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Let's have a nice clean LR thread folks! Beware that moderation will probably be stricter than usual, balance whine, player bashing and trolling will not be tolerated!
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
January 11 2012 12:26 GMT
#4181
rofl wtf @ this soccer argument going on amoungst all this???
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
R!!
Profile Joined November 2011
Brazil938 Posts
January 11 2012 12:27 GMT
#4182
I think that if MVP used 2 different groups for the vikings he had and shift-attacked the closest broodlords to each of the groups he would've probably won the game.
I like the part where sense is considered a common, settled thing.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
January 11 2012 12:27 GMT
#4183
On January 11 2012 21:25 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 21:19 iamthedave wrote:
On January 11 2012 21:16 TheDwf wrote:
On January 11 2012 21:14 Salteador Neo wrote:
On January 11 2012 21:12 Napoleon53 wrote:
On January 11 2012 21:10 forsooth wrote:
I knew vikings were bad against corrupters, but I didn't know they were that bad.


I think there are some factors to consider.

1) Fungal growth.. Sometimes 1-2 on all during the battles.
2) upgrades. I think Zerg was ahead in the air upgrades.
3) 4 queens also did some damage.

Normally I think Vikings is pretty cost-effective against corruptors.


There's nothing to "think". Vikings counter corruptors and are very good against them. IMO forsooth was either trolling or QQing.

No. Just because they have a damage bonus against Armored units does not make them a “counter”.


Actually it does. They're also considerably cheaper. What caused MVP to lose that was fungals, not the mass corruptors

Vikings are not considerably cheaper. They cost 150/75 compared to 150/100. Corrupters have significantly higher health as well as a higher rate of fire, and a faster movement speed that mitigates the ability of vikings to kite. Vikings do not counter corruptors.

This. Vikings are a horrible answer to SkyZerg since Corruptors are so strong anti-air. Much better to go for a ground army with ghosts since that makes the corruptors useless.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
January 11 2012 12:27 GMT
#4184
On January 11 2012 21:26 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 21:25 Drazerk wrote:
Game Three on daybreak

In the bottom left is Lucky

In the top right is MVP


2:10


Hatch first for Lucky


3:10

Pool and gas for Lucky
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 12:28:30
January 11 2012 12:27 GMT
#4185
On January 11 2012 21:26 Nocteo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 21:25 Frankon wrote:
Back to game 1.
I think one ghost+cloak and 1 NUKE would be enough.


Right because the zerg wouldn't move his army. Or fungal the ghost. Or see it with his overseer.

Viking snipe the overseer. Ghost hides near the buildings. Its doable.
Ps. Good luck on fast moving spines ^^
jkos86
Profile Joined March 2011
50 Posts
January 11 2012 12:27 GMT
#4186
Lucky only won cos he was zerg and mvp meched.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
January 11 2012 12:27 GMT
#4187
NESTEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
Nocteo
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium799 Posts
January 11 2012 12:27 GMT
#4188
On January 11 2012 21:25 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 21:24 Nocteo wrote:
On January 11 2012 21:23 Drazerk wrote:
On January 11 2012 21:21 y0su wrote:
On January 11 2012 21:20 Drazerk wrote:
On January 11 2012 21:20 ChaosTerran wrote:
On January 11 2012 21:19 Drazerk wrote:
On January 11 2012 21:18 herbie wrote:
On January 11 2012 21:12 Drazerk wrote:
On January 11 2012 21:12 jeeneeus wrote:
I feel like the only unit you can make against that composition is mass ghost, but it would be so hard to get that much gas when you're meching.


Mass raven would of also worked but required more skill to pull off

And mass raven doesn't take a lot of gas...
Also HSM speed is 2.953 , corrupters speed is 2.953 , corrupters can just outrun HSMs....


PDD?

pdd cant stop fungals....


The seeker missiles will though

fungal range > hsm


Stop trying to disprove how awesome ravens are >.>

You can't fungal multiple ravens from multiple angles!

He fungled all vikings in a 180 degree spread.


Not a full 360 spread


And then you get to the point where: "Hey a few units moving around my army, let's kill them while they try to fly by.
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
January 11 2012 12:28 GMT
#4189
On January 11 2012 21:25 Frankon wrote:
Back to game 1.
I think one ghost+cloak and 1 NUKE would be enough.


Even one good emp or a couple good snipes.
Ghost, like infestor and high templar, can really be a game changing unit.
Just a very expensive tech investment and more heavily relies on control to give cost effective return.

Completely agree though, MVP usually builds a ghost academy around 15 minutes in TvZ even if he doesn't build ghosts just to have that tech switch option. Was quite surprised we didn't see it that game.
He might have felt he couldn't afford to cut any mech army after that early game economic damage.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
January 11 2012 12:28 GMT
#4190
On January 11 2012 21:26 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 21:25 Drazerk wrote:
Game Three on daybreak

In the bottom left is Lucky

In the top right is MVP

2:10


Hatch first for Lucky


3:10

Pool and gas for Lucky


4:40


Command centre for MVP

Ling speed for Lucky
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
January 11 2012 12:28 GMT
#4191
On January 11 2012 21:26 Carnagath wrote:
Second map that MvP wins due to questionable map design imho. The cutthroat corner bunker position in his first series vs Lucky, and the unkillable tank platform if you don't have mutas... I don't know what to say.

I agree on the poor design choices, but I am fairly confident that MVP would have won anyway (particularly the last game).
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
January 11 2012 12:28 GMT
#4192
On January 11 2012 21:27 Yaki wrote:
NESTEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

This made me laugh out loud hahah
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
January 11 2012 12:28 GMT
#4193
On January 11 2012 21:27 Frankon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 21:26 Nocteo wrote:
On January 11 2012 21:25 Frankon wrote:
Back to game 1.
I think one ghost+cloak and 1 NUKE would be enough.


Right because the zerg wouldn't move his army. Or fungal the ghost. Or see it with his overseer.

Viking snipe the overseer. Ghost hides near the buildings. Its doable.


and the zerg could not just fungal that one ghost? LOL, you have a wild fantasy dude.
Nocteo
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium799 Posts
January 11 2012 12:28 GMT
#4194
On January 11 2012 21:27 Frankon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 21:26 Nocteo wrote:
On January 11 2012 21:25 Frankon wrote:
Back to game 1.
I think one ghost+cloak and 1 NUKE would be enough.


Right because the zerg wouldn't move his army. Or fungal the ghost. Or see it with his overseer.

Viking snipe the overseer. Ghost hides near the buildings. Its doable.
Ps. Good luck on fast moving spines ^^


Oh so he's going to get vikings AND ghosts. Right...
BrassMonkey27
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada616 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 12:30:00
January 11 2012 12:29 GMT
#4195
Would've been interesting to see a few BC's, I know corruptors do bonus DMG but maybe with Lucky focus firing them MVP could've gotten some sick Viking volleys off. Either way he needed something to tank some damage.

I don't understand the people suggesting Ghosts. He simply did not have the infrastructure.
HoneyBadger.784 Diamond KR "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
January 11 2012 12:29 GMT
#4196
On January 11 2012 21:26 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 21:25 Drazerk wrote:
Game Three on daybreak

In the bottom left is Lucky

In the top right is MVP

2:10


Hatch first for Lucky

3:10

Pool and gas for Lucky


4:40


Command centre for MVP

Ling speed for Lucky


6:00


Barracks and hellions for MVP

Roach warren for lucky
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
January 11 2012 12:29 GMT
#4197
On January 11 2012 21:26 liberate71 wrote:
rofl wtf @ this soccer argument going on amoungst all this???

Let it be. TL LR threads wouldn't be an LR thread without a different conversation going on while the game progresses
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Nocteo
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium799 Posts
January 11 2012 12:29 GMT
#4198
On January 11 2012 21:29 BrassMonkey27 wrote:
Would've been interesting to see a few BC's, I know corruptors do bonus DMG but maybe with Lucky focus firing them MVP could've gotten some sick Viking volleys off. Either way he needed something to tank some damage.


BC's die so fast to corruptors. Especially with the corruption.
Napoleon53
Profile Joined January 2010
Denmark167 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 12:30:49
January 11 2012 12:29 GMT
#4199
In the TL-wiki.. the corruptor is listed as "weak against viking".

The DPS is only like 7-8 for an corruptor, while its 14 for a viking..... but well.. it is a close call anyway.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
January 11 2012 12:30 GMT
#4200
On January 11 2012 21:26 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 21:25 Drazerk wrote:
Game Three on daybreak

In the bottom left is Lucky

In the top right is MVP

2:10


Hatch first for Lucky

3:10

Pool and gas for Lucky


4:40


Command centre for MVP

Ling speed for Lucky


6:00


Barracks and hellions for MVP

Roach warren for lucky


7:10


Lots of barracks for MVP with stim

Lucky getting a third which is scouted
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