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exarchrum
Profile Joined August 2010
United States491 Posts
November 26 2011 03:06 GMT
#61
On November 26 2011 11:56 s3183529 wrote:
What is up with all the Korean paired against each other early? I see this happening in many foreign tournaments

random draw
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wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
November 26 2011 03:07 GMT
#62
On November 26 2011 12:04 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 11:26 Corvi wrote:
On November 26 2011 11:04 SilverforceX wrote:
So.. terran really does have a higher skill cap.

Good Protoss/Zerg > Good Terran
Top Terran > Top Protoss/Zerg

??


and i guy known for scv allins is top terran or what. also puma couldnt have gotten it any worse in his bracket. another tourney looking really grim for terran fans. times sure change, when only few months ago we had mass tvt finals everywhere.

It's always been like this outside Korea. GSL and a few MLGs with Korean Terrans are the only place Terran wins, and even in the last couple MLGs we've had non-Terran winners.


Korean terrans are just way way way way better than any other foreign terran.
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
November 26 2011 03:08 GMT
#63
On November 26 2011 10:46 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 09:33 red4ce wrote:
Hopefully we'll get some good games now that we're in the Ro16. Day 2 was so bad.

White-Ra>Naama
Nightend<Sase
DRG<Naniwa
Puma>Genius
Seiplo<Huk
Sheth<Hero
Nerchio>Mana
ret>ToD

White-Ra>Sase
Naniwa<Puma
Huk>Hero
Nerchio>Ret

White-Ra<Puma
Huk<Nerchio

Puma>Nerchio

I definitely don't think PuMa can beat Genius, but most of these predictions seem likely.

You don't think Puma, known for his great TvP and just took out huk in macro games, wont beat genius, who has been less than impressive in recent months?
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akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
November 26 2011 03:10 GMT
#64
On November 26 2011 12:07 wklbishop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 12:04 forsooth wrote:
On November 26 2011 11:26 Corvi wrote:
On November 26 2011 11:04 SilverforceX wrote:
So.. terran really does have a higher skill cap.

Good Protoss/Zerg > Good Terran
Top Terran > Top Protoss/Zerg

??


and i guy known for scv allins is top terran or what. also puma couldnt have gotten it any worse in his bracket. another tourney looking really grim for terran fans. times sure change, when only few months ago we had mass tvt finals everywhere.

It's always been like this outside Korea. GSL and a few MLGs with Korean Terrans are the only place Terran wins, and even in the last couple MLGs we've had non-Terran winners.


Korean terrans are just way way way way better than any other foreign terran.


toss has been dominating everything except for code s. it's only at the top of code s where terrans do well (maybe the top 3-5 terrans), and it doesn't seem so as of late. maybe they are just good, not because terran is imbalanced? seeing as how they also have stellar winrates in every other matchup.
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
November 26 2011 03:18 GMT
#65
On November 26 2011 12:06 exarchrum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 11:56 s3183529 wrote:
What is up with all the Korean paired against each other early? I see this happening in many foreign tournaments

random draw

you mean "random draw"?
its me
RxBorG
Profile Joined July 2010
United States505 Posts
November 26 2011 03:26 GMT
#66
10 Protoss vs 6 of the other two races hahaha I wonder why that is, are foreign Protoss the foreign version of the Korean Terran?
[QUOTE][B]On June 27 2011 03:31 insult wrote:[/B] Haypro hasn't been doing well lately, but when he's in good form he's definitely among the top 10 swedish zerg players. [b][red]User was temp banned for this post.[/red][/b][/QUOTE]
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
November 26 2011 03:27 GMT
#67
Cheering for DRG to win it all! Hopefully, he gets his revenge on naniwa. Leenock showed the way to beat him, so hopefully drg was paying attention.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
November 26 2011 03:30 GMT
#68
On November 26 2011 12:10 akalarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 12:07 wklbishop wrote:
On November 26 2011 12:04 forsooth wrote:
On November 26 2011 11:26 Corvi wrote:
On November 26 2011 11:04 SilverforceX wrote:
So.. terran really does have a higher skill cap.

Good Protoss/Zerg > Good Terran
Top Terran > Top Protoss/Zerg

??


and i guy known for scv allins is top terran or what. also puma couldnt have gotten it any worse in his bracket. another tourney looking really grim for terran fans. times sure change, when only few months ago we had mass tvt finals everywhere.

It's always been like this outside Korea. GSL and a few MLGs with Korean Terrans are the only place Terran wins, and even in the last couple MLGs we've had non-Terran winners.


Korean terrans are just way way way way better than any other foreign terran.


toss has been dominating everything except for code s. it's only at the top of code s where terrans do well (maybe the top 3-5 terrans), and it doesn't seem so as of late. maybe they are just good, not because terran is imbalanced? seeing as how they also have stellar winrates in every other matchup.

I've been preaching this for a while now. Terran is not nor has it been imbalanced, it's merely been a case in Code S of a few elite Terrans who were actually just that much better than everyone else making it look like Terran was too strong. Nowhere else, even in Code A or GSTL, has Terran been dominant. People just like to blame everything but themselves for their struggles, which is the exact opposite of the mindset you should have when gaming competitively. Always blame yourself when you lose, and then look for ways to fix what you did wrong. You'll develop a safer, more conservative style of play with a better sense of when you can take risks and suddenly you'll find that the game wasn't imbalanced, you were just crying because the other player wasn't letting you get away with stuff you shouldn't expect to get away with every time.
Lavi
Profile Joined November 2011
Bangladesh793 Posts
November 26 2011 03:31 GMT
#69
On November 26 2011 12:07 wklbishop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 12:04 forsooth wrote:
On November 26 2011 11:26 Corvi wrote:
On November 26 2011 11:04 SilverforceX wrote:
So.. terran really does have a higher skill cap.

Good Protoss/Zerg > Good Terran
Top Terran > Top Protoss/Zerg

??


and i guy known for scv allins is top terran or what. also puma couldnt have gotten it any worse in his bracket. another tourney looking really grim for terran fans. times sure change, when only few months ago we had mass tvt finals everywhere.

It's always been like this outside Korea. GSL and a few MLGs with Korean Terrans are the only place Terran wins, and even in the last couple MLGs we've had non-Terran winners.


Korean terrans are just way way way way better than any other foreign terran.


Pretty much... but seems blizzard balanced terran because of korean terrans to the point where even they are doing poorly (recent Gsl, providence, and 10 protoss 2 terran 4 zerg left for dreamhack)
This is very bad news for foreign terran, and ladder where protoss and zerg has always dominated.
I kind of feel the korean terran in GSL was a bubble though based on how easy it was to remain in Code-S until now (Ensnare) and the type of maps they had, and it was a bit jumping the gun on balancing.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 03:37:34
November 26 2011 03:36 GMT
#70
On November 26 2011 12:31 Lavi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 12:07 wklbishop wrote:
On November 26 2011 12:04 forsooth wrote:
On November 26 2011 11:26 Corvi wrote:
On November 26 2011 11:04 SilverforceX wrote:
So.. terran really does have a higher skill cap.

Good Protoss/Zerg > Good Terran
Top Terran > Top Protoss/Zerg

??


and i guy known for scv allins is top terran or what. also puma couldnt have gotten it any worse in his bracket. another tourney looking really grim for terran fans. times sure change, when only few months ago we had mass tvt finals everywhere.

It's always been like this outside Korea. GSL and a few MLGs with Korean Terrans are the only place Terran wins, and even in the last couple MLGs we've had non-Terran winners.


Korean terrans are just way way way way better than any other foreign terran.


Pretty much... but seems blizzard balanced terran because of korean terrans to the point where even they are doing poorly (recent Gsl, providence, and 10 protoss 2 terran 4 zerg left for dreamhack)
This is very bad news for foreign terran, and ladder where protoss and zerg has always dominated.
I kind of feel the korean terran in GSL was a bubble though based on how easy it was to remain in Code-S until now (Ensnare) and the type of maps they had, and it was a bit jumping the gun on balancing.


I agree. A higher % of skill pro gamers in korea just chose terran to play, so it skewed the stats. It made terran look dominant when they weren't. The foreign scene has always had more top end toss/zerg players and korea is the only place in the world where terran looked dominant and that was just due to the skill level of the kr terran players, not the race.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
s3183529
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia707 Posts
November 26 2011 03:36 GMT
#71
On November 26 2011 12:31 Lavi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 12:07 wklbishop wrote:
On November 26 2011 12:04 forsooth wrote:
On November 26 2011 11:26 Corvi wrote:
On November 26 2011 11:04 SilverforceX wrote:
So.. terran really does have a higher skill cap.

Good Protoss/Zerg > Good Terran
Top Terran > Top Protoss/Zerg

??


and i guy known for scv allins is top terran or what. also puma couldnt have gotten it any worse in his bracket. another tourney looking really grim for terran fans. times sure change, when only few months ago we had mass tvt finals everywhere.

It's always been like this outside Korea. GSL and a few MLGs with Korean Terrans are the only place Terran wins, and even in the last couple MLGs we've had non-Terran winners.


Korean terrans are just way way way way better than any other foreign terran.


Pretty much... but seems blizzard balanced terran because of korean terrans to the point where even they are doing poorly (recent Gsl, providence, and 10 protoss 2 terran 4 zerg left for dreamhack)
This is very bad news for foreign terran, and ladder where protoss and zerg has always dominated.
I kind of feel the korean terran in GSL was a bubble though based on how easy it was to remain in Code-S until now (Ensnare) and the type of maps they had, and it was a bit jumping the gun on balancing.

So true. Although I'm a Toss, I gotta agree that Terran get nerfed the most, they hardly have any significant buff, while the other races get some nerf but also some major buff. Blizz seems to do a worse job of balancing sc2 compared to BW. Still, BW is an expansion anyway, so I hope HOTS will improve balance more.
Sreka
Profile Joined May 2011
France114 Posts
November 26 2011 03:52 GMT
#72
DRG vs Naniwa rematch, so excited !
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
November 26 2011 03:59 GMT
#73
On November 26 2011 09:49 HystericaLaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 09:33 red4ce wrote:
Hopefully we'll get some good games now that we're in the Ro16. Day 2 was so bad.

White-Ra>Naama
Nightend<Sase
DRG<Naniwa
Puma>Genius
Seiplo<Huk
Sheth<Hero
Nerchio>Mana
ret>ToD

White-Ra>Sase
Naniwa<Puma
Huk>Hero
Nerchio>Ret

White-Ra<Puma
Huk<Nerchio

Puma>Nerchio


That is mostly how I see the tournament playing out, except I dont think White-Ra can beat Sase. Also if Nerchio beats Mana he will definately beat ret because his zvz is so strong, but he shouldn't beat huk.

I'd also be very surprised if Puma best nani after he got through DRG. I hope both Nani and Sase play well today. Nerchio is the player looking strongest that I've seen yet.
4649!!
Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
November 26 2011 04:05 GMT
#74
On November 26 2011 11:44 hasuterrans wrote:
So looking at the brackets for Ro16 we have:

10 protoss <---- what parallel universe did I just wake up in?
4 zerg
2 terran



Europe

EU is protoss, KR is terran, will NA become the land of the zerg?
mhe
Profile Joined September 2011
United States28 Posts
November 26 2011 04:07 GMT
#75
I hope to see a Huk vs Hero rematch!
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
November 26 2011 04:26 GMT
#76
Sheth and Hero really do not get a break from playing each other at every tournament. SDAFSAEDF.
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LeakyBucket
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada76 Posts
November 26 2011 04:29 GMT
#77
On November 26 2011 13:26 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Sheth and Hero really do not get a break from playing each other at every tournament. SDAFSAEDF.


I was just thinking the same thing after I saw Hero's group. Gulp.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
November 26 2011 04:42 GMT
#78
Oh good lord only 2 terrans? I'll be supporting them then. Go Puma & Naama!

And WTF happened to Kas?
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 04:49:16
November 26 2011 04:46 GMT
#79
So much balance whine. This topic is in for an extremely rough day.

Stop crying everyone. Thanks. ^_^

Also, I am going to watch the round of 16 and then actually be awake in time for the finals O_o quite odd. Glad DH goes as late as it does.
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WIllBIll
Profile Joined June 2011
590 Posts
November 26 2011 04:50 GMT
#80
Why you put my favourite players up against eachother? D: RAHHHHHHHHHrghhll
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