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zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
December 19 2011 20:06 GMT
#1661
Omg if Flash made his deubt here
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
Tarotis
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany1931 Posts
December 19 2011 20:10 GMT
#1662
On December 20 2011 05:02 m0ck wrote:
Shaping up to be an amazing tournament. A pity if we won't see either Bling of TItan, the new talent deserve to be represented there.

Titan isnt really a new talent, he hang around for quite a while already in the european online scene
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
December 19 2011 20:40 GMT
#1663
On December 20 2011 04:51 Imabomb wrote:
Sheth said on his stream a few days ago that he had a wedding to attend, on the same day of the tournament.


oh, thats sad. but he was invited at least^^
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
EdouarKiLL
Profile Joined October 2011
Russian Federation112 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 20:41:42
December 19 2011 20:41 GMT
#1664
On December 20 2011 05:10 Tarotis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 05:02 m0ck wrote:
Shaping up to be an amazing tournament. A pity if we won't see either Bling of TItan, the new talent deserve to be represented there.

Titan isnt really a new talent, he hang around for quite a while already in the european online scene


And in the ladder =)
Trololo
Der_Magen
Profile Joined April 2009
182 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 23:19:20
December 19 2011 23:12 GMT
#1665
On December 19 2011 08:37 Desert Fox wrote:
Show nested quote +
I'm not grudging or envious ... and I know that only 1st got the flight paid. I'm not even arguing that KawaiiRice should have his trip paid. I'm just saying that I don't agree with different policies for different regions. Everyone should get the same treatment. I.E. if 2 koreans are getting their flight paid, then the top 2 from the other regions should get paid too. Just looking for equality.

Anyway that's all I'll say about it.


This is not difficult, nor is it new.

1. Because the two regions are not on the same level. Everyone knows that, including Blizzard. The Korean server houses the Koreans, who are at the pinnacle of StarCraft 2 and who dominate almost every tournament they're involved at. It's the same principle that leads to utilizing UEFA coefficients for the UEFA Champions League in Association Football. The top leagues of Europe get more spots because more dominating teams/players come from those leagues. La Liga, the English Premier League and the Bundesliga get 4 spots in the UEFA tournament whereas the Dutch Eredivise gets 2.

Regions with less skilled players should not get the same treatment in qualifiers. This is simple and it wholly effects the quality of the tournament. Best example is the Blizzard Invitational and the MLG Invitational. What were the results of equal distribution of players? Korean dominance in the Top 4, Top 2 and Champion. Naniwa won the latter tournament against a Korean but the top 4 was still occupied by 2 Koreans and 1 NA and 1 EU. Why should there be equal distribution among regions when those regions get destroyed in the first rounds by Korean players? There should be skilled players who offer a chance with the "right amount" of non-Koreans until the non-Korean scene can wholly elevate their level of play.

2. This is a tournament being held in Europe which is disadvantageous for any Koreans. To be marketable to people who want to see truly skilled players, there must be a decent size of Korean players. It is only intelligent to offer more placement spots for Koreans since it is a verifiable fact (see above) that they will likely dominate a tournament. MLG does this, it is as a great incentive to them to have 4 Koreans show up and dominate their group and for the top 6 of their tournament to be Koreans. They exploded in viewership when this occurred and that was because the Koreans provided the best games and the best storylines (fighting against North Americans and Europeans).

I am sorry you're unable to understand these simple facts. If you want to whine about it, you're whining against a history of proven success. Your "guy" isn't as good as the Koreans, he probably never will be and you'll have to deal with him taking 2nd place in a weak region. If he had to qualify through Korea in any tournament, he'd be dismantled. He's fortunate he has the opportunity to do so with less skilled players.


You make it sound like Take is actually offering more spots to korean players... he is not.

I think the sole reason that Take said that he might also pay the flight for Revival is that it's always rather shitty for a tournament organizer if a qualified player decides not to participate... and, well, foreign teams are rather expected to have the funds to send their players around the globe. I don't have any personal experience with managing a team but in my opinion the fact that also players who were already invited participated in that qualifier to get the free flight/booze shows that the budget of the foreign teams also isn't limitless..

I really do hope that Kawaiirice (osu!-players hwaiting!) and Attero will be able to participate. Don't remember seeing any particular game by Attero but winning against Major is quite awesome and i think participating at HSC is pretty much the best way to gain some fans.

edit: Judging from kawaiirice's twitter it seems like his travel depends on fnatics decision... so pls Nightend vs Kawaiirice in the finals.. make it happen
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 00:49:48
December 20 2011 00:43 GMT
#1666
It is his tournament, his (or indirectly his through sponsors or investors) money, he can decide who gets what. Having Kawaiirice or Attero is not going to significantly improve the interest in the tournament when compared to a korean, no disrespect to them. Maybe if NASL had offered Koreans more special treatment they wouldn't have had the dismal regular season viewership that they did, sometimes what is "fair" for the players is not in the best interest of the organizers or viewers.

Another example would be Idra or Sen's Code S spot. I'm sure many Korean players feel it is unfair they have been seeded directly into Code S. At the end of the day though it is a good move for us viewers and for GOM.
McGregsen
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany110 Posts
December 20 2011 17:56 GMT
#1667
New information is available at http://www.taketv.net. Including some sad news about Kas as well as new pixelated invites ;-)
Ramuh
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany238 Posts
December 20 2011 18:01 GMT
#1668
Take just spoilered Cloud, which is not really a surprise

And here is the new picture

http://f.cl.ly/items/3S061M2v2C1B212p041Z/pgrid.png
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 18:04:02
December 20 2011 18:03 GMT
#1669
Noo, Kas!

Dimaga was not invited, he really got in through the qualifiers? I don't believe it for a second, and that would open up another spot.
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 18:36:54
December 20 2011 18:36 GMT
#1670
Is that Jinro on the fifth picture, a korean on the sixth picture, and . .. I don't know. I am bad at these sort of things.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
ngri
Profile Joined October 2010
Luxembourg136 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 18:50:01
December 20 2011 18:49 GMT
#1671
On December 21 2011 03:36 McFeser wrote:
Is that Jinro on the fifth picture, a korean on the sixth picture, and . .. I don't know. I am bad at these sort of things.


Pff these are much harder...

I actually thought #5 is Thorzain =/

Edit: Is #1 even a face!?
sa1330
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany43 Posts
December 20 2011 18:49 GMT
#1672
#2 looks like mondragon :>
McGregsen
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany110 Posts
December 20 2011 18:54 GMT
#1673
On December 21 2011 03:49 ngri wrote:

I actually thought #5 is Thorzain =/



Looks like that to me as well. Some of the others actually look familiar but I can't think of the actual person.
CEPEHDREI
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1521 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 19:04:03
December 20 2011 19:03 GMT
#1674
#5 looks like PuMa to me.

i dont know what the rest is. doesnt even look like faces.
OMGKEI
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia590 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 19:11:40
December 20 2011 19:08 GMT
#1675
#1 MC?
Edit: 90% sure thats him after comparing with the main picture in his fanclub
Larsin
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands162 Posts
December 20 2011 19:08 GMT
#1676
I am thinking of going from Almere ,Holland. but i hate going alone (even if i dont know u)
i dont know wich day or whatever, first seeing if anyone is interested.

but if anyone is interested in going gimme a PM.

I got a car
CptGrackSparrow
Profile Joined February 2011
United States278 Posts
December 20 2011 19:11 GMT
#1677
#4 looks like darkforce to me
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
December 20 2011 19:14 GMT
#1678
[image loading]
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
December 20 2011 19:15 GMT
#1679
On December 21 2011 04:08 OMGKEI wrote:
#1 MC?
Edit: 90% sure thats him after comparing with the main picture in his fanclub

God I hope it is MC.
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
December 20 2011 19:18 GMT
#1680
On December 21 2011 03:49 ngri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 03:36 McFeser wrote:
Is that Jinro on the fifth picture, a korean on the sixth picture, and . .. I don't know. I am bad at these sort of things.


Pff these are much harder...

I actually thought #5 is Thorzain =/

Edit: Is #1 even a face!?

Yeah, it's probably Thorzain and #3 is IdrA? And I'm getting this really wierd vibe that #1 or #6 is a particularly awesome player from IM who is slumping right now. That might just be wishful thinking.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
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