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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
December 18 2011 22:13 GMT
#1641
On December 19 2011 06:58 LiamTheZerg wrote:
best players in the world. lol.


?
you have to hype things, you know?
and its pretty close to "the best players in the world" if you dont want to have mass koreans.


you guys acutally realize that they show IEM qualifiers for like 4 hours now, which have nothing to do with the HSC?^^ Most ppl seem to comment on those games in the thread here
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Kazil
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany566 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 22:25:30
December 18 2011 22:24 GMT
#1642
On December 19 2011 06:58 LiamTheZerg wrote:
best players in the world. lol.


most entertaining players in the world

Better?


On December 19 2011 07:13 KalWarkov wrote:
you guys acutally realize that they show IEM qualifiers for like 4 hours now, which have nothing to do with the HSC?^^ Most ppl seem to comment on those games in the thread here


IEM is there to shorten the time till HSC4
"SCVs build faster if you queue them up." - Goody (to ClouD at HSC4)
YipMan
Profile Joined April 2011
372 Posts
December 18 2011 22:28 GMT
#1643
On December 19 2011 06:53 Rowa wrote:
http://memegenerator.net/instance/12398233

Check that link out, :D

This is epic.


Fuck that's truly epic lol
I scream, you scream, we all scream for ice cream
Desert Fox
Profile Joined August 2011
United States352 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 23:40:24
December 18 2011 23:37 GMT
#1644
I'm not grudging or envious ... and I know that only 1st got the flight paid. I'm not even arguing that KawaiiRice should have his trip paid. I'm just saying that I don't agree with different policies for different regions. Everyone should get the same treatment. I.E. if 2 koreans are getting their flight paid, then the top 2 from the other regions should get paid too. Just looking for equality.

Anyway that's all I'll say about it.


This is not difficult, nor is it new.

1. Because the two regions are not on the same level. Everyone knows that, including Blizzard. The Korean server houses the Koreans, who are at the pinnacle of StarCraft 2 and who dominate almost every tournament they're involved at. It's the same principle that leads to utilizing UEFA coefficients for the UEFA Champions League in Association Football. The top leagues of Europe get more spots because more dominating teams/players come from those leagues. La Liga, the English Premier League and the Bundesliga get 4 spots in the UEFA tournament whereas the Dutch Eredivise gets 2.

Regions with less skilled players should not get the same treatment in qualifiers. This is simple and it wholly effects the quality of the tournament. Best example is the Blizzard Invitational and the MLG Invitational. What were the results of equal distribution of players? Korean dominance in the Top 4, Top 2 and Champion. Naniwa won the latter tournament against a Korean but the top 4 was still occupied by 2 Koreans and 1 NA and 1 EU. Why should there be equal distribution among regions when those regions get destroyed in the first rounds by Korean players? There should be skilled players who offer a chance with the "right amount" of non-Koreans until the non-Korean scene can wholly elevate their level of play.

2. This is a tournament being held in Europe which is disadvantageous for any Koreans. To be marketable to people who want to see truly skilled players, there must be a decent size of Korean players. It is only intelligent to offer more placement spots for Koreans since it is a verifiable fact (see above) that they will likely dominate a tournament. MLG does this, it is as a great incentive to them to have 4 Koreans show up and dominate their group and for the top 6 of their tournament to be Koreans. They exploded in viewership when this occurred and that was because the Koreans provided the best games and the best storylines (fighting against North Americans and Europeans).

I am sorry you're unable to understand these simple facts. If you want to whine about it, you're whining against a history of proven success. Your "guy" isn't as good as the Koreans, he probably never will be and you'll have to deal with him taking 2nd place in a weak region. If he had to qualify through Korea in any tournament, he'd be dismantled. He's fortunate he has the opportunity to do so with less skilled players.
And on the pedestal these words appear -- "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.
baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
December 19 2011 00:04 GMT
#1645
On December 19 2011 08:37 Desert Fox wrote:
Show nested quote +
I'm not grudging or envious ... and I know that only 1st got the flight paid. I'm not even arguing that KawaiiRice should have his trip paid. I'm just saying that I don't agree with different policies for different regions. Everyone should get the same treatment. I.E. if 2 koreans are getting their flight paid, then the top 2 from the other regions should get paid too. Just looking for equality.

Anyway that's all I'll say about it.


This is not difficult, nor is it new.

1. Because the two regions are not on the same level. Everyone knows that, including Blizzard. The Korean server houses the Koreans, who are at the pinnacle of StarCraft 2 and who dominate almost every tournament they're involved at. It's the same principle that leads to utilizing UEFA coefficients for the UEFA Champions League in Association Football. The top leagues of Europe get more spots because more dominating teams/players come from those leagues. La Liga, the English Premier League and the Bundesliga get 4 spots in the UEFA tournament whereas the Dutch Eredivise gets 2.

Regions with less skilled players should not get the same treatment in qualifiers. This is simple and it wholly effects the quality of the tournament. Best example is the Blizzard Invitational and the MLG Invitational. What were the results of equal distribution of players? Korean dominance in the Top 4, Top 2 and Champion. Naniwa won the latter tournament against a Korean but the top 4 was still occupied by 2 Koreans and 1 NA and 1 EU. Why should there be equal distribution among regions when those regions get destroyed in the first rounds by Korean players? There should be skilled players who offer a chance with the "right amount" of non-Koreans until the non-Korean scene can wholly elevate their level of play.

2. This is a tournament being held in Europe which is disadvantageous for any Koreans. To be marketable to people who want to see truly skilled players, there must be a decent size of Korean players. It is only intelligent to offer more placement spots for Koreans since it is a verifiable fact (see above) that they will likely dominate a tournament. MLG does this, it is as a great incentive to them to have 4 Koreans show up and dominate their group and for the top 6 of their tournament to be Koreans. They exploded in viewership when this occurred and that was because the Koreans provided the best games and the best storylines (fighting against North Americans and Europeans).

I am sorry you're unable to understand these simple facts. If you want to whine about it, you're whining against a history of proven success. Your "guy" isn't as good as the Koreans, he probably never will be and you'll have to deal with him taking 2nd place in a weak region. If he had to qualify through Korea in any tournament, he'd be dismantled. He's fortunate he has the opportunity to do so with less skilled players.


I agree with your points although the language was a little strong. Xeris should also appreciate the popularity and legitimacy of Koreans considering that MC/Puma saved NASL1 and same with Hero/Puma in season 2.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 01:43:11
December 19 2011 00:57 GMT
#1646
so it looks like the following players are invited to HSC IV

Invited does not mean that they are 100% confirmed to come.


(30/32)
officially announced invites are marked with an [image loading]
other announcements are very "legit" leaks.



Protoss

[image loading] HuK
[image loading] HerO [image loading]
[image loading] Naniwa [image loading]
[image loading] White-Ra
[image loading] Socke [image loading]
[image loading] HasuObs [image loading]
[image loading] Grubby [image loading]
[image loading] NightEnD [image loading]
[image loading] Adelscott [image loading]
[image loading] Attero [image loading]
[image loading] iNcontroL [image loading]


Terran

[image loading] PuMa [image loading]
[image loading] ThorZaiN
[image loading] Kas [image loading]
[image loading] DeMusliM
[image loading] Sound [image loading]
[image loading] GoOdy [image loading]
[image loading] ClouD
[image loading] KawaiiRice [image loading]
[image loading] Naama [image loading]
[image loading] Tarson


Zerg

[image loading] Stephano [image loading]
[image loading] IdrA
[image loading] RevivaL [image loading]
[image loading] viOlet [image loading]
[image loading] Dimaga [image loading]
[image loading] Ret [image loading]
[image loading] Sheth
[image loading] DarKFoRcE
[image loading] Destiny





DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
iNbluE
Profile Joined January 2011
Switzerland674 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 01:36:41
December 19 2011 01:36 GMT
#1647
DeMuslim just told MoMan that he'd be there. Sorry if it was already confirmed.
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
December 19 2011 01:41 GMT
#1648
On December 19 2011 09:57 KalWarkov wrote:
so it looks like the following players are invited to HSC IV

Invited does not mean that they are 100% confirmed to come.


(30/32)
officially announced invites are marked with an [image loading]
other announcements are very "legit" leaks.



Protoss

[image loading] HuK
[image loading] HerO [image loading]
[image loading] Naniwa [image loading]
[image loading] White-Ra
[image loading] Socke [image loading]
[image loading] HasuObs [image loading]
[image loading] Grubby [image loading]
[image loading] NightEnD [image loading]
[image loading] Adelscott [image loading]
[image loading] Attero [image loading]
[image loading] iNcontroL [image loading]


Terran

[image loading] PuMa [image loading]
[image loading] ThorZaiN
[image loading] Kas [image loading]
[image loading] DeMusliM
[image loading] Sound [image loading]
[image loading] GoOdy [image loading]
[image loading] ClouD
[image loading] KawaiiRice [image loading]
[image loading] Naama [image loading]
[image loading] Tarson


Zerg

[image loading] Stephano [image loading]
[image loading] IdrA
[image loading] RevivaL [image loading]
[image loading] viOlet [image loading]
[image loading] Dimaga
[image loading] Ret [image loading]
[image loading] Sheth
[image loading] DarKFoRcE
[image loading] Destiny







Dimaga qualified and Take said he was invited anyway during the cast...
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
December 19 2011 01:44 GMT
#1649
yep, true. my mistake^^
demuslim wasnt confirmed, its a new information from himself i believe

but it was pretty obvious anyway :D
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
OKMarius
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway469 Posts
December 19 2011 01:46 GMT
#1650
Anyone know if ToD is invited? He was the best player-commentator last time imo, so would love to see him there again. Would be surprised if he wasn't invited, considering the reputation he has among the former wc3-guys in europe (of which Take and Rotti are among) - but he might not accept the invite if he's in Korea.

Also, need more swedes, and MC..
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
December 19 2011 01:55 GMT
#1651
On December 19 2011 10:46 OKMarius wrote:
Anyone know if ToD is invited? He was the best player-commentator last time imo, so would love to see him there again. Would be surprised if he wasn't invited, considering the reputation he has among the former wc3-guys in europe (of which Take and Rotti are among) - but he might not accept the invite if he's in Korea.

Also, need more swedes, and MC..


Dno...

there are many possible invites left, like ToD, SaSe, SeleCt, more EG guys, TLO, some Swedes...
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
blacklist_member
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia318 Posts
December 19 2011 06:10 GMT
#1652
On December 19 2011 10:46 OKMarius wrote:
Anyone know if ToD is invited? He was the best player-commentator last time imo, so would love to see him there again. Would be surprised if he wasn't invited, considering the reputation he has among the former wc3-guys in europe (of which Take and Rotti are among) - but he might not accept the invite if he's in Korea.

Also, need more swedes, and MC..

Definitely agree with the MC part
MC and MKP fighting ^^
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
December 19 2011 06:12 GMT
#1653
this is one of the best tournies out there, the casting couch and the fun atmosphere, yet serious competition is amazing. Take knows how to run a tourny
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
Stark1
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada120 Posts
December 19 2011 06:34 GMT
#1654
Wow, I want to know what kind of smoke Incontrol blew up EG's ass to get them to pay for a trip to Germany. Well, that or whatever TaKe was high on at the time.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 19 2011 07:33 GMT
#1655
On December 19 2011 15:34 Stark1 wrote:
Wow, I want to know what kind of smoke Incontrol blew up EG's ass to get them to pay for a trip to Germany. Well, that or whatever TaKe was high on at the time.

iNcontroL has turned into EG's "Destiny" if you see what I'm going at. While he might not be the favorite to take the event, he's a fantastic community member and draws many viewers. I'm glad to see he's still attending events rather than just throwing in the towel.

GL Geoff!!
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
THM
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria1131 Posts
December 19 2011 12:19 GMT
#1656
On December 19 2011 08:37 Desert Fox wrote:
Show nested quote +
I'm not grudging or envious ... and I know that only 1st got the flight paid. I'm not even arguing that KawaiiRice should have his trip paid. I'm just saying that I don't agree with different policies for different regions. Everyone should get the same treatment. I.E. if 2 koreans are getting their flight paid, then the top 2 from the other regions should get paid too. Just looking for equality.

Anyway that's all I'll say about it.


This is not difficult, nor is it new.

1. Because the two regions are not on the same level. Everyone knows that, including Blizzard. The Korean server houses the Koreans, who are at the pinnacle of StarCraft 2 and who dominate almost every tournament they're involved at. It's the same principle that leads to utilizing UEFA coefficients for the UEFA Champions League in Association Football. The top leagues of Europe get more spots because more dominating teams/players come from those leagues. La Liga, the English Premier League and the Bundesliga get 4 spots in the UEFA tournament whereas the Dutch Eredivise gets 2.

Regions with less skilled players should not get the same treatment in qualifiers. This is simple and it wholly effects the quality of the tournament. Best example is the Blizzard Invitational and the MLG Invitational. What were the results of equal distribution of players? Korean dominance in the Top 4, Top 2 and Champion. Naniwa won the latter tournament against a Korean but the top 4 was still occupied by 2 Koreans and 1 NA and 1 EU. Why should there be equal distribution among regions when those regions get destroyed in the first rounds by Korean players? There should be skilled players who offer a chance with the "right amount" of non-Koreans until the non-Korean scene can wholly elevate their level of play.

2. This is a tournament being held in Europe which is disadvantageous for any Koreans. To be marketable to people who want to see truly skilled players, there must be a decent size of Korean players. It is only intelligent to offer more placement spots for Koreans since it is a verifiable fact (see above) that they will likely dominate a tournament. MLG does this, it is as a great incentive to them to have 4 Koreans show up and dominate their group and for the top 6 of their tournament to be Koreans. They exploded in viewership when this occurred and that was because the Koreans provided the best games and the best storylines (fighting against North Americans and Europeans).

I am sorry you're unable to understand these simple facts. If you want to whine about it, you're whining against a history of proven success. Your "guy" isn't as good as the Koreans, he probably never will be and you'll have to deal with him taking 2nd place in a weak region. If he had to qualify through Korea in any tournament, he'd be dismantled. He's fortunate he has the opportunity to do so with less skilled players.


This guy is so right..
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
December 19 2011 12:29 GMT
#1657
If they manage to get the Korean's drunk we might have ourself a close tournament.
Imabomb
Profile Joined June 2011
United States36 Posts
December 19 2011 19:51 GMT
#1658
Sheth said on his stream a few days ago that he had a wedding to attend, on the same day of the tournament.
"Whattt?!!?……… ohh wait, now it get it…kind of…"- myself in a 9am Sat. statistics class
Tarotis
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany1931 Posts
December 19 2011 19:53 GMT
#1659
Imagine someone like Flash will make his SC2 debut on Homestory cup....
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
December 19 2011 20:02 GMT
#1660
Shaping up to be an amazing tournament. A pity if we won't see either Bling of TItan, the new talent deserve to be represented there.
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