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On January 10 2012 20:04 SuperFanBoy wrote: Leenock has the best ZvT in the world.
It's almost impossible to tell if Leenock or DRG have the best at the moment since they win and lose pretty 50/50-ish against the best TvZ'ers.
Regardless, they're both beasting in that matchup like no other zergs are.
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Cheese from Supernova? :3
EDIT: just cool rax placement ;p
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i think tasteless thinks water skis are jet skis
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On January 10 2012 20:05 Fionn wrote: No, really, no one else saw the white guy with fox/cat ears on behind Tastosis? Am I just seeing things?
I saw it bro, he was there last set too!
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AHMYGOD TERAN DENAYING 2 BASE ZERG STIL WIN WHAT JOKE RAEC PLIS NERF BLIZ
Did I get that right? Or is that only a standard response when Z or P lose?
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On January 10 2012 20:05 Witten wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 20:03 Lysanias wrote: BTW does any one know if Leenock is still going to school ? because he's still so young and i remember back in code A he was still doing Highschool. I think it was said in an interview or something before the Finals (or maybe during MLG) that he isn't doing school. I could be totally wrong though. It would explain his recent gosuness though.
Very nice, that indeed explains alot, he was always good but recently he got so flipping badass.
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On January 10 2012 20:05 mTwTT1 wrote:-_-;; potential flash vs jaedong mu? /jizz
We were here for Leenock vs ForGG only, amirite?
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On January 10 2012 20:05 nokz88 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:52 TheDwf wrote:On January 10 2012 19:50 nokz88 wrote:On January 10 2012 19:46 Zorgaz wrote:On January 10 2012 19:40 TheDwf wrote:On January 10 2012 19:38 WigglingSquid wrote: Terran early game was always perplexing me about cloaking and detection, and this is a good example of my reasons. It makes for very boring BO losses against every race which needs tech to detect... every one but Terran. You know there are BO losses to Cloak Banshees even in TvT, right? Yeah....  . You know Protoss can get up a Robo with DT's around the same cost of cloaked banshees? Fact-SP-Techlab-Cloak 550 minerals 425 gas Twilight-Robo-Darkshrine 450 minerals 450 gas Yes Terran has Scan, but if you hit just after a MULE'ing.... P generally should go robo unless he is absolutely 100% no banshees can be coming ROFL such a fail post. You try to get the fastest DT tech with the Terran going for the fastest banshee tech, and tell me what happens Actually, most of the DT expands / DT + prism strategies are played against scouted 1 rax FE, so it seems failure is yours. look, passive aggresive posts won't diminish that failure of a post. Stop trying He was trying to convince every sheep out there that since Robo + DT tech cost almost the same as banshee with cloak Protoss had no right to cry imba, but the truth is that banshee with cloak hits soooooo much earlier than DTs it's not even funny.
haha wtf that is so wrong
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On January 10 2012 20:06 Plague1503 wrote: AHMYGOD TERAN DENAYING 2 BASE ZERG STIL WIN WHAT JOKE RAEC PLIS NERF BLIZ
Did I get that right? Or is that only a standard response when Z or P lose?
nah sounds about right
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On January 10 2012 20:06 Plague1503 wrote: AHMYGOD TERAN DENAYING 2 BASE ZERG STIL WIN WHAT JOKE RAEC PLIS NERF BLIZ
Did I get that right? Or is that only a standard response when Z or P lose?
Add a bit of caster/player bashing, and definitely add the world "outplayed." That bit's critical.
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On January 10 2012 20:04 Irratonalys wrote: cya guys , KT vs team 8 starting I'm looking both at the same time until leenock's last game.
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My personal nickname for Leenock is "Arbiter of Justice." he always seems to win when I want his opponent to lose, and lose when I think his opponent is more deserving of the win. I love this kid.
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hardcore cheese going on now
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Where dat snitch at?36921 Posts
Nova is gooooooood
BUT NOCKO IS BETTER!!!
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On January 10 2012 20:06 Fishgle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 20:05 mTwTT1 wrote:On January 10 2012 20:04 Irratonalys wrote: cya guys , KT vs team 8 starting -_-;; potential flash vs jaedong mu? /jizz We were here for Leenock vs ForGG only, amirite?
i was here for bosstoss, ill ditch him if jaedong and flash play tho
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On January 10 2012 20:00 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:58 AndAgain wrote:On January 10 2012 19:54 MorroW wrote:On January 10 2012 19:51 AndAgain wrote:On January 10 2012 19:37 MorroW wrote:On January 10 2012 19:36 Thugtronik wrote:On January 10 2012 19:34 bittman wrote: BO loss =( i don't know if i'd call this a build order loss. supernova with the brilliant mindgames this game. its still silly because theres too many early games in tvp that end with "brilliant mindgames". its just the result of smart players who understand starcraft 2 alot in an early game with buildorders that reward risky play too much in tvz and zvt you can do stuff that kinda gets you ahead abit (if its succesful) but theres not alot of stuff you can do to actually just end it Scouting in PvT sucks (for protoss.) That really all there's to it. its really hard for terran too. its not like you scout a toss not going robo and then decides to do cloak banshee its just stupid blind play from both guys trying to scout and get the best odds of what someone is doing. but at times it happens that toss thinks its 1rax expand and its actually cloak banshee or 111 lol and a terran who actually did a 1rax here and toss goes fast nexus and plays with really late robo, even dual forge before robo then terran is pretty fucked in general a game cant be coinflip for only 1 side Cloak banshee against an observer build doesn't put terran that much behind, relatively speaking. Banshees are faster than observers and should kill a few probes anyway. Also, it gives you tech that's gonna be very useful against colossi. The imbalance in PvT is the relative risk that's involved for both sides. Terran has more safer options. nono cloak banshee your so fucked if they 1gate expo =>3gate robo and stops it nicely. if this wasnt the case we would see cloak banshees alot more often
Yeah idk what you're saying (edit: what AndAgain is saying). As someone who used to banshee rush every toss on the ladder, if they have a robo up you're ok in that you don't die right away but you need 10+ probe kills to justify cloak banshees. On 2 nexus with chrono, they'll be up on 10 probes by the time your banshees get there. Then if they do a hard allin like a 6gate robo, it's already hard to hold and now with lesser economy it's even worse. Or if they go for a quicker 3rd you can't punish it much either because you'll be trying to stabilze your two bases. Timings where the toss is weak for teching (weak when you start double forge or collusi about to come up), timings when they take a 3rd are all gone because you don't have units to punish it. Sick game by Supernova though till he lost all his tanks -_- Leenock was pretty good with mutas though, don't often see a zerg do that much with mutas so near marines.
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Leenock I heard you like bunkers, so here's three in your expansion.
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I'm trying to watch the free live stream on my mac, yet whenever I click on it I just get a message saying more browser isn't supported? I have the gom player installed and everything. Any help?
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On January 10 2012 20:04 bLah. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:58 AndAgain wrote: Cloak banshee against an observer build doesn't put terran that much behind, relatively speaking. Banshees are faster than observers and should kill a few probes anyway. Also, it gives you tech that's gonna be very useful against colossi.
The imbalance in PvT is the relative risk that's involved for both sides. Terran has more safer options.
if P goes 1gate nexus into 3gate robo while terran is going cloaked banshee, terran is waaaaaaaay behind. screw tech if toss has 2 base against your 1, economy is overwhelming. btw.leenock is pretty damn good still :o
Maybe it's me, but I feel like Banshees always get a dozen worker kills. No matter what game I've watched, I never seen them not get a bunch of kills, obs or not.
Honestly it's ridiculously hard for PvT and ZvT scouting early game. There's a lot of guessing sometimes and you just can't play safe every single game and hope to come out ahead. That game was just the result of guessing.
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