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On December 05 2011 21:06 dormer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 21:03 woobsauce wrote:
Khalador and Moletrap have ~0 teamwork/coordination casting tonight. Both of em seem like they'd be happier casting on their own.. Really? I like them together, they had some really good moments tonight too, I thought -- Moletrap making Khaldor laugh hysterically ("Drag Queen of Blades," was it?) was really nice.
Same. I think it has to do with them being the 'older' GSL casters. You could kind of get the feeling that Tasteless and Artosis hang out with Wolf quite a bit but not so much Moletrap.
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On December 05 2011 21:07 hitpoint wrote:
A little bit off topic but does anyone know when Idra and Demuslim will be in the up and down matches? Is it this GSL or the next one?
GSL December
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yeah 3/4 LB. Sad that Losira is going to up and down.... more Z in code S please!
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wonderful match-ups tomorrow, can't wait!
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On December 05 2011 21:08 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 21:07 hitpoint wrote:
A little bit off topic but does anyone know when Idra and Demuslim will be in the up and down matches? Is it this GSL or the next one? GSL December
There is no GSL December...
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On December 05 2011 21:08 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 21:07 hitpoint wrote:
A little bit off topic but does anyone know when Idra and Demuslim will be in the up and down matches? Is it this GSL or the next one? GSL December
xD. There's no GSL December. They should be in the up and downs.
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On December 05 2011 21:08 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 21:07 hitpoint wrote:
A little bit off topic but does anyone know when Idra and Demuslim will be in the up and down matches? Is it this GSL or the next one? GSL December
Thanks.
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On December 05 2011 21:08 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 21:07 hitpoint wrote:
A little bit off topic but does anyone know when Idra and Demuslim will be in the up and down matches? Is it this GSL or the next one? GSL December
There is no GSL December I think ? Imo they'll play in the next up and downs, but I'm not 100%.
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Wow such a good day for GSL. Can't wait to rewatch MC and Brown's sets again.
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But Brown was smart to play very aggressively on dual sight. The only 2 protoss vs zerg wins I can remember on this map in GSL are this one and the 4 gates (vs Losira too)...was it from Genius or Hongun ?
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On December 05 2011 21:09 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 21:08 Seeker wrote:On December 05 2011 21:07 hitpoint wrote:
A little bit off topic but does anyone know when Idra and Demuslim will be in the up and down matches? Is it this GSL or the next one? GSL December There is no GSL December...
Well.... nvm then....
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On December 05 2011 21:10 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 21:08 Seeker wrote:On December 05 2011 21:07 hitpoint wrote:
A little bit off topic but does anyone know when Idra and Demuslim will be in the up and down matches? Is it this GSL or the next one? GSL December Thanks.
Nvm, don't listen to me I'm stupid
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On December 05 2011 21:11 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 21:09 Asha` wrote:On December 05 2011 21:08 Seeker wrote:On December 05 2011 21:07 hitpoint wrote:
A little bit off topic but does anyone know when Idra and Demuslim will be in the up and down matches? Is it this GSL or the next one? GSL December There is no GSL December... Well.... nvm then....
GSL January  The blizzard cup is december's event so to speak.
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Thought they were playing in the Up-and-Down, not the next one
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Nice job by brown. Someone mentioned upthread about his match getting pushed back because he had an exam, so he probably is pretty young. Loving the up and coming talent in SC2.
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Everyone's probably left by now, but a few more details on voids vs. corruptors. I assume upgrades are 0/0 for both players for simplicity. Once voids are charged (which will happen very quickly in a corrupter/void ray battle), they will do 23.3 dps to a corrupter, whilst the corruptors do 7.4 dps, which we bump up to 8.9 dps assuming the voids are corrupted. So already you see there is a huge difference. Now consider that voids have more health than corrupters, so one corrupter takes about 28.1 seconds to kill a void, whilst a charged void takes about 8.6 seconds to kill a corruptor. That is, void rays take our corruptors about 3.3 times faster than corruptors take our void rays, so you'll need AT LEAST 4 times the number of voids in corruptors to make it even. (You need a lot more since quickly the voids will start killing off corruptors and the DPS of the corruptor army will go down, whilst the first void rays will take longer to fall. Testing in map editor would really be needed to work out the exact numbers.) Now think that in terms of supply, a void ray is only 1.5 the worth of a corruptor. So if the opponent has any decent number of voids they will completely rape the corruptor army unless you have an absurd (and useless) amount of corrupters.
Point is corruptors are terrible. It's a pity that the only other zerg anti-air option (hydras) are even more terrible.
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On December 05 2011 21:11 MrCon wrote:
But Brown was smart to play very aggressively on dual sight. The only 2 protoss vs zerg wins I can remember on this map in GSL are this one and the 4 gates (vs Losira too)...was it from Genius or Hongun ?
It was genius and it was another one of Losira's brainfart days. Seems like there are very little all round consistent players. Maybe only MVP :D
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On December 05 2011 21:15 Alric wrote:
Everyone's probably left by now, but a few more details on voids vs. corruptors. I assume upgrades are 0/0 for both players for simplicity. Once voids are charged (which will happen very quickly in a corrupter/void ray battle), they will do 23.3 dps to a corrupter, whilst the corruptors do 7.4 dps, which we bump up to 8.9 dps assuming the voids are corrupted. So already you see there is a huge difference. Now consider that voids have more health than corrupters, so one corrupter takes about 28.1 seconds to kill a void, whilst a charged void takes about 8.6 seconds to kill a corruptor. That is, void rays take our corruptors about 3.3 times faster than corruptors take our void rays, so you'll need AT LEAST 4 times the number of voids in corruptors to make it even. (You need a lot more since quickly the voids will start killing off corruptors and the DPS of the corruptor army will go down, whilst the first void rays will take longer to fall. Testing in map editor would really be needed to work out the exact numbers.) Now think that in terms of supply, a void ray is only 1.5 the worth of a corruptor. So if the opponent has any decent number of voids they will completely rape the corruptor army unless you have an absurd (and useless) amount of corrupters.
Point is corruptors are terrible. It's a pity that the only other zerg anti-air option (hydras) are even more terrible.
Are you factoring the 2 starting armor of the corrupters? I agree that they are terrible, but they don't seem quite that terrible.
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On December 05 2011 21:15 Alric wrote:
Everyone's probably left by now, but a few more details on voids vs. corruptors. I assume upgrades are 0/0 for both players for simplicity. Once voids are charged (which will happen very quickly in a corrupter/void ray battle), they will do 23.3 dps to a corrupter, whilst the corruptors do 7.4 dps, which we bump up to 8.9 dps assuming the voids are corrupted. So already you see there is a huge difference. Now consider that voids have more health than corrupters, so one corrupter takes about 28.1 seconds to kill a void, whilst a charged void takes about 8.6 seconds to kill a corruptor. That is, void rays take our corruptors about 3.3 times faster than corruptors take our void rays, so you'll need AT LEAST 4 times the number of voids in corruptors to make it even. (You need a lot more since quickly the voids will start killing off corruptors and the DPS of the corruptor army will go down, whilst the first void rays will take longer to fall. Testing in map editor would really be needed to work out the exact numbers.) Now think that in terms of supply, a void ray is only 1.5 the worth of a corruptor. So if the opponent has any decent number of voids they will completely rape the corruptor army unless you have an absurd (and useless) amount of corrupters.
Point is corruptors are terrible. It's a pity that the only other zerg anti-air option (hydras) are even more terrible.
Thats why i think zergs shouldn't let protoss macro up uncontested whole game and do stuff like mutalisk harass, roach aggression to deny early 3rd bases instead of just getting as many broodlords as possible then losing to a stronger 200/200 army.
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On December 05 2011 21:15 Alric wrote:
Everyone's probably left by now, but a few more details on voids vs. corruptors. I assume upgrades are 0/0 for both players for simplicity. Once voids are charged (which will happen very quickly in a corrupter/void ray battle), they will do 23.3 dps to a corrupter, whilst the corruptors do 7.4 dps, which we bump up to 8.9 dps assuming the voids are corrupted. So already you see there is a huge difference. Now consider that voids have more health than corrupters, so one corrupter takes about 28.1 seconds to kill a void, whilst a charged void takes about 8.6 seconds to kill a corruptor. That is, void rays take our corruptors about 3.3 times faster than corruptors take our void rays, so you'll need AT LEAST 4 times the number of voids in corruptors to make it even. (You need a lot more since quickly the voids will start killing off corruptors and the DPS of the corruptor army will go down, whilst the first void rays will take longer to fall. Testing in map editor would really be needed to work out the exact numbers.) Now think that in terms of supply, a void ray is only 1.5 the worth of a corruptor. So if the opponent has any decent number of voids they will completely rape the corruptor army unless you have an absurd (and useless) amount of corrupters.
Point is corruptors are terrible. It's a pity that the only other zerg anti-air option (hydras) are even more terrible.
I think Fungal is pretty good Anti-air
Voidray switches are just really expensive and you can get "outswarmed" by corrupters. I still agree that zerg aa is kinda meh though but the problem is the nature of zerg. If zerg had a really good aa unit airplay would be useless against zerg since they could mass produce good aa instantly. The corruptor is bad but you can produce 10 at a time if you see air.
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