Before he made ultras he had a big advantage (thanks to his finally successful muta harrass that killed lots of probes + underpowered gateways), but as soon as he engaged with his ultra baneling ling infestor composition the supplies equalised and nerchio had to lose a lot of probes to defend an expansion against mana's counterattack. He won despite ultras, not because of them. Ultras in general are pretty bad, but the zealot archon immortal templar composition perfectly counters ultras (even the ultra ling infestor composition). If mana wasn't so far behind his composition would have destroyed nerchio, as it almost did.

A Protoss army is all about the perfect counters, because otherwise it would be overpowered everytime by the sheer numbers of Zerg forces. Immortals are not only excellent VS Ultras, but also, and much more commonly known VS Roaches. When Nerchio switched to Ultras, Manas army was still based on Stalkers - it later switched to Archons & Immortals because the Immortals were mostly left-overs from previous fights and minerals were low, which favours Templar-play.

I don't really like Ultras since I often fail to use them really effectively when I use them and am looking forward to the HotS-update for them, but I also think that people are prone to jumping the Destiny-bandwagon whilst saying they completely suck. Situational, they're good units and I think in the Nerchio VS Mana game they were used correctly.

Pippi

Sweden540 Posts

November 26 2011 12:51 GMT

#1646

On November 26 2011 21:49 Corwintt wrote:
protoss manged to beat only... other protoss...
hehe, deja vu

Hero playing HvZ obviously?

Topdoller

United Kingdom3860 Posts

November 26 2011 12:51 GMT

#1647

On November 26 2011 21:49 Vira wrote:
10 protoss in ro16 and only 3 manage to go in ro8, and 2 of them by winning a pvp, lol.

Dont whine about balance , I just watched a Nerchio punish a Protoss for fast expanding on Dual Sight. I think some rotosses are playing way too greedy recently

plutonowy

Afghanistan287 Posts

November 26 2011 12:51 GMT

#1648

nerchio gona take it all
call it now
1st
GL!

Tarotis

Germany1931 Posts

November 26 2011 12:51 GMT

#1649

On November 26 2011 21:50 MasterKush wrote:
Mr.Bitter must be banned from the internet for balance whines!!!

Haha, he actually plays zerg :D

Zzoram

Canada7115 Posts

November 26 2011 12:51 GMT

#1650

Where are TLO and Sheth casting? I can't find a working stream with them

VoirDire

Sweden1923 Posts

November 26 2011 12:51 GMT

#1651

On November 26 2011 21:49 Talin wrote:

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Oh man that doesn't bode well for Ret.

And needless to say Nerchio's ZvZ is actually insane.

Why Mana why...

Rets zvz is pretty damn good too. I think it's his best MU.

Warrior Madness

Canada3791 Posts

November 26 2011 12:51 GMT

#1652

There's a good chance that it'll be a Nerchio vs DRG finals.

StarVe

Germany13591 Posts

November 26 2011 12:51 GMT

#1653

Hm, usually Nerchio's ZvZ is way better than Ret's. I hope it still is today, rooting for Nerchio to take the whole thing. :D

hifriend

China7935 Posts

November 26 2011 12:52 GMT

#1654

On November 26 2011 21:51 Dodgin wrote:

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That's because HerO is the sickest protoss nerd baller.

Until he has to face a good protoss or terran and goes crashing and burning.

Romitelli

Brunei Darussalam566 Posts

November 26 2011 12:52 GMT

#1655

What build/strat did Naniwa do to win against DRG in the first set?

Tarotis

Germany1931 Posts

November 26 2011 12:52 GMT

#1656

On November 26 2011 21:51 Topdoller wrote:

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Dont whine about balance , I just watched a Nerchio punish a Protoss for fast expanding on Dual Sight. I think some rotosses are playing way too greedy recently

FFE greedy? And early hatch isnt? You cant play 1gate expo as a protoss, either ffe or 3gate pressure into expo or else you are far far behind