ASUS ROG - Open letter regarding major tournament scheduling
Today Major League Gaming announced their plans for the beginning of the year 2012. To our surprise, MLG Winter Arena, a 32 player tournament with $ 26 000 prize pool, is scheduled right on top of ASUS ROG StarCraft II Tournament, which is held at ASSEMBLY Winter on 24.-25. February. This is not good news for anyone.
We are now checking the situation of already confirmed players, but rest assured, ASUS ROG StarCraft II Tournament will be played at ASSEMBLY Winter 2012. Even though a few unannounced but confirmed star quality players have withdrawn their commitment, we as the event organizers and our sponsors are still feeling very positive about the tournament.
To prevent overlapping events in the future, we are calling for a mutual forum where all major tournament organizers could talk about schedules. It would help the whole eSports scene - players, organizers, sponsors and spectators.
Stay tuned for more invited players to ASUS ROG StarCraft II Tournament. The show will go on.
I agree, what's the point in having a tournament if half of the best players can't attend because they're at ANOTHER huge tournament?
I think something else needs to be kept in mind though: There also needs to be a reasonable amount of accommodation, not an overwhelming. Tournaments should not be rescheduled so that EVERY event can have certain players. The GSL is probably one event that cannot be scheduled around, as I don't think they're going to change theirs for foreign tournaments.
Very needed for conflicts such as this imo. There's so many factors that matter, not only from a viewing perspective, but from player perspective and sponsor viewer projections when committing to sponsoring such events too.
I for one really hope something can be implemented to come to compromises, because while of course not every event can be completely accommodated to, I think right now we have enough room in the current foreseeable future to schedule these big tournaments much more wisely.
On January 20 2012 06:30 ssg wrote: Fuck an agreement. Let the best rise to the top. Competition is good for everyone.
So you want the there to only be 2 or 3 major tournaments? Say GSL, IEM and MLG only?
No more Dreamhack, HSC, Assembly, NASL (finals) and other various yearly/bi-yearly tournaments?
Competition requires that there be multiple events. We've already seen major improvements production, competition and prize money due to each of these events trying to bring out something bigger and better. Let that continue with as little burden on the players (and fans) having to choose who to attend.
It is just so hard to understand why this actually happens. Sundance said on Twitter that the MLG dates have been set for ages. Then why keep it such a secret for soooo long and risk things like this happening?
On January 20 2012 06:30 ssg wrote: Fuck an agreement. Let the best rise to the top. Competition is good for everyone.
GSL has been rescheduling their Code S groups so that players such as Huk and MC can participate in foreign events and play their GSL matches at an earlier/later date. Is that what you want, GOM be a dick and only care about their own tournaments? Didn't think so.
Great initiative, I hope something good will come out of this.
On January 20 2012 06:41 TripTrip wrote: It is just so hard to understand why this actually happens. Sundance said on Twitter that the MLG dates have been set for ages. Then why keep it such a secret for soooo long and risk things like this happening?
On January 20 2012 06:41 TripTrip wrote: It is just so hard to understand why this actually happens. Sundance said on Twitter that the MLG dates have been set for ages. Then why keep it such a secret for soooo long and risk things like this happening?
To accommodate the hype I guess. :/
Keeping it from viewers I can understand. But like the original post says, there needs to be a forum where organizers can share their planned dates as early as they can, to avoid things like this happening
On January 20 2012 06:41 TripTrip wrote: It is just so hard to understand why this actually happens. Sundance said on Twitter that the MLG dates have been set for ages. Then why keep it such a secret for soooo long and risk things like this happening?
To accommodate the hype I guess. :/
Keeping it from viewers I can understand. But like the original post says, there needs to be a forum where organizers can share their planned dates as early as they can, to avoid things like this happening
An unofficial Calendar should be Great from all events organization to be sure we won't be at same dates. That should be shared for everyone who want to organize Events.
I'm really curious if either tournament organizers actually tried to contact eachother when they had actually set their dates in stone but before they released them to the public. Clearly MLG comes off much worse here as Asus has had their dates out there for a while, but this is a two way street and things do get booked before they're announced.
On January 20 2012 06:41 TripTrip wrote: It is just so hard to understand why this actually happens. Sundance said on Twitter that the MLG dates have been set for ages. Then why keep it such a secret for soooo long and risk things like this happening?
Do you think MLG gives a damn about what ASUS does? MLG knows that they are the much better run and much more popular league. They aren't going to let someone smaller than them affect what they do.
On January 20 2012 06:41 TripTrip wrote: It is just so hard to understand why this actually happens. Sundance said on Twitter that the MLG dates have been set for ages. Then why keep it such a secret for soooo long and risk things like this happening?
To accommodate the hype I guess. :/
Agreed. There's nothing wrong with keeping those dates from the public. However the major tournament organizers should have some amount of communication with each other about these events. (I know that the dates for Assembly winter have been "known" for several months already.) I also assume that MLG has made their reservations already several months ago also.
I think this is an unfortunate situation and I'm a bit surprised it hasn't happened more often (GSL has done a good job of trying to keep their tournaments separate).
I'm not quite sure how I feel about players withdrawing their commitments... =/
I thought something like this would happen when IEM last year before Providence I think had players split where they wanted to go. Glad to see it happening.
this should have been done before. it's gonna be very hard to persuade the big dog. especially at this point of the year where everyone is pretty much done with everything and just prepping up the announcement.
I wonder how much intel MLG actually collected before they made their final decission about the date. It is easy to say "we try our best to avoid conflicts with other tournaments..." but when it comes to actions, the world looks completely different. Communication can be stressful and time intensive, but the scene as a whole just HAS TO WORK together. This isn`t just an option. If we fail to do so, everyone will take damage and as simple as it is, make less money.
So Please, please, please - with sugar on top: do the extra step and work together.
With Starcraft 2 entering a new year, I think it is down to organizers who want to plan a large event, to see if there are any events that took place in 2011 around the same time and check to see if they are going to be happening again.
Im sure that Assembly Winter '11 happened long before MLG decided they wanted to have their own winter event. How much time does it take for someone to think "Hmmm there was quite a large event in February 2011, maybe we should check with the team that organized it if they are hoping to do the same thing in 2012" And if they find out that there is, I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard for them to come to an agreement on who hosts their event on what weekend.
On January 20 2012 06:41 TripTrip wrote: It is just so hard to understand why this actually happens. Sundance said on Twitter that the MLG dates have been set for ages. Then why keep it such a secret for soooo long and risk things like this happening?
Do you think MLG gives a damn about what ASUS does? MLG knows that they are the much better run and much more popular league. They aren't going to let someone smaller than them affect what they do.
How can u think like that, thats just dumb -,- actually, the ASUS tournaments were really, really good. they SHOULD care. doesnt matter, ill watch both anyway
I wonder what the lead time for booking the venues is. Seems like that would be a good time for a "soft" announcement of sorts. I mean, I doubt MLG booked the venue anywhere close to when they made their announcement. Same for ASUS. It's entirely likely that both were making plans and made the bookings around the same time.
Either way, very mature, forward-looking post by the OP!
Judging by the downtime between games at previous MLG's I guess I could fire both streams up and watch ASUS ROG while MLG has no games and a lot of people are like me.
On January 20 2012 07:20 GeorgeForeman wrote: I wonder what the lead time for booking the venues is. Seems like that would be a good time for a "soft" announcement of sorts. I mean, I doubt MLG booked the venue anywhere close to when they made their announcement. Same for ASUS.
Asus didn't "book" any venue. The starcraft tournament is played at a huge LAN party. Assembly (nowdays Assembly Summer) has been held since 1992, though Assembly Winter is a newer event.
On January 20 2012 07:20 GeorgeForeman wrote: Bummer.
I wonder what the lead time for booking the venues is. Seems like that would be a good time for a "soft" announcement of sorts. I mean, I doubt MLG booked the venue anywhere close to when they made their announcement. Same for ASUS. It's entirely likely that both were making plans and made the bookings around the same time.
Either way, very mature, forward-looking post by the OP!
Assembly announced their winter dates in August 2011. MLGLee (I think it was? Some high level MLG guy) posted in the MLG announcement thread that the MLG dates was set in autumn 2011 which sounds like after august 2011... So they "should" know the date of the 3rd biggest EU tournament. Same with IEM which gave dates in august too.
But all this just means that Assembly wont have any US players, wont have any koreans and wont have any eu superstars (Naniwa, SaSe) some of the higher EU players might go to US if they qualify, but nobody want to go through open bracket.
So it will kinda like MLG 2011, the only eu players who come is those in US teams, or who qualify and get paid travel, which is not what MLG really wants because they are missing a big customer base.
Also those who says MLG does it to remove compition. I actually think it would be better for them to be in different weekends. Then every weekend there will be SC2. Most people don't watch every weekend, so they will choose the "biggest" tournaments, which is MLG. In this way, people first watch Assembly, and then MLG. Or some people who wouldn't watch Assembly will watch it, while waiting for MLG. Hence they might actually help assembly in viewer count that way...
Ehh. Discuss events with each other if you must, but don't go getting any ideas of making it bigger than that. We don't need a large governing body for starcraft2 tournaments, nor one organization to handle all players and contracts. Right now we have a vibrant and open environment where all tournaments of different sizes and scales are able to be pretty successful and able to do things in whatever way pleases them.
Hope you do sort out that schedule though, that's pretty nuts.
This is a very reasonable suggestion and one has to wonder why the big names.. GSL,MLG,IPL have not laid out at least a quarter/half years plan for their biggie events yet.
If they dont do it, then this will create major problems with players/managers/teams because they cannot plan where to go.
In the end when shit hit the fan then players will probably only attend events near where they reside so he travel costs are kept low (with prize moeny being still to low to make up the invest for 95% of attendees). Koreans will stick to stay in Korea (unless contracted by a foreign team), Europeans will stay in Europe and North America will only see the players which the big money can buy in.
If this incident turns out to be a "MLG snipes ROG", then I personally as a consumer will surely enjoy the ROG, due to various reasons.
Learn to release your dates 2-3 months ahead, if you are on of the big names.
On January 20 2012 06:41 TripTrip wrote: It is just so hard to understand why this actually happens. Sundance said on Twitter that the MLG dates have been set for ages. Then why keep it such a secret for soooo long and risk things like this happening?
Do you think MLG gives a damn about what ASUS does? MLG knows that they are the much better run and much more popular league. They aren't going to let someone smaller than them affect what they do.
It would be PR suicide for MLG to make a habit out of situations like this. It would just make them look like bullies, and SC2 fans would then cheer if an even bigger or more well funded bully like IPL comes along to muscle MLG out of a weekend. Plus, splitting the potential player and viewer pool is not ideal for anyone involved. For this first one, it's reasonable to give them the benefit of the doubt that they locked in that date before they knew the ASUS date and as such were unable to accommodate it because let's face it, there are a ton of tournaments going on all the time right now.
I hope this is a geniune mistake by MLG, and not an attempt to undercut competition. I remember this also happening when MLG Orlando and IEM NYC were on the same weekend.
A forum for tournament organizers would be cool, and nice to see more cooperation. When you have tournaments conflict with one another, both lose in a way because viewership is not maximized, but divided. More cooperation between tournaments could also help reduce overhead costs, which could make tournaments more financially stable.
As a spectator this stuff is disappointing. I don't want to watch a tournament with only half of the major players attending. It kills the viewer experience for both tournaments.
On January 20 2012 07:20 GeorgeForeman wrote: Bummer.
I wonder what the lead time for booking the venues is. Seems like that would be a good time for a "soft" announcement of sorts. I mean, I doubt MLG booked the venue anywhere close to when they made their announcement. Same for ASUS. It's entirely likely that both were making plans and made the bookings around the same time.
Either way, very mature, forward-looking post by the OP!
Well atleast for Assembly winters venue (kaapelitehdas @ Helsinki) it's probably around 12-14 months. That venue is probably in very high demand. As an organizer of another (smaller) event I suspect that they didn't have confirmation about the Asus tournament at that time. I definately agree that the event organizers should have more communication between each other but things like that makes it hard for us to communicate between each other about the tournaments.
I support the idea for a tournament organiser forum 100%. It's completely essential to make sure huge tournaments don't clash. Whilst we are all competitors in some form or another, we can all find common ground in the fact that we want to make sure the players don't miss out.
I really hope this can get worked out. I don't think anyone wants to see tournaments stepping on each others toes, especially at this stage in the growth of esports.
why is it every american poster tries to act like helping each other is some kind of travesty? esports is a community, let's work on it together and see EVERYONE WHO IS SMART ENOUGH/LEGIT ENOUGH rise up and do well for themselves. why cut each others throats?
On January 20 2012 06:30 ssg wrote: Fuck an agreement. Let the best rise to the top. Competition is good for everyone.
Horrible mentality. The scene is still small. I know its feels huge to us, but it isn't. Tourneys should be working together at this point to help grow esports as a whole. Competition is good, so lets try to keep as my tourneys open and going as possible.
On January 20 2012 06:51 Adebisi wrote: I'm really curious if either tournament organizers actually tried to contact eachother when they had actually set their dates in stone but before they released them to the public. Clearly MLG comes off much worse here as Asus has had their dates out there for a while, but this is a two way street and things do get booked before they're announced.
I know for a fact that NASL and MLG communicate about our tournament dates so we don't conflict. We exchanged schedules in 2011 and will do so again this year. Don't know about others
On January 20 2012 06:51 Adebisi wrote: I'm really curious if either tournament organizers actually tried to contact eachother when they had actually set their dates in stone but before they released them to the public. Clearly MLG comes off much worse here as Asus has had their dates out there for a while, but this is a two way street and things do get booked before they're announced.
I know for a fact that NASL and MLG communicate about our tournament dates so we don't conflict. We exchanged schedules in 2011 and will do so again this year. Don't know about others
Cool, thanks for chiming in Xeris ^^.
Really don't like seeing people jump down MLG's throat for anti-competitiveness, when really its a mutual problem, TBH because every major tournament has to go through Blizzard, I don't know why Blizzard doesn't take a bigger role here.
On January 20 2012 10:25 darcevader88 wrote: why is it every american poster tries to act like helping each other is some kind of travesty? esports is a community, let's work on it together and see EVERYONE WHO IS SMART ENOUGH/LEGIT ENOUGH rise up and do well for themselves. why cut each others throats?
Why is it every non-American poster takes what one American poster says and uses it to cast judgement on all Americans and assume we all share the same opinion in spite of the fact that many more Americans disagreed than agreed.
On January 20 2012 10:25 darcevader88 wrote: why is it every american poster tries to act like helping each other is some kind of travesty? esports is a community, let's work on it together and see EVERYONE WHO IS SMART ENOUGH/LEGIT ENOUGH rise up and do well for themselves. why cut each others throats?
Why is it every non-American poster takes what one American poster says and uses it to cast judgement on all Americans and assume we all share the same opinion in spite of the fact that many more Americans disagreed than agreed.
See I can do this too.
Because thats how stereotype works, tl must be the only forum where I can discuss without someone spamming "huehuehue" or "I report u, gib monie plix" every two days, because I'm brazillian.
On January 20 2012 10:25 darcevader88 wrote: why is it every american poster tries to act like helping each other is some kind of travesty? esports is a community, let's work on it together and see EVERYONE WHO IS SMART ENOUGH/LEGIT ENOUGH rise up and do well for themselves. why cut each others throats?
Why is it every non-American poster takes what one American poster says and uses it to cast judgement on all Americans and assume we all share the same opinion in spite of the fact that many more Americans disagreed than agreed.
See I can do this too.
I second this sentiment. Just because some random US guy says something ignorant, please don't lump the rest of us Americans with him.
I don't understand the secrecy behind event dates in the first place. What competitive advantage is there to knowing each others dates? It's all in their best interest not to overlap with each other.
I am currently planning the Battle in Berlin 2012. But it is not possible for me until MLG 2012 dates are release and I doubt they will care about other tournaments except IEM, DH etc. which are "huge" instead of just "big", so it does not make sense for me at all to schedule something.
I actually feel quite lucky that I was able to get the Battle in Berlin 2011 on a weekend scheduled where no other big tournament was aheppening.
On January 20 2012 10:19 itts wrote: A bunch of competitors getting together to avoid competition. That is kind of illegal under anti-trust laws.
Lol no? anti-trust laws assume that someone (i.e. the general public) is losing out/being mis-treated in the confines of general Business. Why don't football seasons such as the Premier League in England and the Champions league clash when it comes to the important dates? Oh that's right it's mutually benefitial for literally EVERY party. Anti-trust laws (Or Competition Laws if you live outside of America) work extremely well in the confines of traditional business where products are being sold at a continual rate etc, so as to stop businesses working along-side one another for price-fixing or artificial monopolies - comparing anti-trust laws to this situation is way of out place.
I'd love to see someone complain/argue that having both tournaments on different dates is hurting someone or putting them out.
On January 20 2012 08:07 hrvoje07 wrote: You are kidding yourselves if you think mlg cares about this, MLG doesn't suffer from this, only their competition.
What are you talking about ofcourse it affects both parties. It's going to split the players and the viewerbase.
On January 20 2012 08:07 hrvoje07 wrote: You are kidding yourselves if you think mlg cares about this, MLG doesn't suffer from this, only their competition.
On January 20 2012 06:30 ssg wrote: Fuck an agreement. Let the best rise to the top. Competition is good for everyone.
The true American way
Yeah very american style. Now why should a tournament kill another while both could just coexist by taking place at different times ? That's obviously the meaning of this post.
On January 20 2012 14:02 LorDo wrote: JP said on SOTG that MLG had spoken to every other major tournament organizer, but missed ASUS ROG.
It's bound to happen with these bigger tournaments that need to schedule their venues months in advance. Very unfortunate and I would believe that they will make maximum effort to prevent reoccurances.
Well that sucks. I really enjoyed the Asus tourney (and it did slightly weigh into my decision to go with an Asus ROG laptop btw! ) - I have a feeling that the wifey will kill me if I end up watching the ROG tournament by day and MLG by night for a whole weekend..
On January 20 2012 17:45 iglocska wrote: Well that sucks. I really enjoyed the Asus tourney (and it did slightly weigh into my decision to go with an Asus ROG laptop btw! ) - I have a feeling that the wifey will kill me if I end up watching the ROG tournament by day and MLG by night for a whole weekend..
On January 20 2012 17:45 iglocska wrote: Well that sucks. I really enjoyed the Asus tourney (and it did slightly weigh into my decision to go with an Asus ROG laptop btw! ) - I have a feeling that the wifey will kill me if I end up watching the ROG tournament by day and MLG by night for a whole weekend..
"business trip" to a nearby motel with wifi...
LOL normal people have affairs with their mistresses in motels.. Us on TL? nawwww all we need is a laptop and 32 sweaty nerds duking it out for glory on the other side of the world to get ourselves off.
On January 20 2012 17:45 iglocska wrote: Well that sucks. I really enjoyed the Asus tourney (and it did slightly weigh into my decision to go with an Asus ROG laptop btw! ) - I have a feeling that the wifey will kill me if I end up watching the ROG tournament by day and MLG by night for a whole weekend..
"business trip" to a nearby motel with wifi...
LOL normal people have affairs with their mistresses in motels.. Us on TL? nawwww all we need is a laptop and 32 sweaty nerds duking it out for glory on the other side of the world to get ourselves off.
You are pretty ignorant if you say MLG doesnt suffer from this. Im sure both sides loses some viewers. I'll be watching the one with better players/games.
This is unfortunate, I'm sure its hard enough to avoid certain dates already. Not really going to lay blame on any party. MLG stated they can't release details due to partners etc. So even if it was planed ahead there was external pressure to not release information until all the details are confirmed.
On January 20 2012 21:04 Pudge_172 wrote: Booking venues usually needs to be done 3-6 months in advance. With MLG doing a new structure(Arenas) they went from 6 events to 8 or 9.
It is not that easy to co-ordinate all these events in basically a 42 week period(No January/Late Nov.-end of the year).
Definitely, there's bound to be times when events can't be rearranged and they wind up overlapping. The issue is just that Assembly has been announced for quite some time, now MLG announces an event at the same time and Assembly starts losing already confirmed players, all apparently without any sort of communication between the events. If it can't be helped, it can't be helped, but I'd hope to at least see an effort made to avoid these incidents.
On January 20 2012 06:41 TripTrip wrote: It is just so hard to understand why this actually happens. Sundance said on Twitter that the MLG dates have been set for ages. Then why keep it such a secret for soooo long and risk things like this happening?
Do you think MLG gives a damn about what ASUS does? MLG knows that they are the much better run and much more popular league. They aren't going to let someone smaller than them affect what they do.
This is very shortsighted. It is clear from every post they make after a tournament that numbers are EVERYTHING for MLG. Having a tournament with a similar prizepool on the same weekend is going to result in some star players not attending their event. Another major tournament on the same weekend means less viewers for MLG, even if they completely overshadow it and take 90% of the audience, that 10% could have been watching MLG too on any other weekend.
On January 21 2012 00:45 JamSam wrote: Sadly its just gonna be another MLG with the same european faces because all europeans will just go to Assembly
Aye, flying to USA from europe or russia costs a lot more than traveling to Finland and the prizepool is almost the same so EU players will play in the ASUS ROG for sure.
On January 21 2012 00:45 JamSam wrote: Sadly its just gonna be another MLG with the same european faces because all europeans will just go to Assembly
Aye, flying to USA from europe or russia costs a lot more than traveling to Finland and the prizepool is almost the same so EU players will play in the ASUS ROG for sure.
On January 21 2012 00:45 JamSam wrote: Sadly its just gonna be another MLG with the same european faces because all europeans will just go to Assembly
Aye, flying to USA from europe or russia costs a lot more than traveling to Finland and the prizepool is almost the same so EU players will play in the ASUS ROG for sure.
MLG will suffer for this if all the best EU players wont attend MLG becuase of Assemply who the hell gonna beat the koreans of the best foreign players aint there?
Woulnt it be sad if Nerchio,Dimaga,thorzain.Kas,Stephano and many others woulnt come to MLG?
Whats the point of MLG then we migth aswell just do another GSL in US since there would only be koreans playing
On January 20 2012 08:07 hrvoje07 wrote: You are kidding yourselves if you think mlg cares about this, MLG doesn't suffer from this, only their competition.
On January 20 2012 06:41 TripTrip wrote: It is just so hard to understand why this actually happens. Sundance said on Twitter that the MLG dates have been set for ages. Then why keep it such a secret for soooo long and risk things like this happening?
Do you think MLG gives a damn about what ASUS does? MLG knows that they are the much better run and much more popular league. They aren't going to let someone smaller than them affect what they do.
It would be PR suicide for MLG to make a habit out of situations like this. It would just make them look like bullies, and SC2 fans would then cheer if an even bigger or more well funded bully like IPL comes along to muscle MLG out of a weekend. Plus, splitting the potential player and viewer pool is not ideal for anyone involved. For this first one, it's reasonable to give them the benefit of the doubt that they locked in that date before they knew the ASUS date and as such were unable to accommodate it because let's face it, there are a ton of tournaments going on all the time right now.
Well they are doing it the 3rd time.. First time was with IEM NY. Second with the UK Lan that was IPL qualifier (always on the same date) and now this....
Keep in mind that even if people talk, that doesn't mean their wont still be conflict. Acquiring the right venue well in advance of a date you want, only to find out there are conflicts, could mean completely reworking the schedule of every other event you have planned. While I'm sure many of the tournaments obviously want to avoid it, there will still be times, even with good communication, where there will be overlap.
I really hope there is better communication to prevent overlapping tournaments. Even between communities, I really don't want to have another MLG or any other major SC2 event the same weekend as EVO.
On January 21 2012 12:31 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Keep in mind that even if people talk, that doesn't mean their wont still be conflict. Acquiring the right venue well in advance of a date you want, only to find out there are conflicts, could mean completely reworking the schedule of every other event you have planned. While I'm sure many of the tournaments obviously want to avoid it, there will still be times, even with good communication, where there will be overlap.
Yes, but it definitely helps to at least try to talk things out. You can't avoid every conflict but right now it seems tournaments aren't even making the effort and as we've just seen, a major conflict has now occurred as a result.
I've always like the Assembly tourneys. For me, MLG will play second fiddle
Edit: I've heard rumblings before of larger tourneys communicating regarding dates. I'd kind of be shocked if they didn't at least have each others' phone numbers.
Even though ASUS and MLG are competitors - it in their best interest to communicate concerning these kind of things. It goes beyond losing good players, it means there is an oversaturation in the market. Say you get every tournament in the world to schedule so their games never overlap but there is never a day in between the tournaments. Tournament A ends and then Tournament B begins as soon as it takes players from Tournament A to fly over and play. People will eventually get sick and tired of watching SC2 (as good as SC2 is!). It's not that they get sick of Starcraft specifically, but the viewer will suffer from fatigue and the hype required for tournaments to grow will not be given enough time to mature. For that reason alone, tournaments should share their schedules and notify them of changes.
Its for everyone's benefits to make sure that overlap does not occur. That way, in each tournament, the best players are at each tournament. If they overlap, each tournament losses some viewership as some people will watch one and not the other.
However, I think that can only be done for major events and not for prelims and the like.
On January 20 2012 06:30 ssg wrote: Fuck an agreement. Let the best rise to the top. Competition is good for everyone.
So you want the there to only be 2 or 3 major tournaments? Say GSL, IEM and MLG only?
No more Dreamhack, HSC, Assembly, NASL (finals) and other various yearly/bi-yearly tournaments?
Competition requires that there be multiple events. We've already seen major improvements production, competition and prize money due to each of these events trying to bring out something bigger and better. Let that continue with as little burden on the players (and fans) having to choose who to attend.
won't their schedules line up quite nicely though since they're on different continents. there should be enough good players for both. 24/7 sc2 ftw etc
All tournaments the size of MLG should definately all get together and discuss schedules. It's better for esports and it's better for the fans. The only tournament i think that should be excluded from this is GSL because the tournaments run so long so there is obviously going to be overlap somewhere.
This really sucks for players. Foreign (major) tournaments should be closely associated with each other regarding dates/venues. I really hope MLG and Assembly sort this matter out and I hope that this matter gets resolved. Nobody is a winner in these situations. Players as well as viewers have to choose between two high quality tournaments. T_T
This is a shame...it will reduce the quality of both tournaments of they happen in the same weekend because a lot of players will be missing from each tournament.
I dont understand how hard it can be to just get a conference call going. Some tournies are linked to major events, such as assembly and dreamhack. The other tournies should be able to be abit more flexible regarding dates. Maybe i live in a dream world:S
It's kinda obvious that MLG wants to work against each other and not along each other. Was so funny when people said before MLG/IEM New York that they wanted to advertise the other tournament and stuff. Casters at IEM were talking about results from MLG and everyone at MLG really tried hard to not mention IEM at all.
On January 21 2012 21:50 Influ wrote: It's kinda obvious that MLG wants to work against each other and not along each other. Was so funny when people said before MLG/IEM New York that they wanted to advertise the other tournament and stuff. Casters at IEM were talking about results from MLG and everyone at MLG really tried hard to not mention IEM at all.
You can't put MLG and IEM in the same category anyhow to be honest. MLG is simply a much bigger deal then IEM or Assembly, which is why they are able to ignore them so easily.
The only tournament MLG needs to coordinate with to some extent is the GSL, because they need koreans to legitimize their tourney.
On January 21 2012 21:50 Influ wrote: It's kinda obvious that MLG wants to work against each other and not along each other. Was so funny when people said before MLG/IEM New York that they wanted to advertise the other tournament and stuff. Casters at IEM were talking about results from MLG and everyone at MLG really tried hard to not mention IEM at all.
You can't put MLG and IEM in the same category anyhow to be honest. MLG is simply a much bigger deal then IEM or Assembly, which is why they are able to ignore them so easily.
The only tournament MLG needs to coordinate with to some extent is the GSL, because they need koreans to legitimize their tourney.
tbh, i would watch dreamhack and IEM over MLG. MLG seems to think that having lots of lower quality matches in the open bracket is a good idea, and personally, if i wanted to watch that level of play id just watch Catz or destiny stream. from the quarter finals usually gets good, but thats the same in any tournament. on a side note, i wonder is the reason that there are 139 players is because people turned down invites for this? JP seemed to not really know what to say on SotG when asked about the weird numbers even if its only EU player who end up going to ASUS, thats probably still going to be better than watching the Koreans shit all over a bunch of NA GMs
On January 21 2012 21:50 Influ wrote: It's kinda obvious that MLG wants to work against each other and not along each other. Was so funny when people said before MLG/IEM New York that they wanted to advertise the other tournament and stuff. Casters at IEM were talking about results from MLG and everyone at MLG really tried hard to not mention IEM at all.
You can't put MLG and IEM in the same category anyhow to be honest. MLG is simply a much bigger deal then IEM or Assembly, which is why they are able to ignore them so easily.
The only tournament MLG needs to coordinate with to some extent is the GSL, because they need koreans to legitimize their tourney.
Just because the US only has two tournaments of any note, does not mean it's a much bigger deal than IEM or Assembly. MLG last year was the most work for the least money of pretty much any tournament on the planet.
On January 21 2012 21:00 zomgE wrote: won't their schedules line up quite nicely though since they're on different continents. there should be enough good players for both. 24/7 sc2 ftw etc
Honestly... it might depend on how the talent splits up. Part of me wonders if it's a coincidence that MLG announces a tournament with 6k more prize pool AND 32 qualifier based PAID invites two weeks after ASUS ROG was announced...
However, we (fans) might get luck with a 60 hour block of straight SC2 (energy drink companies are you paying attention? THIS is the weekend to advertise!!). I'll quote one of my posts from another thread..
On January 21 2012 18:57 DusTerr wrote: With MLG sure to draw some of the bigger names and split the talent this could be an amazing opportunity for some other players to get some fame and fortune (I'm sure it would be more appealing than going through the open brackets!).
We could end up with two high quality tournaments.
On January 20 2012 06:41 TripTrip wrote: It is just so hard to understand why this actually happens. Sundance said on Twitter that the MLG dates have been set for ages. Then why keep it such a secret for soooo long and risk things like this happening?
Do you think MLG gives a damn about what ASUS does? MLG knows that they are the much better run and much more popular league. They aren't going to let someone smaller than them affect what they do.
It would be PR suicide for MLG to make a habit out of situations like this. It would just make them look like bullies, and SC2 fans would then cheer if an even bigger or more well funded bully like IPL comes along to muscle MLG out of a weekend. Plus, splitting the potential player and viewer pool is not ideal for anyone involved. For this first one, it's reasonable to give them the benefit of the doubt that they locked in that date before they knew the ASUS date and as such were unable to accommodate it because let's face it, there are a ton of tournaments going on all the time right now.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you just said IPL > MLG. such a jokester
Anyways, I'll watch MLG live but I'll definitely catch ASUS VoDs if they're free again.
On January 21 2012 21:50 Influ wrote: It's kinda obvious that MLG wants to work against each other and not along each other. Was so funny when people said before MLG/IEM New York that they wanted to advertise the other tournament and stuff. Casters at IEM were talking about results from MLG and everyone at MLG really tried hard to not mention IEM at all.
You can't put MLG and IEM in the same category anyhow to be honest. MLG is simply a much bigger deal then IEM or Assembly, which is why they are able to ignore them so easily.
The only tournament MLG needs to coordinate with to some extent is the GSL, because they need koreans to legitimize their tourney.
I absolutly can. I was watching IEM fill halls when MLG was just a bunch of tables in the back of a Halo tourny. In fact when you compare IEM gamescom or cebit numbers (viewers, prize money, live spectators, etc.) with any MLG, the better question is if u can put MLG in the same category as IEM. It's just that MLG gets a shitload of hype.
On January 20 2012 08:07 hrvoje07 wrote: You are kidding yourselves if you think mlg cares about this, MLG doesn't suffer from this, only their competition.
I suppose you think MLG booking an event for the EVO weekend didn't hurt them either? Except, you know, killing their last chances of ever being relevant in the fighting game scene.
why not simply create a closed Facebook group with all the big tournament organizers in there to share schedules and communicate? I think the issue with overlapping schedules could be avoided way easier than we might think.
On January 22 2012 01:09 obsKura wrote: why not simply create a closed Facebook group with all the big tournament organizers in there to share schedules and communicate? I think the issue with overlapping schedules could be avoided way easier than we might think.
Of course it could be, but they (MLG) obviously don't / didn't want to.
EPT
) - I have a feeling that the wifey will kill me if I end up watching the ROG tournament by day and MLG by night for a whole weekend..
