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On December 13 2011 06:35 Bippzy wrote:
Here's my opinion
Hero: if he has the best pvz, he was too nervous to show it or needs to patch up some stuff.
Stephano: i "guess" he has really good pvz, but ive been seeing holes in it. In the ipl team league he's been getting oened by expo into colossus builds. And mc acted like bischu and did that again. His win vs hero is much less him than hero(sorry to discredit). Hero just let stephano get too far ahead
MVP: More all ins than you would expect, and more aggressiveness. As usual, scary as f***.
DRG: I thoroughly emjoyed his play, he seemed solidish. More solid then stephano, the zvz was interesting to watch too, i love the zerg bane vs expo ling wars that last minutes upon minutes.
MC: I...dunno. I feel like he needs a solidly aggressive way to play protoss and until then he's kinda mediocre. Mvp had the ee han scout and pwnt him too.
Failing an all in vs MVP, taking out HerO and Stephano easily = mediocre. Okay. I'd like to know where this kind of logic is when MVP failed an all in vs MC at MLG. Or any other korean pros that failed an all in for that matter.
While everyone is entitled to their opinion, sometimes I wonder if some people deserves to have one.
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On December 13 2011 06:30 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 06:24 bigbeau wrote:On December 13 2011 05:43 Forikorder wrote:On December 13 2011 04:54 mordk wrote:On December 13 2011 04:32 Forikorder wrote:On December 13 2011 04:31 double620 wrote:On December 13 2011 04:29 Forikorder wrote:On December 13 2011 04:27 mordk wrote:On December 13 2011 04:20 Forikorder wrote:On December 13 2011 04:18 double620 wrote:
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I remember not long ago Mc 6 gate all-in Mvp and mvp could not stop it even with 5 bunkers.
In fact, Mc did show he can outplay Mvp in a macro game. Mvp is the one does not want to play macro game against Mc. yet MC does a terrible 4 gate all-in.... Sigh... you're so blind I don't even know if you watch starcraft. All-ins aren't random, you don't just do it against someone because he's better/worse/whatever. You plan an all-in when you think the map and opponent are suitable for that all-in. In this case, considering maps, MC's best shot was the early game timing. MVP scouted well and could hold it, doesn't mean it was a bad decision. All-in =/= bad play. MC is a great player, most likely still best protoss around. If you think he's bad you haven't watched enough of his games. You might not like his style, but that's a completely different story. right MC was too scared to try and paly a macro game and did a bad all-in and lost becuase hes an inconsitant player wholl never be great you can use that to describe what Mvp did to Hero. ya but see MVP WON MC didnt win erego, MVP made the right choice and MC made the wrong choice and since the only damage MC managed to do was kill a bunker and a few marines it was completely the wrong choice Yeah, MC should have time travelled and ofc known exactly what MVP was going to do, and thus revert from all-inning... MC chose to go with what, against that opponent, in that horrible map, was his best shot, because he's confident in his micro and FFs. He lost, it happens, it doesn't mean he's "terrible and can't win macro games". In reality, MC's macro games are usually awesome, he has some of the best macro of all P right now. I insist, I'm not sure if you watch starcraft, or just blindly rant. I'm inclining for the latter. he didnt even put up a fight, it was a poorly thought out all-in he would ahve been better trying to rush to DTs he barely even killed any SCVs his all-in didnt even come close to almost suceeding he looked jsut like a code A or below player Dude, he got scouted. If that wasn't scouted Im pretty sure it would have worked. He would have been able to blink into the main snipe a few scvs then use blink micro vs like 16 marines. But as it happened, MVP was ready and the blink wouldve been on cooldown. Im not saying it was a godly thought out build, but it was a pretty decent allin that had a good chance of working until the whole thing got scouted. well golly gee maybe he should ahve prevented one SCV from waltzing into his base then or at least jsut pulled back and tried to go into a normal game instead of slitting his own throat by commiting
Just stop man, you're clearly trying too hard here.
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Sigh, Stephano. Looking back I really wish he didn't tried to cheese against MC and MVP, those were the only two games he lost. That zvz against DRG was awesome and his play against Hero looked superb.
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I think after 276 pages we all know that Frikdorder or whatever his name is really, REALLY, hates MC.
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On December 13 2011 06:30 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 06:24 bigbeau wrote:On December 13 2011 05:43 Forikorder wrote:On December 13 2011 04:54 mordk wrote:On December 13 2011 04:32 Forikorder wrote:On December 13 2011 04:31 double620 wrote:On December 13 2011 04:29 Forikorder wrote:On December 13 2011 04:27 mordk wrote:On December 13 2011 04:20 Forikorder wrote:On December 13 2011 04:18 double620 wrote:
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I remember not long ago Mc 6 gate all-in Mvp and mvp could not stop it even with 5 bunkers.
In fact, Mc did show he can outplay Mvp in a macro game. Mvp is the one does not want to play macro game against Mc. yet MC does a terrible 4 gate all-in.... Sigh... you're so blind I don't even know if you watch starcraft. All-ins aren't random, you don't just do it against someone because he's better/worse/whatever. You plan an all-in when you think the map and opponent are suitable for that all-in. In this case, considering maps, MC's best shot was the early game timing. MVP scouted well and could hold it, doesn't mean it was a bad decision. All-in =/= bad play. MC is a great player, most likely still best protoss around. If you think he's bad you haven't watched enough of his games. You might not like his style, but that's a completely different story. right MC was too scared to try and paly a macro game and did a bad all-in and lost becuase hes an inconsitant player wholl never be great you can use that to describe what Mvp did to Hero. ya but see MVP WON MC didnt win erego, MVP made the right choice and MC made the wrong choice and since the only damage MC managed to do was kill a bunker and a few marines it was completely the wrong choice Yeah, MC should have time travelled and ofc known exactly what MVP was going to do, and thus revert from all-inning... MC chose to go with what, against that opponent, in that horrible map, was his best shot, because he's confident in his micro and FFs. He lost, it happens, it doesn't mean he's "terrible and can't win macro games". In reality, MC's macro games are usually awesome, he has some of the best macro of all P right now. I insist, I'm not sure if you watch starcraft, or just blindly rant. I'm inclining for the latter. he didnt even put up a fight, it was a poorly thought out all-in he would ahve been better trying to rush to DTs he barely even killed any SCVs his all-in didnt even come close to almost suceeding he looked jsut like a code A or below player Dude, he got scouted. If that wasn't scouted Im pretty sure it would have worked. He would have been able to blink into the main snipe a few scvs then use blink micro vs like 16 marines. But as it happened, MVP was ready and the blink wouldve been on cooldown. Im not saying it was a godly thought out build, but it was a pretty decent allin that had a good chance of working until the whole thing got scouted. well golly gee maybe he should ahve prevented one SCV from waltzing into his base then or at least jsut pulled back and tried to go into a normal game instead of slitting his own throat by commiting
Yeah, like everyone already said, you're just actually slow. If you don't understand why he can't just go into a normal game after getting blink, an observer, and 4 gates off of one base, along with cutting probe production, when the opponent already has a natural up and running, you should probably not play this game anymore.
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I don't think he even plays.
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On December 13 2011 07:08 bigbeau wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 06:30 Forikorder wrote:On December 13 2011 06:24 bigbeau wrote:On December 13 2011 05:43 Forikorder wrote:On December 13 2011 04:54 mordk wrote:On December 13 2011 04:32 Forikorder wrote:On December 13 2011 04:31 double620 wrote:On December 13 2011 04:29 Forikorder wrote:On December 13 2011 04:27 mordk wrote:On December 13 2011 04:20 Forikorder wrote:
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yet MC does a terrible 4 gate all-in.... Sigh... you're so blind I don't even know if you watch starcraft. All-ins aren't random, you don't just do it against someone because he's better/worse/whatever. You plan an all-in when you think the map and opponent are suitable for that all-in. In this case, considering maps, MC's best shot was the early game timing. MVP scouted well and could hold it, doesn't mean it was a bad decision. All-in =/= bad play. MC is a great player, most likely still best protoss around. If you think he's bad you haven't watched enough of his games. You might not like his style, but that's a completely different story. right MC was too scared to try and paly a macro game and did a bad all-in and lost becuase hes an inconsitant player wholl never be great you can use that to describe what Mvp did to Hero. ya but see MVP WON MC didnt win erego, MVP made the right choice and MC made the wrong choice and since the only damage MC managed to do was kill a bunker and a few marines it was completely the wrong choice Yeah, MC should have time travelled and ofc known exactly what MVP was going to do, and thus revert from all-inning... MC chose to go with what, against that opponent, in that horrible map, was his best shot, because he's confident in his micro and FFs. He lost, it happens, it doesn't mean he's "terrible and can't win macro games". In reality, MC's macro games are usually awesome, he has some of the best macro of all P right now. I insist, I'm not sure if you watch starcraft, or just blindly rant. I'm inclining for the latter. he didnt even put up a fight, it was a poorly thought out all-in he would ahve been better trying to rush to DTs he barely even killed any SCVs his all-in didnt even come close to almost suceeding he looked jsut like a code A or below player Dude, he got scouted. If that wasn't scouted Im pretty sure it would have worked. He would have been able to blink into the main snipe a few scvs then use blink micro vs like 16 marines. But as it happened, MVP was ready and the blink wouldve been on cooldown. Im not saying it was a godly thought out build, but it was a pretty decent allin that had a good chance of working until the whole thing got scouted. well golly gee maybe he should ahve prevented one SCV from waltzing into his base then or at least jsut pulled back and tried to go into a normal game instead of slitting his own throat by commiting Yeah, like everyone already said, you're just actually slow. If you don't understand why he can't just go into a normal game after getting blink, an observer, and 4 gates off of one base, along with cutting probe production, when the opponent already has a natural up and running, you should probably not play this game anymore.
still would ahve ahd a higher cahnce of winning then that 4gate
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On December 13 2011 07:08 bigbeau wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 06:30 Forikorder wrote:On December 13 2011 06:24 bigbeau wrote:On December 13 2011 05:43 Forikorder wrote:On December 13 2011 04:54 mordk wrote:On December 13 2011 04:32 Forikorder wrote:On December 13 2011 04:31 double620 wrote:On December 13 2011 04:29 Forikorder wrote:On December 13 2011 04:27 mordk wrote:On December 13 2011 04:20 Forikorder wrote:
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yet MC does a terrible 4 gate all-in.... Sigh... you're so blind I don't even know if you watch starcraft. All-ins aren't random, you don't just do it against someone because he's better/worse/whatever. You plan an all-in when you think the map and opponent are suitable for that all-in. In this case, considering maps, MC's best shot was the early game timing. MVP scouted well and could hold it, doesn't mean it was a bad decision. All-in =/= bad play. MC is a great player, most likely still best protoss around. If you think he's bad you haven't watched enough of his games. You might not like his style, but that's a completely different story. right MC was too scared to try and paly a macro game and did a bad all-in and lost becuase hes an inconsitant player wholl never be great you can use that to describe what Mvp did to Hero. ya but see MVP WON MC didnt win erego, MVP made the right choice and MC made the wrong choice and since the only damage MC managed to do was kill a bunker and a few marines it was completely the wrong choice Yeah, MC should have time travelled and ofc known exactly what MVP was going to do, and thus revert from all-inning... MC chose to go with what, against that opponent, in that horrible map, was his best shot, because he's confident in his micro and FFs. He lost, it happens, it doesn't mean he's "terrible and can't win macro games". In reality, MC's macro games are usually awesome, he has some of the best macro of all P right now. I insist, I'm not sure if you watch starcraft, or just blindly rant. I'm inclining for the latter. he didnt even put up a fight, it was a poorly thought out all-in he would ahve been better trying to rush to DTs he barely even killed any SCVs his all-in didnt even come close to almost suceeding he looked jsut like a code A or below player Dude, he got scouted. If that wasn't scouted Im pretty sure it would have worked. He would have been able to blink into the main snipe a few scvs then use blink micro vs like 16 marines. But as it happened, MVP was ready and the blink wouldve been on cooldown. Im not saying it was a godly thought out build, but it was a pretty decent allin that had a good chance of working until the whole thing got scouted. well golly gee maybe he should ahve prevented one SCV from waltzing into his base then or at least jsut pulled back and tried to go into a normal game instead of slitting his own throat by commiting Yeah, like everyone already said, you're just actually slow. If you don't understand why he can't just go into a normal game after getting blink, an observer, and 4 gates off of one base, along with cutting probe production, when the opponent already has a natural up and running, you should probably not play this game anymore.
Not to discredit anything you said, but it feels like some people are seriously underestimating how good MVP is at this game. His TvP might not be the stuff of legends, but he knows his timings in and out. In the game vs MC he is preparing for blink stalkers the moment he saw that there was no expand up, not the moment he saw the twilight + robo.
No ebay, doesn't even consider DT's, but casually moves his marines back into the base and holds it off. The SCV scouting might have seemed lucky, but a scan on the natural would have led to the exact same response from him. At no point in the match was MC even remotely close to winning.
The entire goal of a 4 rax after a gasless FE is to hold off pretty much any one-base your opponent can throw at you and just be safe, and it comes fairly close to a BO loss for MC. MC obviously wouldn't have won with a late expo after cutting probes, but his choice for that specific bo was doubtful to say the least in my opinion.
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On December 13 2011 06:35 Bippzy wrote:
Here's my opinion
Hero: if he has the best pvz, he was too nervous to show it or needs to patch up some stuff.
Stephano: i "guess" he has really good pvz, but ive been seeing holes in it. In the ipl team league he's been getting oened by expo into colossus builds. And mc acted like bischu and did that again. His win vs hero is much less him than hero(sorry to discredit). Hero just let stephano get too far ahead
MVP: More all ins than you would expect, and more aggressiveness. As usual, scary as f***.
DRG: I thoroughly emjoyed his play, he seemed solidish. More solid then stephano, the zvz was interesting to watch too, i love the zerg bane vs expo ling wars that last minutes upon minutes.
MC: I...dunno. I feel like he needs a solidly aggressive way to play protoss and until then he's kinda mediocre. Mvp had the ee han scout and pwnt him too.
You nailed it in my opinion
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Can we just stop replying to Foridorker all together? Everything that he has been saying is absolute nonsense:
He has admited to actually hating MC 6 pages back, so its not wonder why he continues to cry. Just look at how these posts have gone:
Foridorker: MC sucks he has been figured out all he does is All in. He "sucks" at Macro games.
Response: No - he has had Macro games in the past against great players including against Bomber and MVP and has won. MC is actually one of the best Macro Ps.
Foridorker: herp derp I hate MC he only all ins herp derp
Response: Actually MVP all-ins just as much as MC, and people all in AGAINST MC alot too. How is he different than any other player? You need to change things up and do timing attacks with macro play in order to win tournaments. That map in particular is a good choice to all-in beacause it is extremely hard as a P to get a 3rd up against a Terran (especially MVP who drops and does alot of multi-prong harass)
Foridorker: Herp derp at least MVP wins when he all ins and MC hasnt won anything in months. He has been figured out.
Response: MC came in 2nd @ MLG Orlando and has beaten Bomber recently, and has maintained code S status again this month. He also advanced in his group... Yes he has been inconsistent, but he is still a great player.
Foridorer: herp derp that all in was terrible had no chance of working!
Response: Actually it had a good chance of working had it not been scouted.
Foridorker: Why didnt he deny scouting what a Code A noob just play a normal macro game after it was scouted.
Response: He denied 2 scouting scvs (1 hidden) and had stalkers in the middle of the map to deny further scouting and also hid his tech/WGs in a spot where a scan may/may not have caught it. You can't just macro up after you've invested into a robo blink and your opponent did a FE build. You're way too behind and especially against a guy like MVP you're basically dead
Foridorker: Herp derp.
I'm paraphrasing alot here, but basically every post in this thread contains some bronze level understanding of SC2. Its time to stop feeding the trolls. K thx.
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My apologies. I should learn to ignore trolls. On topic though, those who I think deserve to advance did advance.
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Foridorker: MC sucks he has been figured out all he does is All in. He "sucks" at Macro games.
Response: No - he has had Macro games in the past against great players including against Bomber and MVP and has won. MC is actually one of the best Macro Ps.
thats why MCs inconsistant he may pull out a few macro games here and there but its nothing he can actually be consistant with
Foridorker: herp derp I hate MC he only all ins herp derp
Response: Actually MVP all-ins just as much as MC, and people all in AGAINST MC alot too. How is he different than any other player? You need to change things up and do timing attacks with macro play in order to win tournaments. That map in particular is a good choice to all-in beacause it is extremely hard as a P to get a 3rd up against a Terran (especially MVP who drops and does alot of multi-prong harass)
MVP doesnt all-in near as mcuh as MC, MVP mixes in all-ins to catch people off guard
MC mixes in macro games to catch people off guard
Foridorker: Herp derp at least MVP wins when he all ins and MC hasnt won anything in months. He has been figured out.
Response: MC came in 2nd @ MLG Orlando and has beaten Bomber recently, and has maintained code S status again this month. He also advanced in his group... Yes he has been inconsistent, but he is still a great player.
wow getting 2nd at a foeigner event whats a crown jewel for him
how many MLGs has he been to? and isnt that his first time getting to teh finals?
Foridorer: herp derp that all in was terrible had no chance of working!
Response: Actually it had a good chance of working had it not been scouted.
MVP didnt even to try ahrd to hold that off pretty sure knowing about it 5 seconds later wouldnt ahve made much difference
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On December 13 2011 06:35 Bippzy wrote:
Here's my opinion
Hero: if he has the best pvz, he was too nervous to show it or needs to patch up some stuff.
Stephano: i "guess" he has really good pvz, but ive been seeing holes in it. In the ipl team league he's been getting oened by expo into colossus builds. And mc acted like bischu and did that again. His win vs hero is much less him than hero(sorry to discredit). Hero just let stephano get too far ahead
MVP: More all ins than you would expect, and more aggressiveness. As usual, scary as f***.
DRG: I thoroughly emjoyed his play, he seemed solidish. More solid then stephano, the zvz was interesting to watch too, i love the zerg bane vs expo ling wars that last minutes upon minutes.
MC: I...dunno. I feel like he needs a solidly aggressive way to play protoss and until then he's kinda mediocre. Mvp had the ee han scout and pwnt him too.
MVP has some great all-ins - but to be fair Terran has the best early all-ins in my opinion. Not becuase of imbalance, but because they are the hardest race to scout. They can wall off their choke and get a range unit out ASAP to deny OLs or probes. Add to that the fact that protoss has terrible early game scouting options and its quite easy to get away with all-ins as a Terran. That's what makes MVP so great. Because he is so unpredictable. He knows he can win long macro games, so as a Protoss you think I need to be greedy and FE in order to get ahead to stand a chance, but then you know in the back of your head that MVP also can throw in the odd bunker rush, 3rax, marine scv, 111 etc whenever he feels like it. Terran all-ins in the early to mid game are the hardest to scout. Even when you scout it its sometimes too late and just a BO loss. Combine these attributes with great micro/macro and elite decision making and you have a 3 time GSL champ.
On the other hand Protoss all-ins are pretty easy to scout. No expansion after the first or second stalker (depending if you get a zealot) is almost always a 1 base timing attack with the exception of the 3 gate FE pressure (which is pretty suboptimal FE if you ask me and you have to do some damage against a Terran FE in order for it to be worth it).
Once you know he hasnt expanded, all you need to do is scan to see what tech it is - be it a Immortal bust, Stargate play, Blink or DTs.
Yes there are some Stargate into expand or DT into expand that Protoss has, but they can be quite easy to defend once scouted, and Protoss needs to do at least SOME damage in order to stay even on macro. These builds are quite risky and have been used much less and less due to this. And when they fail the LRs are fliled with idiots about how "dumb" that build was and how it had no chance. Yet, whenever a Protoss 1 Gate FEs and gets all-inned and loses - the LR is filled with "Protoss needs to innovate and do different builds other than 1 Gate Fe". While to an extent I agree that P needs new builds, its kinda dumb when they try new things and cant pull it off then are crucified for not playing "standard".
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Sucks that you have to stream to watch is free. Since time isn't USA friendly so either USA fans miss it or have to pay to watch the replays.
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I am completely and utterly UNSURPRISED by tonights results -.-
MVP too stronk, need nerf
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Anyone else having problems loading the VoDs? They are loading so freaking slow while my internet should be able to load them in no time :/
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Aww... Didn't expect hero to lose all his games...
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On December 13 2011 08:09 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +Foridorker: MC sucks he has been figured out all he does is All in. He "sucks" at Macro games.
Response: No - he has had Macro games in the past against great players including against Bomber and MVP and has won. MC is actually one of the best Macro Ps. thats why MCs inconsistant he may pull out a few macro games here and there but its nothing he can actually be consistant with Show nested quote +Foridorker: herp derp I hate MC he only all ins herp derp
Response: Actually MVP all-ins just as much as MC, and people all in AGAINST MC alot too. How is he different than any other player? You need to change things up and do timing attacks with macro play in order to win tournaments. That map in particular is a good choice to all-in beacause it is extremely hard as a P to get a 3rd up against a Terran (especially MVP who drops and does alot of multi-prong harass) MVP doesnt all-in near as mcuh as MC, MVP mixes in all-ins to catch people off guard MC mixes in macro games to catch people off guard Show nested quote +Foridorker: Herp derp at least MVP wins when he all ins and MC hasnt won anything in months. He has been figured out.
Response: MC came in 2nd @ MLG Orlando and has beaten Bomber recently, and has maintained code S status again this month. He also advanced in his group... Yes he has been inconsistent, but he is still a great player. wow getting 2nd at a foeigner event whats a crown jewel for him how many MLGs has he been to? and isnt that his first time getting to teh finals? Show nested quote +Foridorer: herp derp that all in was terrible had no chance of working!
Response: Actually it had a good chance of working had it not been scouted. MVP didnt even to try ahrd to hold that off pretty sure knowing about it 5 seconds later wouldnt ahve made much difference
MLG Orlando wasn't just some random foreigner event. It is the one of the hardest foreign tournament of the year, only second to Providence. To me, that's quite an achievement considering the general situation of protoss by Korean level is not that good anyway. If you want me to put it more directly, please name me 2 protoss you think is better than him. He's in Code S with 61% winrate while Huk was raped by Keen a week ago and Naniwa was raped by Lucky a month ago. Please enlighten me which protoss has been showing better results. Oz? Yeah he had a pretty good run last gsl, but he has like 60 games in total recorded in TLPD and we need to see much more from him, let alone the fact that his win rate is pretty mediocre: 42% against terran and 53% overall. It's clear that you are biased against MC, but you shouldn't argue for the sake of winning instead of for the sake of finding the truth.
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On December 13 2011 07:50 CSanity wrote:
Can we just stop replying to Foridorker all together? Everything that he has been saying is absolute nonsense:
He has admited to actually hating MC 6 pages back, so its not wonder why he continues to cry. Just look at how these posts have gone:
Foridorker: MC sucks he has been figured out all he does is All in. He "sucks" at Macro games.
Response: No - he has had Macro games in the past against great players including against Bomber and MVP and has won. MC is actually one of the best Macro Ps.
Foridorker: herp derp I hate MC he only all ins herp derp
Response: Actually MVP all-ins just as much as MC, and people all in AGAINST MC alot too. How is he different than any other player? You need to change things up and do timing attacks with macro play in order to win tournaments. That map in particular is a good choice to all-in beacause it is extremely hard as a P to get a 3rd up against a Terran (especially MVP who drops and does alot of multi-prong harass)
Foridorker: Herp derp at least MVP wins when he all ins and MC hasnt won anything in months. He has been figured out.
Response: MC came in 2nd @ MLG Orlando and has beaten Bomber recently, and has maintained code S status again this month. He also advanced in his group... Yes he has been inconsistent, but he is still a great player.
Foridorer: herp derp that all in was terrible had no chance of working!
Response: Actually it had a good chance of working had it not been scouted.
Foridorker: Why didnt he deny scouting what a Code A noob just play a normal macro game after it was scouted.
Response: He denied 2 scouting scvs (1 hidden) and had stalkers in the middle of the map to deny further scouting and also hid his tech/WGs in a spot where a scan may/may not have caught it. You can't just macro up after you've invested into a robo blink and your opponent did a FE build. You're way too behind and especially against a guy like MVP you're basically dead
Foridorker: Herp derp.
I'm paraphrasing alot here, but basically every post in this thread contains some bronze level understanding of SC2. Its time to stop feeding the trolls. K thx.
It's my BDay too^^
And I actually agree, MC is one of the best macro protosses. If you saw the NASL finals of him vs puma, then you would'nt doubt it. His macro was actually better than Pumas and that series is what got me back into SC2. I think MC 1 base allin was a smart decision. That map is really hard for protoss to get a 3rd base, so they really have to resort to 1 or 2 base timing attacks. It's all so hard to scout a 3 rax allin from a fast expand.
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Saw this group and realized how f'ing stacked it was.
Sorry to Stephano+Hero.
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