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On December 19 2011 05:16 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:06 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:02 Xeris wrote:
Why do more Koreans get their flights paid ? o_O just to make sure they will come, because the korean teams are not that willing to pay the whole trip. What if I'm not willing to pay for KawaiiRice, will TaKe pay for his flight too? That seems kinda unfair if he won't offer the same for all regions.
The idea is that foreign teams have more money than Korean teams which is true (except maybe Slayers).
Whether you disagree with that thought process is your own decision and note I do not give an opinion, just want to point out the thought process.
On December 19 2011 05:25 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:22 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:16 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:06 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:02 Xeris wrote:
Why do more Koreans get their flights paid ? o_O just to make sure they will come, because the korean teams are not that willing to pay the whole trip. What if I'm not willing to pay for KawaiiRice, will TaKe pay for his flight too? That seems kinda unfair if he won't offer the same for all regions. no because kawaiirice has a team at his back which usually send thier players to international tournaments. korean teams usually cant send thier players because they dont have that much money so they have to be very selective about which foreign tournaments they gonna attend to. I dunno I'm against giving special treatment to people. And also, seems pretty weird that you assume the financial situation of some teams / players. Just because KawaiiRice is in Fnatic doesn't mean that it's any easier to send him to an event. In either case, if TaKe is paying for 2 koreans to attend, he should also offer to pay for the 2nd place finisher in the NA / EU qualifier. That would be the most fair... I'm not really bitter or angry, but I just don't personally agree with giving someone special treatment because they are more popular / better / not in a team that has money, or whatever reason. These things should be based on merit IMO, it's the most fair way. Either way the tournament will be amazing, I'm just stating my opinion. TaKe is a great dude and I'm sure there are reasons for why he does everything.
But by that logic, you can also argue that KR, Attero, and Violet got in because they were playing from an easier server rather than any tournament based on merit. Actually, going by merit, the tournament should be mostly Korean....
Just so we're clear, I think it's great KR qualified and I understand where you're coming from, but I just don't agree with the argument you're making because I feel like it's flawed.
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EDIT: double post, pls delete.
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On December 19 2011 05:25 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:22 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:16 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:06 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:02 Xeris wrote:
Why do more Koreans get their flights paid ? o_O just to make sure they will come, because the korean teams are not that willing to pay the whole trip. What if I'm not willing to pay for KawaiiRice, will TaKe pay for his flight too? That seems kinda unfair if he won't offer the same for all regions. no because kawaiirice has a team at his back which usually send thier players to international tournaments. korean teams usually cant send thier players because they dont have that much money so they have to be very selective about which foreign tournaments they gonna attend to. I dunno I'm against giving special treatment to people. And also, seems pretty weird that you assume the financial situation of some teams / players. Just because KawaiiRice is in Fnatic doesn't mean that it's any easier to send him to an event. In either case, if TaKe is paying for 2 koreans to attend, he should also offer to pay for the 2nd place finisher in the NA / EU qualifier. That would be the most fair... I'm not really bitter or angry, but I just don't personally agree with giving someone special treatment because they are more popular / better / not in a team that has money, or whatever reason. These things should be based on merit IMO, it's the most fair way. Either way the tournament will be amazing, I'm just stating my opinion. TaKe is a great dude and I'm sure there are reasons for why he does everything.
I totally agree with you.
And im pretty sure that Take wont mind a request from your side regarding that topic.
edit: Hasu figthing !
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Going through bunch of random na dude's is much easier than going through koreans even if they were random but most weren't. would make sense if more koreans were paid
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On December 19 2011 05:25 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:22 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:16 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:06 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:02 Xeris wrote:
Why do more Koreans get their flights paid ? o_O just to make sure they will come, because the korean teams are not that willing to pay the whole trip. What if I'm not willing to pay for KawaiiRice, will TaKe pay for his flight too? That seems kinda unfair if he won't offer the same for all regions. no because kawaiirice has a team at his back which usually send thier players to international tournaments. korean teams usually cant send thier players because they dont have that much money so they have to be very selective about which foreign tournaments they gonna attend to. I dunno I'm against giving special treatment to people. And also, seems pretty weird that you assume the financial situation of some teams / players. Just because KawaiiRice is in Fnatic doesn't mean that it's any easier to send him to an event. In either case, if TaKe is paying for 2 koreans to attend, he should also offer to pay for the 2nd place finisher in the NA / EU qualifier. That would be the most fair... I'm not really bitter or angry, but I just don't personally agree with giving someone special treatment because they are more popular / better / not in a team that has money, or whatever reason. These things should be based on merit IMO, it's the most fair way. Either way the tournament will be amazing, I'm just stating my opinion. TaKe is a great dude and I'm sure there are reasons for why he does everything.
I think the fans wouldn't mind if you don't send KawaiiRice to the event. That way another big name would get the invite.
/sarcasm off
but i hope you get the point that it should be a privilege to be a part of HSC not about the fighting of costs 
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On December 19 2011 05:16 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:06 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:02 Xeris wrote:
Why do more Koreans get their flights paid ? o_O just to make sure they will come, because the korean teams are not that willing to pay the whole trip. What if I'm not willing to pay for KawaiiRice, will TaKe pay for his flight too? That seems kinda unfair if he won't offer the same for all regions.
Korea only gets 2 spots instead of 3, but in exchange they both get paid the travel instead of just one. Seems like a fair deal to me.
If it were completely equal across regions, you'd only have 2 spots in the NA qualifier. What place did Kawaii get again? :p
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Didnt Take only state that he wanted to try to help the second korean with the travel costs? Or did he say he wants to pay for everything?
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On December 19 2011 05:34 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:16 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:06 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:02 Xeris wrote:
Why do more Koreans get their flights paid ? o_O just to make sure they will come, because the korean teams are not that willing to pay the whole trip. What if I'm not willing to pay for KawaiiRice, will TaKe pay for his flight too? That seems kinda unfair if he won't offer the same for all regions. Korea only gets 2 spots instead of 3, but in exchange they both get paid the travel instead of just one. Seems like a fair deal to me. If it were completely equal across regions, you'd only have 2 spots in the NA qualifier. What place did Kawaii get again? :p
That'd be totally cool if both spots were paid.. oo:
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On December 19 2011 05:26 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:16 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:06 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:02 Xeris wrote:
Why do more Koreans get their flights paid ? o_O just to make sure they will come, because the korean teams are not that willing to pay the whole trip. What if I'm not willing to pay for KawaiiRice, will TaKe pay for his flight too? That seems kinda unfair if he won't offer the same for all regions. The idea is that foreign teams have more money than Korean teams which is true (except maybe Slayers). Whether you disagree with that thought process is your own decision and note I do not give an opinion, just want to point out the thought process. Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:25 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:22 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:16 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:06 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:02 Xeris wrote:
Why do more Koreans get their flights paid ? o_O just to make sure they will come, because the korean teams are not that willing to pay the whole trip. What if I'm not willing to pay for KawaiiRice, will TaKe pay for his flight too? That seems kinda unfair if he won't offer the same for all regions. no because kawaiirice has a team at his back which usually send thier players to international tournaments. korean teams usually cant send thier players because they dont have that much money so they have to be very selective about which foreign tournaments they gonna attend to. I dunno I'm against giving special treatment to people. And also, seems pretty weird that you assume the financial situation of some teams / players. Just because KawaiiRice is in Fnatic doesn't mean that it's any easier to send him to an event. In either case, if TaKe is paying for 2 koreans to attend, he should also offer to pay for the 2nd place finisher in the NA / EU qualifier. That would be the most fair... I'm not really bitter or angry, but I just don't personally agree with giving someone special treatment because they are more popular / better / not in a team that has money, or whatever reason. These things should be based on merit IMO, it's the most fair way. Either way the tournament will be amazing, I'm just stating my opinion. TaKe is a great dude and I'm sure there are reasons for why he does everything. But by that logic, you can also argue that KR, Attero, and Violet got in because they were playing from an easier server rather than any tournament based on merit. Actually, going by merit, the tournament should be mostly Korean.... Just so we're clear, I think it's great KR qualified and I understand where you're coming from, but I just don't agree with the argument you're making because I feel like it's flawed.
That merit argument doesn't work. The fact that he separated qualifier by region means that he wanted NA , EU , and KR representatives. So... Violet, Attero, and KawaiiRice earned spots based on merit regionally. Just because Korea is better doesn't make qualifying from NA less valid, if there is a specific NA qualifier.
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On December 19 2011 05:35 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:34 Bobster wrote:On December 19 2011 05:16 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:06 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:02 Xeris wrote:
Why do more Koreans get their flights paid ? o_O just to make sure they will come, because the korean teams are not that willing to pay the whole trip. What if I'm not willing to pay for KawaiiRice, will TaKe pay for his flight too? That seems kinda unfair if he won't offer the same for all regions. Korea only gets 2 spots instead of 3, but in exchange they both get paid the travel instead of just one. Seems like a fair deal to me. If it were completely equal across regions, you'd only have 2 spots in the NA qualifier. What place did Kawaii get again? :p That'd be totally cool if both spots were paid.. oo:
Yeah because you would not have to pay for KawaiiRice then 
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I suppose they'll just have to have no NA qualifier then to satisfy you. Seriously that's the only alternative as they won't get Korean players if they don't pay their flights and they can't afford to pay everyone
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On December 19 2011 05:36 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:26 wklbishop wrote:On December 19 2011 05:16 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:06 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:02 Xeris wrote:
Why do more Koreans get their flights paid ? o_O just to make sure they will come, because the korean teams are not that willing to pay the whole trip. What if I'm not willing to pay for KawaiiRice, will TaKe pay for his flight too? That seems kinda unfair if he won't offer the same for all regions. The idea is that foreign teams have more money than Korean teams which is true (except maybe Slayers). Whether you disagree with that thought process is your own decision and note I do not give an opinion, just want to point out the thought process. On December 19 2011 05:25 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:22 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:16 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:06 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:02 Xeris wrote:
Why do more Koreans get their flights paid ? o_O just to make sure they will come, because the korean teams are not that willing to pay the whole trip. What if I'm not willing to pay for KawaiiRice, will TaKe pay for his flight too? That seems kinda unfair if he won't offer the same for all regions. no because kawaiirice has a team at his back which usually send thier players to international tournaments. korean teams usually cant send thier players because they dont have that much money so they have to be very selective about which foreign tournaments they gonna attend to. I dunno I'm against giving special treatment to people. And also, seems pretty weird that you assume the financial situation of some teams / players. Just because KawaiiRice is in Fnatic doesn't mean that it's any easier to send him to an event. In either case, if TaKe is paying for 2 koreans to attend, he should also offer to pay for the 2nd place finisher in the NA / EU qualifier. That would be the most fair... I'm not really bitter or angry, but I just don't personally agree with giving someone special treatment because they are more popular / better / not in a team that has money, or whatever reason. These things should be based on merit IMO, it's the most fair way. Either way the tournament will be amazing, I'm just stating my opinion. TaKe is a great dude and I'm sure there are reasons for why he does everything. But by that logic, you can also argue that KR, Attero, and Violet got in because they were playing from an easier server rather than any tournament based on merit. Actually, going by merit, the tournament should be mostly Korean.... Just so we're clear, I think it's great KR qualified and I understand where you're coming from, but I just don't agree with the argument you're making because I feel like it's flawed. That merit argument doesn't work. The fact that he separated qualifier by region means that he wanted NA , EU , and KR representatives. So... Violet, Attero, and KawaiiRice earned spots based on merit regionally. Just because Korea is better doesn't make qualifying from NA less valid, if there is a specific NA qualifier.
You're right, you're completely right.
That's why your argument doesn't work. I mean... how is separating people by server any different than separating people by popularity/"better"/not in a team that has money, or whatever reason. Well the difference is like you said, he did it, aka TaKe.
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On December 19 2011 05:35 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:34 Bobster wrote:On December 19 2011 05:16 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:06 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:02 Xeris wrote:
Why do more Koreans get their flights paid ? o_O just to make sure they will come, because the korean teams are not that willing to pay the whole trip. What if I'm not willing to pay for KawaiiRice, will TaKe pay for his flight too? That seems kinda unfair if he won't offer the same for all regions. Korea only gets 2 spots instead of 3, but in exchange they both get paid the travel instead of just one. Seems like a fair deal to me. If it were completely equal across regions, you'd only have 2 spots in the NA qualifier. What place did Kawaii get again? :p That'd be totally cool if both spots were paid.. oo:
Afaik, there is no indication that the second place finisher will have all expenses fully provided for. For example, TaKe might only be willing to cover half of the airfare - in which case, would you still be cool with only having two spots?
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I agree with Xeris on this one, but it would be nice to hear Takes points and not just opinions of random TLers who like to argue. Koreans are the best players but i believe the tournament doesn't need them to be valid, exciting and high level.
Edit: also i don't remember Take saying he will pay the second place Koreans trip. Did i miss that?
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ok... so I asked this some pages back, is the 2nd place actually going to get his flight and expenses covered? Because as far as I know there hasn't been much word on it...
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On December 19 2011 05:36 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:26 wklbishop wrote:On December 19 2011 05:16 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:06 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:02 Xeris wrote:
Why do more Koreans get their flights paid ? o_O just to make sure they will come, because the korean teams are not that willing to pay the whole trip. What if I'm not willing to pay for KawaiiRice, will TaKe pay for his flight too? That seems kinda unfair if he won't offer the same for all regions. The idea is that foreign teams have more money than Korean teams which is true (except maybe Slayers). Whether you disagree with that thought process is your own decision and note I do not give an opinion, just want to point out the thought process. On December 19 2011 05:25 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:22 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:16 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:06 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:02 Xeris wrote:
Why do more Koreans get their flights paid ? o_O just to make sure they will come, because the korean teams are not that willing to pay the whole trip. What if I'm not willing to pay for KawaiiRice, will TaKe pay for his flight too? That seems kinda unfair if he won't offer the same for all regions. no because kawaiirice has a team at his back which usually send thier players to international tournaments. korean teams usually cant send thier players because they dont have that much money so they have to be very selective about which foreign tournaments they gonna attend to. I dunno I'm against giving special treatment to people. And also, seems pretty weird that you assume the financial situation of some teams / players. Just because KawaiiRice is in Fnatic doesn't mean that it's any easier to send him to an event. In either case, if TaKe is paying for 2 koreans to attend, he should also offer to pay for the 2nd place finisher in the NA / EU qualifier. That would be the most fair... I'm not really bitter or angry, but I just don't personally agree with giving someone special treatment because they are more popular / better / not in a team that has money, or whatever reason. These things should be based on merit IMO, it's the most fair way. Either way the tournament will be amazing, I'm just stating my opinion. TaKe is a great dude and I'm sure there are reasons for why he does everything. But by that logic, you can also argue that KR, Attero, and Violet got in because they were playing from an easier server rather than any tournament based on merit. Actually, going by merit, the tournament should be mostly Korean.... Just so we're clear, I think it's great KR qualified and I understand where you're coming from, but I just don't agree with the argument you're making because I feel like it's flawed. That merit argument doesn't work. The fact that he separated qualifier by region means that he wanted NA , EU , and KR representatives. So... Violet, Attero, and KawaiiRice earned spots based on merit regionally. Just because Korea is better doesn't make qualifying from NA less valid, if there is a specific NA qualifier.
Wait so why did the merit argument work when NASL offered to pay for Korean's trips to NASL finals?
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ROFL!
This is my first live tie
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On December 19 2011 05:58 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 05:36 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:26 wklbishop wrote:On December 19 2011 05:16 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:06 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:02 Xeris wrote:
Why do more Koreans get their flights paid ? o_O just to make sure they will come, because the korean teams are not that willing to pay the whole trip. What if I'm not willing to pay for KawaiiRice, will TaKe pay for his flight too? That seems kinda unfair if he won't offer the same for all regions. The idea is that foreign teams have more money than Korean teams which is true (except maybe Slayers). Whether you disagree with that thought process is your own decision and note I do not give an opinion, just want to point out the thought process. On December 19 2011 05:25 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:22 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:16 Xeris wrote:On December 19 2011 05:06 arkedos wrote:On December 19 2011 05:02 Xeris wrote:
Why do more Koreans get their flights paid ? o_O just to make sure they will come, because the korean teams are not that willing to pay the whole trip. What if I'm not willing to pay for KawaiiRice, will TaKe pay for his flight too? That seems kinda unfair if he won't offer the same for all regions. no because kawaiirice has a team at his back which usually send thier players to international tournaments. korean teams usually cant send thier players because they dont have that much money so they have to be very selective about which foreign tournaments they gonna attend to. I dunno I'm against giving special treatment to people. And also, seems pretty weird that you assume the financial situation of some teams / players. Just because KawaiiRice is in Fnatic doesn't mean that it's any easier to send him to an event. In either case, if TaKe is paying for 2 koreans to attend, he should also offer to pay for the 2nd place finisher in the NA / EU qualifier. That would be the most fair... I'm not really bitter or angry, but I just don't personally agree with giving someone special treatment because they are more popular / better / not in a team that has money, or whatever reason. These things should be based on merit IMO, it's the most fair way. Either way the tournament will be amazing, I'm just stating my opinion. TaKe is a great dude and I'm sure there are reasons for why he does everything. But by that logic, you can also argue that KR, Attero, and Violet got in because they were playing from an easier server rather than any tournament based on merit. Actually, going by merit, the tournament should be mostly Korean.... Just so we're clear, I think it's great KR qualified and I understand where you're coming from, but I just don't agree with the argument you're making because I feel like it's flawed. That merit argument doesn't work. The fact that he separated qualifier by region means that he wanted NA , EU , and KR representatives. So... Violet, Attero, and KawaiiRice earned spots based on merit regionally. Just because Korea is better doesn't make qualifying from NA less valid, if there is a specific NA qualifier. Wait so why did the merit argument work when NASL offered to pay for Korean's trips to NASL finals?
We DIDNT do that, which is why they didn't play in Season 2. We gave every player the same deal O_O
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