the NA server.
This is also the World Cup final for Vile, aside from Illusion who played on an MLG sunday this is the biggest games they've ever played where FXO are busy training for their Code S games and/or helping their teammates train for them.
If you can't take a game in your best matchup, likely your opponents worst on your map choice when he's cross server and you're not when are you going to win?
And yet FXO still didn't have to play Leenock or Oz.
God, This is why I hate when foreigners are playing Koreans online its a no win situation. If they win people will say its online koreans had lag, bad map horrible timezones etc.
You cant win.
And the funny thing is that every great foreigner player started in there online cup beating top foreigners and koreans. Stephano, Nerchio, MaNa, Kas comes to mind.
But still people say online means nothing well it obviously does. Do great online over a time periode and you will do great offline after some time..
Vile might not be fan favourites. But they have ALWAYS been a consistent team. State is one of the most underrated foreign players in the scene. I met him at MLG and since then have been a fan.
Anyone saying this would have been a 'walk over' considering not only viles strength, but FXO's own weaknesses (Lag, timezone, player schedule for gsl etc) it was a pretty close.
But we respected them for the team they are and played the likes of gumiho and asd, because VILE is a good team.
You guys saying vile aren't good need to really learn more about the teams in competitions.
On January 26 2012 15:37 FXOpen wrote: Vile might not be fan favourites. But they have ALWAYS been a consistent team. State is one of the most underrated foreign players in the scene. I met him at MLG and since then have been a fan.
Anyone saying this would have been a 'walk over' considering not only viles strength, but FXO's own weaknesses (Lag, timezone, player schedule for gsl etc) it was a pretty close.
But we respected them for the team they are and played the likes of gumiho and asd, because VILE is a good team.
You guys saying vile aren't good need to really learn more about the teams in competitions.
What's your opinion on the Korean vs. Foreigner online lag situation? Does playing online typically favor foreigners more than Koreans due to the servers used? Your post seems to imply that it does, since you listed "lag" as one of FXO's weaknesses.
On January 26 2012 15:37 FXOpen wrote: Vile might not be fan favourites. But they have ALWAYS been a consistent team. State is one of the most underrated foreign players in the scene. I met him at MLG and since then have been a fan.
Anyone saying this would have been a 'walk over' considering not only viles strength, but FXO's own weaknesses (Lag, timezone, player schedule for gsl etc) it was a pretty close.
But we respected them for the team they are and played the likes of gumiho and asd, because VILE is a good team.
You guys saying vile aren't good need to really learn more about the teams in competitions.
I dont like this sentence at all. You basically taking all of Vile victories away. You know you got a chance to have lag so dont complain about it. I dont even understand why you bring it up it sounds like a bad excuse.
Like I wrote the post ontop of yours its a no win situation for foreigners players by beating Koreans online cross-server. But thats maybe why the koreans chose to play cross-server?
Win/win situation but really sucks for the foreigner players.
If Illusion was smarter with his engagements he would absolutely slaughter asd. He needs to be a little more patient. His macro is absolutely insane though!
just finished watching the VODs and ahhh, so close from vile. the chance - gumiho and illusion - asd games were sad . hopefully the whole team can learn from those games and then advance further in the losers bracket. I think they have dignitas next, so that should be a fun series
Yeah great games from Illusion; I feel that he is the best Vile player. He just MKPed that last game with over aggression and not scouting out asd's expansions quickly enough.
On January 26 2012 15:37 FXOpen wrote: Vile might not be fan favourites. But they have ALWAYS been a consistent team. State is one of the most underrated foreign players in the scene. I met him at MLG and since then have been a fan.
Anyone saying this would have been a 'walk over' considering not only viles strength, but FXO's own weaknesses (Lag, timezone, player schedule for gsl etc) it was a pretty close.
But we respected them for the team they are and played the likes of gumiho and asd, because VILE is a good team.
You guys saying vile aren't good need to really learn more about the teams in competitions.
I dont like this sentence at all. You basically taking all of Vile victories away. You know you got a chance to have lag so dont complain about it. I dont even understand why you bring it up it sounds like a bad excuse.
Like I wrote the post ontop of yours its a no win situation for foreigners players by beating Koreans online cross-server. But thats maybe why the koreans chose to play cross-server?
Win/win situation but really sucks for the foreigner players.
Lag is a reality. Don't ignore it just because it "takes wins away". You also conveniently ignore this fact: Koreans typically perform more dominantly against foreigners in LAN tournaments than they do in online tournaments (obviously, I don't literally mean LAN, I just mean tournaments like MLG, IEM, or the GSL where players are in the same room and are thus on the same server). This trend has continued long enough for it to not be a coincidence: Lag is indeed a factor, and you can complain all you want about how it takes away from foreigner wins, but, hey, that's actually how it is, and if you don't want to accept it, then that's just too bad for you. With that said, Vile still made it quite a bit closer than I expected - when I saw Gumiho vs. State with the score 3-0, I expected a 5-0 sweep, but State and Illusion played very well.
On January 26 2012 15:37 FXOpen wrote: Vile might not be fan favourites. But they have ALWAYS been a consistent team. State is one of the most underrated foreign players in the scene. I met him at MLG and since then have been a fan.
Anyone saying this would have been a 'walk over' considering not only viles strength, but FXO's own weaknesses (Lag, timezone, player schedule for gsl etc) it was a pretty close.
But we respected them for the team they are and played the likes of gumiho and asd, because VILE is a good team.
You guys saying vile aren't good need to really learn more about the teams in competitions.
I dont like this sentence at all. You basically taking all of Vile victories away. You know you got a chance to have lag so dont complain about it. I dont even understand why you bring it up it sounds like a bad excuse.
Like I wrote the post ontop of yours its a no win situation for foreigners players by beating Koreans online cross-server. But thats maybe why the koreans chose to play cross-server?
Win/win situation but really sucks for the foreigner players.
Lag is a reality. Don't ignore it just because it "takes wins away". You also conveniently this fact: Koreans typically perform more dominantly against foreigners in LAN tournaments than they do in online tournaments (obviously, I don't literally mean LAN, I just mean tournaments like MLG, IEM, or the GSL where players are in the same room and are thus on the same server). This trend has continued long enough for it to not be a coincidence: Lag is indeed a factor, and you can complain all you want about how it takes away from foreigner wins, but, hey, that's actually how it is, and if you don't want to accept it, then that's just too bad for you. With that said, Vile still made it quite a bit closer than I expected - when I saw Gumiho vs. State with the score 3-0, I expected a 5-0 sweep, but State and Illusion played very well.
This + we knew it wouldn't be a clean sweep because Vile are a good team. Look at their qualification run.
I think the sourness is more to the underestimation of Vile than anything else. Anyone who plays against them know they are capable of beating anyone.
On January 26 2012 15:37 FXOpen wrote: Vile might not be fan favourites. But they have ALWAYS been a consistent team. State is one of the most underrated foreign players in the scene. I met him at MLG and since then have been a fan.
Anyone saying this would have been a 'walk over' considering not only viles strength, but FXO's own weaknesses (Lag, timezone, player schedule for gsl etc) it was a pretty close.
But we respected them for the team they are and played the likes of gumiho and asd, because VILE is a good team.
You guys saying vile aren't good need to really learn more about the teams in competitions.
Just watched the archived vod on twitch. Aside from the Fantasy GG timing by Illusion, his gameplay impressed me. He's really good for his age, and he's a foreigner which makes it even more impressive.
On January 26 2012 19:47 yoshi245 wrote: Just watched the archived vod on twitch. Aside from the Fantasy GG timing by Illusion, his gameplay impressed me. He's really good for his age, and he's a foreigner which makes it even more impressive.
Can you blame him though? He knew he had the game won, and was so close to forcing it to an ace match against a top Korean team. He also knew that if he lost, his team was done. That's fighting spirit, not BM.
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
No, they have no
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
^Gumiho is currently in the ro16 for Code S January, beating out players like Leenock, Idra, and Fin. You've got to be kidding bro
Yes... I am aware of his current success in the GSL, but if he loses, I will be the first to say "I told you so"...
Cool, you're one of those guys who makes really absurd predictions so that on the off chance you're right (when you're wrong 95% of the time) you can bump that one post and feel smart.
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
No, they have no chance.
FXO have one of the absolute best players in the world in Leenock. They also have multiple Code S level players like Oz, Gumiho and Lucky and solid Code A players like Asd, TheBest and Choya.
Even Moonan is better than most players on Vile.
Vile don't even have any player you could consider top NA players, nevermind top foreigners nevermind being able to compete against Code S level players.
They are going to get flat out destroyed.
On January 26 2012 06:49 NKexquisite wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:46 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:39 Bagration wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
Gumiho is leagues above anyone in Vile.
On January 26 2012 07:03 NKexquisite wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:52 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:49 NKexquisite wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:46 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:39 Bagration wrote:
On January 26 2012 06:33 Seraphone wrote: You are absolutely insane if you think Vile will win this.
I would give Vile a 20% chance. FXO has not looked invincible at all in these online Teamleagues. During the NASL Teamleague, FXO was forced to an ace match against Reign, which Lucky barely won 2-1 against Inori.
I do not think Vile will win, but I think Vile can win, and I hope for a Vile victory. From a business and marketing perspective, Vile has already won by qualifying for the TAC2, since it has put them right into the spotlight and has given them huge amounts of exposure as a team. If they can take 2 or 3 games (or maybe even more?) games off FXO, they would have exceeded the expectations of many in the community.
Go Vile!
Utter fanboyism. Vile has no answer for Leenock, Gumiho, Lucky, or Oz. We'll be watching sub code B players versus top level Code S.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell.
If FXO throws out Gumiho, I bet someone takes him out..
^Gumiho is currently in the ro16 for Code S January, beating out players like Leenock, Idra, and Fin. You've got to be kidding bro
Yes... I am aware of his current success in the GSL, but if he loses, I will be the first to say "I told you so"...
Cool, you're one of those guys who makes really absurd predictions so that on the off chance you're right (when you're wrong 95% of the time) you can bump that one post and feel smart.
Where are you guys now?
In case you missed it FXO won.
The format of winners league allows you to consistently send out your players in their best match-up on the best possible map for that matchup.
Add to that Vile is a full NA team playing Koreans on the NA server.
This is also the World Cup final for Vile, aside from Illusion who played on an MLG sunday this is the biggest games they've ever played where FXO are busy training for their Code S games and/or helping their teammates train for them.
If you can't take a game in your best matchup, likely your opponents worst on your map choice when he's cross server and you're not when are you going to win?
And yet FXO still didn't have to play Leenock or Oz.
Seriously? You posted earlier how Vile has no chance and would not be able to even take a game. That alone would not be a problem, as all of us have made wrong predictions. But trying to take away from vile's strong showing by using those excuses is a bit sad, don't you think? Your team won, but don't make a fool of yourself
On January 26 2012 13:04 vileIllusion wrote: Stop PMing me bout the GG timing. I was just stressed and can't believe I lost a game I had in my hands. I wasn't trying to be BM, just realizing the situation
All is ok. You played very well.
I wished you won, but still, great game. Even though I like Vile, I think you need to find a bigger team, go to Korea and kick some ass in GSL. You have a great future.
On January 27 2012 02:54 Yaki wrote: the kid is 16 years old and he beats lucky in a tvz
He turns 16 in March. He is one of the fastest rising stars in NA, along with Gatored. I hope to continue to see great things from him and his team for the rest of this tournament and at IEM Sao Paulo, which he qualifed for.
On January 26 2012 13:04 vileIllusion wrote: Stop PMing me bout the GG timing. I was just stressed and can't believe I lost a game I had in my hands. I wasn't trying to be BM, just realizing the situation
All is ok. You played very well.
I wished you won, but still, great game. Even though I like Vile, I think you need to find a bigger team, go to Korea and kick some ass in GSL. You have a great future.
You do understand that he is only 15 which means he is still in high school. Would your parents let you drop out to play video games full time in Korea where you have like a 30/70 chance at making it?
Nice job Illusion, would've been so epic if you forced an ace match, but every game is a learning experience and hope you make more waves in future! Good performance today!
On January 26 2012 13:04 vileIllusion wrote: Stop PMing me bout the GG timing. I was just stressed and can't believe I lost a game I had in my hands. I wasn't trying to be BM, just realizing the situation
All is ok. You played very well.
I wished you won, but still, great game. Even though I like Vile, I think you need to find a bigger team, go to Korea and kick some ass in GSL. You have a great future.
You do understand that he is only 15 which means he is still in high school. Would your parents let you drop out to play video games full time in Korea where you have like a 30/70 chance at making it?
Same as age Leenock was when he was in Code S then. Same age as Flash when he won a Star League.
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