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sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
November 26 2011 12:50 GMT
#1641
On November 26 2011 21:49 bubl100500 wrote:
And despite 10 protosses in ro16, 2 terrans 3 zergs and 3 protosses in ro8. So everything is fine!!!


thank god - the terran QQ yesterday was beyond annoying
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
November 26 2011 12:50 GMT
#1642
On November 26 2011 21:49 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 21:48 ComusLoM wrote:
Crap that means Ret has to survive a ZvZ.


Oh man that doesn't bode well for Ret.

And needless to say Nerchio's ZvZ is actually insane.

Why Mana why...

I'm sure Mana feels terrible for Ret that he got crushed by Nerchio.........
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
November 26 2011 12:51 GMT
#1643
10 protoss to 3 protoss in ro8

lol
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 26 2011 12:51 GMT
#1644
On November 26 2011 21:50 Kimla wrote:
10 to 3 protoss and only 1 of them goes to round of 8 without playing pvp lol :D


That's because HerO is the sickest protoss nerd baller.
mongojazZ
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany43 Posts
November 26 2011 12:51 GMT
#1645
On November 26 2011 21:40 Alric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 21:35 mongojazZ wrote:
On November 26 2011 21:31 Alric wrote:
Nerchio really deserves to lose. Even though he got really far ahead with great play, making ultras is BEGGING to lose. Witness how he turned a huge advantage into almost losing. I hope he keeps making ultras and gets crushed like he deserves.


I think you're completely wrong. Nerchio used the Ultras as they're supposed to be used. Not building 10 of them and blocking himself off, but throwing 3-4 in the mix. They're still pretty horrible VS Immortals, but paired with Zerglings they're excellent VS Blink Stalkers. Throw in some nice fungals and it's a valid army composition.

Before he made ultras he had a big advantage (thanks to his finally successful muta harrass that killed lots of probes + underpowered gateways), but as soon as he engaged with his ultra baneling ling infestor composition the supplies equalised and nerchio had to lose a lot of probes to defend an expansion against mana's counterattack. He won despite ultras, not because of them. Ultras in general are pretty bad, but the zealot archon immortal templar composition perfectly counters ultras (even the ultra ling infestor composition). If mana wasn't so far behind his composition would have destroyed nerchio, as it almost did.


A Protoss army is all about the perfect counters, because otherwise it would be overpowered everytime by the sheer numbers of Zerg forces. Immortals are not only excellent VS Ultras, but also, and much more commonly known VS Roaches. When Nerchio switched to Ultras, Manas army was still based on Stalkers - it later switched to Archons & Immortals because the Immortals were mostly left-overs from previous fights and minerals were low, which favours Templar-play.

I don't really like Ultras since I often fail to use them really effectively when I use them and am looking forward to the HotS-update for them, but I also think that people are prone to jumping the Destiny-bandwagon whilst saying they completely suck. Situational, they're good units and I think in the Nerchio VS Mana game they were used correctly.
Nothing is more fairly distributed than common sense: no one thinks he needs more of it than he already has.
Pippi
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden540 Posts
November 26 2011 12:51 GMT
#1646
On November 26 2011 21:49 Corwintt wrote:
protoss manged to beat only... other protoss...
hehe, deja vu


Hero playing HvZ obviously?
Toast and coffe
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
November 26 2011 12:51 GMT
#1647
On November 26 2011 21:49 Vira wrote:
10 protoss in ro16 and only 3 manage to go in ro8, and 2 of them by winning a pvp, lol.



Dont whine about balance , I just watched a Nerchio punish a Protoss for fast expanding on Dual Sight. I think some rotosses are playing way too greedy recently
plutonowy
Profile Joined August 2011
Afghanistan287 Posts
November 26 2011 12:51 GMT
#1648
nerchio gona take it all
call it now
1st
GL!
Fan of gomtv code s. Best SC2. KR >>>ALL Tasteless + Artosis >>>ALL
Tarotis
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany1931 Posts
November 26 2011 12:51 GMT
#1649
On November 26 2011 21:50 MasterKush wrote:
Mr.Bitter must be banned from the internet for balance whines!!!

Haha, he actually plays zerg :D
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
November 26 2011 12:51 GMT
#1650
Where are TLO and Sheth casting? I can't find a working stream with them
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
November 26 2011 12:51 GMT
#1651
On November 26 2011 21:49 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 21:48 ComusLoM wrote:
Crap that means Ret has to survive a ZvZ.


Oh man that doesn't bode well for Ret.

And needless to say Nerchio's ZvZ is actually insane.

Why Mana why...

Rets zvz is pretty damn good too. I think it's his best MU.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
November 26 2011 12:51 GMT
#1652
There's a good chance that it'll be a Nerchio vs DRG finals.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
November 26 2011 12:51 GMT
#1653
Hm, usually Nerchio's ZvZ is way better than Ret's. I hope it still is today, rooting for Nerchio to take the whole thing. :D
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 12:52:48
November 26 2011 12:52 GMT
#1654
On November 26 2011 21:51 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 21:50 Kimla wrote:
10 to 3 protoss and only 1 of them goes to round of 8 without playing pvp lol :D


That's because HerO is the sickest protoss nerd baller.

Until he has to face a good protoss or terran and goes crashing and burning.
Romitelli
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Brunei Darussalam566 Posts
November 26 2011 12:52 GMT
#1655
What build/strat did Naniwa do to win against DRG in the first set?
Zed's dead, baby, Zed's dead.
Tarotis
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany1931 Posts
November 26 2011 12:52 GMT
#1656
On November 26 2011 21:51 Topdoller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 21:49 Vira wrote:
10 protoss in ro16 and only 3 manage to go in ro8, and 2 of them by winning a pvp, lol.



Dont whine about balance , I just watched a Nerchio punish a Protoss for fast expanding on Dual Sight. I think some rotosses are playing way too greedy recently

FFE greedy? And early hatch isnt? You cant play 1gate expo as a protoss, either ffe or 3gate pressure into expo or else you are far far behind
Phenrock
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom132 Posts
November 26 2011 12:52 GMT
#1657
Damn the better players out of Bo3 got through.... it's so imbalanced...
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
November 26 2011 12:52 GMT
#1658
On November 26 2011 21:51 Pippi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 21:49 Corwintt wrote:
protoss manged to beat only... other protoss...
hehe, deja vu


Hero playing HvZ obviously?

hahahha xD
yo
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
November 26 2011 12:52 GMT
#1659
On November 26 2011 21:50 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 21:49 bubl100500 wrote:
And despite 10 protosses in ro16, 2 terrans 3 zergs and 3 protosses in ro8. So everything is fine!!!


thank god - the terran QQ yesterday was beyond annoying


All QQ is beyond annoying -.-
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
November 26 2011 12:52 GMT
#1660
Nerchio easily destroyed Ret in Battle of Berlin not too long ago.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
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