On November 26 2011 21:31 Alric wrote: Nerchio really deserves to lose. Even though he got really far ahead with great play, making ultras is BEGGING to lose. Witness how he turned a huge advantage into almost losing. I hope he keeps making ultras and gets crushed like he deserves.
I think you're completely wrong. Nerchio used the Ultras as they're supposed to be used. Not building 10 of them and blocking himself off, but throwing 3-4 in the mix. They're still pretty horrible VS Immortals, but paired with Zerglings they're excellent VS Blink Stalkers. Throw in some nice fungals and it's a valid army composition.
Before he made ultras he had a big advantage (thanks to his finally successful muta harrass that killed lots of probes + underpowered gateways), but as soon as he engaged with his ultra baneling ling infestor composition the supplies equalised and nerchio had to lose a lot of probes to defend an expansion against mana's counterattack. He won despite ultras, not because of them. Ultras in general are pretty bad, but the zealot archon immortal templar composition perfectly counters ultras (even the ultra ling infestor composition). If mana wasn't so far behind his composition would have destroyed nerchio, as it almost did.
A Protoss army is all about the perfect counters, because otherwise it would be overpowered everytime by the sheer numbers of Zerg forces. Immortals are not only excellent VS Ultras, but also, and much more commonly known VS Roaches. When Nerchio switched to Ultras, Manas army was still based on Stalkers - it later switched to Archons & Immortals because the Immortals were mostly left-overs from previous fights and minerals were low, which favours Templar-play.
I don't really like Ultras since I often fail to use them really effectively when I use them and am looking forward to the HotS-update for them, but I also think that people are prone to jumping the Destiny-bandwagon whilst saying they completely suck. Situational, they're good units and I think in the Nerchio VS Mana game they were used correctly.
On November 26 2011 21:49 Vira wrote: 10 protoss in ro16 and only 3 manage to go in ro8, and 2 of them by winning a pvp, lol.
Dont whine about balance , I just watched a Nerchio punish a Protoss for fast expanding on Dual Sight. I think some rotosses are playing way too greedy recently
On November 26 2011 21:49 Vira wrote: 10 protoss in ro16 and only 3 manage to go in ro8, and 2 of them by winning a pvp, lol.
Dont whine about balance , I just watched a Nerchio punish a Protoss for fast expanding on Dual Sight. I think some rotosses are playing way too greedy recently
FFE greedy? And early hatch isnt? You cant play 1gate expo as a protoss, either ffe or 3gate pressure into expo or else you are far far behind