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Contrary to popular belief Stephano is not from the States, any mindless spam asserting otherwise after this time (19:48 KST/ 5:48 AM EST/ 10:48 GMT) will meet a moderator response. We have enough confusing spam posting in LR threads these days. Lets try to keep the love for everyone's favourite French zerg reasonable.

And as always:
- No player bashing.
- No caster bashing.
- No balance whining.

Enjoy the games.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
December 12 2011 21:03 GMT
#5481
MC got the last shittiest map possible. Crossfire needs to leave ASAP man, so frustrating to see how Protoss can take the third and 4th expo.
Zonor
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia36 Posts
December 12 2011 21:05 GMT
#5482
Was hoping for Stephano to get out of the group but loosing to the players he did is no shame and anyone who says otherwise is just plain stupid(its the best 10 of the year tournament, somebody had to lose even though everyone had a chance to get through)
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
December 12 2011 21:14 GMT
#5483
I was hoping Stephano would make it through, I wanted to see more of his games but oh well.
nRoot
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany928 Posts
December 12 2011 21:18 GMT
#5484
Korean VODs not working for anybody else? :/

I was rooting for HerO T_T
double620
Profile Joined July 2011
China804 Posts
December 12 2011 21:18 GMT
#5485
On December 13 2011 05:50 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 05:43 Forikorder wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:54 mordk wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:32 Forikorder wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:31 double620 wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:29 Forikorder wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:27 mordk wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:20 Forikorder wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:18 double620 wrote:
On December 13 2011 03:04 Forikorder wrote:
[quote]
and what does that have to do at all with MC choosing from the second the map started to do a terrible all-in that anyone could tell wouldnt work against someone as good as MVP?



I remember not long ago Mc 6 gate all-in Mvp and mvp could not stop it even with 5 bunkers.
In fact, Mc did show he can outplay Mvp in a macro game. Mvp is the one does not want to play macro game against Mc.

yet MC does a terrible 4 gate all-in....

Sigh... you're so blind I don't even know if you watch starcraft.

All-ins aren't random, you don't just do it against someone because he's better/worse/whatever. You plan an all-in when you think the map and opponent are suitable for that all-in. In this case, considering maps, MC's best shot was the early game timing. MVP scouted well and could hold it, doesn't mean it was a bad decision.

All-in =/= bad play.

MC is a great player, most likely still best protoss around. If you think he's bad you haven't watched enough of his games. You might not like his style, but that's a completely different story.

right MC was too scared to try and paly a macro game and did a bad all-in and lost becuase hes an inconsitant player wholl never be great


you can use that to describe what Mvp did to Hero.

ya but see MVP WON

MC didnt win

erego, MVP made the right choice and MC made the wrong choice
and since the only damage MC managed to do was kill a bunker and a few marines it was completely the wrong choice

Yeah, MC should have time travelled and ofc known exactly what MVP was going to do, and thus revert from all-inning...

MC chose to go with what, against that opponent, in that horrible map, was his best shot, because he's confident in his micro and FFs. He lost, it happens, it doesn't mean he's "terrible and can't win macro games". In reality, MC's macro games are usually awesome, he has some of the best macro of all P right now.

I insist, I'm not sure if you watch starcraft, or just blindly rant. I'm inclining for the latter.

he didnt even put up a fight, it was a poorly thought out all-in he would ahve been better trying to rush to DTs he barely even killed any SCVs

his all-in didnt even come close to almost suceeding he looked jsut like a code A or below player


The biggest problem with MC atm is inconsistency. But let's be honest, there's no protoss showing consistent result atm. Naniwa? Not a long time ago he got raped by lucky in code A first round once again. Hero? He looked amazing in foreign tournament but he's still not able to show any spectacular result in GSL. Huk just dropped out of code S and so did puzzle. However, MC did manage to take out bomber, who is widely considered one of the best macro terran, in macro games to get back to code S. I know he some times does all in, but who the hell doesn't? Every player plays to win and there's nothing wrong with it. MC still got sharp skills, when he stabilizes I'm sure he'll be able to win code S again.



the question is if it is Mc not being consistent or playing the race of protoss is just harder to be consistant?
double620
Profile Joined July 2011
China804 Posts
December 12 2011 21:21 GMT
#5486
On December 13 2011 06:05 Zonor wrote:
Was hoping for Stephano to get out of the group but loosing to the players he did is no shame and anyone who says otherwise is just plain stupid(its the best 10 of the year tournament, somebody had to lose even though everyone had a chance to get through)


Agree !
At the time ppl were saying he is the best. I disagree.
But he is a very good zerg for sure and he played well.
bigbeau
Profile Joined October 2010
368 Posts
December 12 2011 21:24 GMT
#5487
On December 13 2011 05:43 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 04:54 mordk wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:32 Forikorder wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:31 double620 wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:29 Forikorder wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:27 mordk wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:20 Forikorder wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:18 double620 wrote:
On December 13 2011 03:04 Forikorder wrote:
On December 13 2011 03:02 power-overwhelming wrote:
[quote]

Wait... I know you must be a troll or just deprived of logic, but I'll bit.

MC just beaten Bomber in a macro game. Out of every korean progamer, MC has been all-inned the most, especially by Terrans.

When you're hating on someone at least have something to back it up. For instance, MVP starts out his interviews with excuses such as "bad condition, jet lagged, lack of sleep etc". MC draws the worst maps and still advances and you don't see his interview full of map qq.


and what does that have to do at all with MC choosing from the second the map started to do a terrible all-in that anyone could tell wouldnt work against someone as good as MVP?



I remember not long ago Mc 6 gate all-in Mvp and mvp could not stop it even with 5 bunkers.
In fact, Mc did show he can outplay Mvp in a macro game. Mvp is the one does not want to play macro game against Mc.

yet MC does a terrible 4 gate all-in....

Sigh... you're so blind I don't even know if you watch starcraft.

All-ins aren't random, you don't just do it against someone because he's better/worse/whatever. You plan an all-in when you think the map and opponent are suitable for that all-in. In this case, considering maps, MC's best shot was the early game timing. MVP scouted well and could hold it, doesn't mean it was a bad decision.

All-in =/= bad play.

MC is a great player, most likely still best protoss around. If you think he's bad you haven't watched enough of his games. You might not like his style, but that's a completely different story.

right MC was too scared to try and paly a macro game and did a bad all-in and lost becuase hes an inconsitant player wholl never be great


you can use that to describe what Mvp did to Hero.

ya but see MVP WON

MC didnt win

erego, MVP made the right choice and MC made the wrong choice
and since the only damage MC managed to do was kill a bunker and a few marines it was completely the wrong choice

Yeah, MC should have time travelled and ofc known exactly what MVP was going to do, and thus revert from all-inning...

MC chose to go with what, against that opponent, in that horrible map, was his best shot, because he's confident in his micro and FFs. He lost, it happens, it doesn't mean he's "terrible and can't win macro games". In reality, MC's macro games are usually awesome, he has some of the best macro of all P right now.

I insist, I'm not sure if you watch starcraft, or just blindly rant. I'm inclining for the latter.

he didnt even put up a fight, it was a poorly thought out all-in he would ahve been better trying to rush to DTs he barely even killed any SCVs

his all-in didnt even come close to almost suceeding he looked jsut like a code A or below player


Dude, he got scouted. If that wasn't scouted Im pretty sure it would have worked. He would have been able to blink into the main snipe a few scvs then use blink micro vs like 16 marines. But as it happened, MVP was ready and the blink wouldve been on cooldown.

Im not saying it was a godly thought out build, but it was a pretty decent allin that had a good chance of working until the whole thing got scouted.
Gin-san
Profile Joined November 2011
Croatia92 Posts
December 12 2011 21:24 GMT
#5488
The 2 players I wanted to advance the most were eliminated. Now it's upon Nani to save the foreigner's honor.
Fulltime Troll brought to you by R1CH
Kcheddar
Profile Joined June 2011
United States21 Posts
December 12 2011 21:26 GMT
#5489
All-ins are part of the game. People need to stop whining about a strategy that wins most of the time cause it's not epic enough for the viewers.
DDie
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil2369 Posts
December 12 2011 21:27 GMT
#5490
Is there any way to watch the vods other than the gomtv website? It asks for a premium ticket..
''Television! Teacher, mother, secret lover.''
Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
December 12 2011 21:30 GMT
#5491
On December 12 2011 01:44 BoB_KiLLeR wrote:
Koreans vs Stephano.

Stephano would lose to the greater majority of good korean even decent ones. He couldnt even consistantly beat the great ones, MVP MMA and NesTea for instance would have 90+% win rates against hime while good an decent koreans 80+% winrates.
T: DeMuslim SeleCT. P: Naniwa Genius. Z: IdrA Destiny Team: EG
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 12 2011 21:30 GMT
#5492
On December 13 2011 06:24 bigbeau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 05:43 Forikorder wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:54 mordk wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:32 Forikorder wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:31 double620 wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:29 Forikorder wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:27 mordk wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:20 Forikorder wrote:
On December 13 2011 04:18 double620 wrote:
On December 13 2011 03:04 Forikorder wrote:
[quote]
and what does that have to do at all with MC choosing from the second the map started to do a terrible all-in that anyone could tell wouldnt work against someone as good as MVP?



I remember not long ago Mc 6 gate all-in Mvp and mvp could not stop it even with 5 bunkers.
In fact, Mc did show he can outplay Mvp in a macro game. Mvp is the one does not want to play macro game against Mc.

yet MC does a terrible 4 gate all-in....

Sigh... you're so blind I don't even know if you watch starcraft.

All-ins aren't random, you don't just do it against someone because he's better/worse/whatever. You plan an all-in when you think the map and opponent are suitable for that all-in. In this case, considering maps, MC's best shot was the early game timing. MVP scouted well and could hold it, doesn't mean it was a bad decision.

All-in =/= bad play.

MC is a great player, most likely still best protoss around. If you think he's bad you haven't watched enough of his games. You might not like his style, but that's a completely different story.

right MC was too scared to try and paly a macro game and did a bad all-in and lost becuase hes an inconsitant player wholl never be great


you can use that to describe what Mvp did to Hero.

ya but see MVP WON

MC didnt win

erego, MVP made the right choice and MC made the wrong choice
and since the only damage MC managed to do was kill a bunker and a few marines it was completely the wrong choice

Yeah, MC should have time travelled and ofc known exactly what MVP was going to do, and thus revert from all-inning...

MC chose to go with what, against that opponent, in that horrible map, was his best shot, because he's confident in his micro and FFs. He lost, it happens, it doesn't mean he's "terrible and can't win macro games". In reality, MC's macro games are usually awesome, he has some of the best macro of all P right now.

I insist, I'm not sure if you watch starcraft, or just blindly rant. I'm inclining for the latter.

he didnt even put up a fight, it was a poorly thought out all-in he would ahve been better trying to rush to DTs he barely even killed any SCVs

his all-in didnt even come close to almost suceeding he looked jsut like a code A or below player


Dude, he got scouted. If that wasn't scouted Im pretty sure it would have worked. He would have been able to blink into the main snipe a few scvs then use blink micro vs like 16 marines. But as it happened, MVP was ready and the blink wouldve been on cooldown.

Im not saying it was a godly thought out build, but it was a pretty decent allin that had a good chance of working until the whole thing got scouted.

well golly gee maybe he should ahve prevented one SCV from waltzing into his base then or at least jsut pulled back and tried to go into a normal game instead of slitting his own throat by commiting
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
December 12 2011 21:35 GMT
#5493
Here's my opinion

Hero: if he has the best pvz, he was too nervous to show it or needs to patch up some stuff.

Stephano: i "guess" he has really good pvz, but ive been seeing holes in it. In the ipl team league he's been getting oened by expo into colossus builds. And mc acted like bischu and did that again. His win vs hero is much less him than hero(sorry to discredit). Hero just let stephano get too far ahead

MVP: More all ins than you would expect, and more aggressiveness. As usual, scary as f***.

DRG: I thoroughly emjoyed his play, he seemed solidish. More solid then stephano, the zvz was interesting to watch too, i love the zerg bane vs expo ling wars that last minutes upon minutes.

MC: I...dunno. I feel like he needs a solidly aggressive way to play protoss and until then he's kinda mediocre. Mvp had the ee han scout and pwnt him too.
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bradfield
Profile Joined April 2011
Belize23 Posts
December 12 2011 21:41 GMT
#5494
Hero should change his name to TL_anHero

User was warned for this post
quote?
grtgrt1
Profile Joined February 2011
76 Posts
December 12 2011 21:43 GMT
#5495
On December 13 2011 06:35 Bippzy wrote:
Here's my opinion

Hero: if he has the best pvz, he was too nervous to show it or needs to patch up some stuff.

Stephano: i "guess" he has really good pvz, but ive been seeing holes in it. In the ipl team league he's been getting oened by expo into colossus builds. And mc acted like bischu and did that again. His win vs hero is much less him than hero(sorry to discredit). Hero just let stephano get too far ahead

MVP: More all ins than you would expect, and more aggressiveness. As usual, scary as f***.

DRG: I thoroughly emjoyed his play, he seemed solidish. More solid then stephano, the zvz was interesting to watch too, i love the zerg bane vs expo ling wars that last minutes upon minutes.

MC: I...dunno. I feel like he needs a solidly aggressive way to play protoss and until then he's kinda mediocre. Mvp had the ee han scout and pwnt him too.


Your opinion is a very rational and to the point opinion in my opinion.
SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
December 12 2011 21:45 GMT
#5496
isnt anyone else baffled by the build MVP used against Stephano?

marine/ BFH composition?
how did he know that stephano would rush to Infestors instead of getting banelings and/or roaches?

how the heck did he know?!
In Soviet Terranistan you rush the Zerg
Demizzle
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia397 Posts
December 12 2011 21:45 GMT
#5497
On December 13 2011 06:30 Forikorder wrote:

well golly gee maybe he should ahve prevented one SCV from waltzing into his base then or at least jsut pulled back and tried to go into a normal game instead of slitting his own throat by commiting


You're an idiot. How did you even figure out how to create an account if you're this dumb?
MC took out the initial scout. And he took out the hidden scout. Then he moved out. Probably wasn't expecting a 3rd scout hence the whole moving out issue. And when your opponent has had an expansion for several minutes if you don't commit, you're dead anyway.
Just stop talking.
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Share_The_Land
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada152 Posts
December 12 2011 21:48 GMT
#5498
On December 13 2011 05:52 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 05:45 Share_The_Land wrote:the guy has more builds than there are versions of Pokemon


Quoting for brilliance. Interesting question: If the players in this tournament were Pokemon (original 150), what would they be?

I'm putting forward MVP as Mewtwo.



For HerO vs MVP, his biggest mistake was just not scouting the barracks. It should be standard, especially when playing vs a player like MVP, to always scout for hidden buildings.


Haha thank you SeaSwift Not to be a big agreeing agree-er here but I would say Mewtwo for MVP also. I'm voting MC as Allakhazam, and the only other I can think of right now is Nestea as Mew, cause he just can't get away from MVP harassing him constantly in tourneys

Glad you mentioned that part about not scouting the hidden barracks. When making my post I knew there was a big scouting error Hero made but didn't want to push the point too much for I couldn't remember what it was. It was definitely a rookie mistake against somebody like MVP.
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-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
December 12 2011 21:50 GMT
#5499
Well that was that. I watched the vods. I hope i'm not being disrespectful, but i'm a man who makes spoiled milk into cheese. Does this mean Hero will start streaming again!?

Happy 3 top tier Kors mad it through. PZT. Sick.
MenSol[ZerO]
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1134 Posts
December 12 2011 21:50 GMT
#5500
On December 13 2011 06:30 Catatonic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 01:44 BoB_KiLLeR wrote:
Koreans vs Stephano.

Stephano would lose to the greater majority of good korean even decent ones. He couldnt even consistantly beat the great ones, MVP MMA and NesTea for instance would have 90+% win rates against hime while good an decent koreans 80+% winrates.


your joking right, you think the decent koreans would beat him 80%+ LOL. he has already proved you wrong man
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