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Anyone who continues this absolutely terrible off topic time of play debate from page 11 and onward will be banned.

The same goes for the regular crowd of:

-Balance whiners
-Stream whiners
-Event and caster bashers
-HoN vs LoL vs Dota debaters

Stick to the games and enjoy your free event.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 05:29:26
December 05 2011 05:29 GMT
#3221
HERO! HERO! HERO! HERO! Damn work! I wanted to be there so bad! Hero fighting!!!!

I would be very interested in seeing how many of my posts are at the top of pages/at the very bottom haha
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
December 05 2011 05:29 GMT
#3222
needed more scvs
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
December 05 2011 05:29 GMT
#3223
kill the factory, x2 robo for colossus!!!
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
December 05 2011 05:29 GMT
#3224
hero very ahead now
game 6 inc
133 221 333 123 111
MrKn4rz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2153 Posts
December 05 2011 05:29 GMT
#3225
Terrans! Its your turn to whine (about forcefields).
"We don't take kindly to folks who don't take kindly around here..."
growl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States203 Posts
December 05 2011 05:29 GMT
#3226
Ouch awful result from Puma's push. I feel like he fell behind a lot after hero did that 4 gateway follow up to the fast expand
Clamev
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany498 Posts
December 05 2011 05:29 GMT
#3227
I almost screamed out loud at 6:30am here ^^
6Pool or die trying
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
December 05 2011 05:29 GMT
#3228
As a masters protoss, I find pvt to be one of the funner options; protoss really has a lot of options. That said, theirs a lot of truly retarded shit terran can do. I remember Ret saying something similar about ZvT on sotg - terran can just do so much shit that requires a variety of responses. Puma's TvP won't be as good as Hero's PvT eventually. Puma's TvP is about hoping your opponent makes a mistake, whereas Hero's pvt is about scouting adapting and having faith in yourself to have good macro/micro and decision making.

Hard to enjoy games as a spectator when puma just pulls scvs every game too.
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 05:31:46
December 05 2011 05:29 GMT
#3229
On December 05 2011 14:27 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 14:27 dAPhREAk wrote:
On December 05 2011 14:26 Slike wrote:
Hey yo guys just woke up! Assuming by the posts here , Puma is winning with all-ins?

Good thing Ill catch at least 1 game

no. he is not actually.


Everyone has to go all in at one point or the games would never end.


I have problems with that statement. A RTS game should never be built around such things to that degree and it's false. All-ins are part of the game, but not everything is black and white.
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
December 05 2011 05:29 GMT
#3230
HerO playing SO WELL. :3
Original exxo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States257 Posts
December 05 2011 05:29 GMT
#3231
Lolpuma, a timing attack dosent work?
GOGO HERO!!!
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
December 05 2011 05:29 GMT
#3232
Hero should try and hit him as soon as 3-3 finishes.
SpectralFremen
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia386 Posts
December 05 2011 05:29 GMT
#3233
LOVING the heavy upgrade play.
"And so he spoke, and so he spoke, that lord of Castamere"
NaldoR
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore2198 Posts
December 05 2011 05:29 GMT
#3234
This game shows the might of hero... But this dies to the ghost push..
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
December 05 2011 05:29 GMT
#3235
I actually like the Archon being able to stomp forcefields...maybe Blizzard did something right for once.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
itsjuspeter
Profile Joined November 2010
United States668 Posts
December 05 2011 05:29 GMT
#3236
On December 05 2011 14:28 MountainGoat wrote:
LOL at the people who are saying that terran is OP and Puma is abusive. How did Hero win Dreamhack then? Everyone said the 1-1-1 was unbeatable and imba until Hero crushed it at DHW11.


Puma opened 1-1-1 Mind games into Expo, Hero Expo'd anyway so it became macro games within even footing, i dont like aggressive posts like this -_-
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
December 05 2011 05:29 GMT
#3237
On December 05 2011 14:29 Neeh wrote:
z.z more scv pushes, is that all he knows?

Macro game please!


he pulled 6 scvs to tank chargelots

It's metagame not allin dude. seriously.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
December 05 2011 05:29 GMT
#3238
On December 05 2011 14:24 itsjuspeter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 14:21 Tewks44 wrote:
On December 05 2011 14:20 taLbuk wrote:
puma wins = terran op
hero wins = omg hero next bonjwa best protoss player mini bisu

give credit where credit is due, these games are awsome and both players are playing pretty good, whoever wins this deserves it.


I think most of the rage is because Puma can pull half of his SCVs for an offensive advantage and then micro around Hero's base for 2-3 mins without any serious economic penalty.


^This, many people can understand this simple logic, Why the mule was introduced is just unexplainable, id of much preferred some sort of dbl scv making at a +X more seconds as economic boost instead of a no supply, 50 energy, income of 370 minerals mule.


This would:
1) Less scv pulling all ins.
2) 1-1-1 openings become extremely weaker
3) Less rage from fans


The reason the MULE is introduced is without it Terran is behind on income in the early game, Z can make a worker every 15 seconds, P every 11.111 with chrono T without MULE... 17
@followMVT
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
December 05 2011 05:30 GMT
#3239
Hero should take a fourth, oh he is. AWESOME
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
R!!
Profile Joined November 2011
Brazil938 Posts
December 05 2011 05:30 GMT
#3240
On December 05 2011 14:26 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 14:24 mierin wrote:
On December 05 2011 14:22 MuseMike wrote:
On December 05 2011 14:20 mvtaylor wrote:
On December 05 2011 14:17 HinagikUx wrote:
On December 05 2011 14:15 Darclite wrote:
Guys it's just that Puma is so good, I mean look how he plans ahead by building 4 banshees from one starport at the same time. And that was so smart to stop and snipe the assimilators at Hero's main instead of making sure he could win.

i lol'd...he queued banshees cuz his macro is shit and he relys on cheesy shenanigans like hidden starport or hidden ghost rush to win lol


On December 05 2011 14:14 Hopelessnoob wrote:
This is so dumb,,, no one can win base race vs terran


On December 05 2011 14:17 MuseMike wrote:
On December 05 2011 14:16 0neder wrote:
Great game, but it pisses me off that Puma can get away with this and still win. This is what turns me off to PvT. Puma can be not mining for minutes at a time and still win. Shouldn't protoss be the race where 1 of a unit like the banshee is deadly, rather than Terran?

Puma does this every PvT. He never wins macro games and only wins when he does a 111, 311, marine scv all in or a ghost timing.



On December 05 2011 14:18 Original exxo wrote:
Lol, 2 base timing
what else is new with puma


the uniformed and utterly biased rage is strong in this thread i see

Maybe you haven't seen Puma play PvT, but any time Puma wins money at any tournament its the same builds over and over and never any macro games he wins.


As an angry BW fan, PvT just isn't a good matchup in SC2 at this moment. TvZ is the only one that's really evolved into something resembling the glory of the old days IMO.

Well put. ZvT is great, but PvT still lacks something if Terran fully abuses ghosts and bio. I just don't understand why Blizzard is ruining PvT all in the name of bio being viable in TvT. It's not like we see mech very often anyway, so why not in TvT?
Yes, only lacks if terran abuses ghosts and bio, mass chargealots(75% of any late game protoss army) is totally fine and requires a lot of skill, more bias please.
I like the part where sense is considered a common, settled thing.
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